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OverratedOpinion said:
Greenwood was 19/20, Antony was 22/23. Again really not a world of difference.

I agree that Greenwood has more goals in him but it is just factually untrue that Antony doesn't offer a goal threat. 8 is decent for a young winger playing in his first season at the highest level. I wouldn't be shocked to see that end up being somewhere between 10 and 15 next season which is good for a winger.
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Greenwood also has already scored 18 in a season so yeah, there is a big difference in attacking output.
 
Buster15 said:
That is my view as well.
I keep reading that he should be put out on loan. But to be honest I am struggling to understand what that would achieve.
Is that magically going to stop him from getting jeered or criticised or booed or whatever. Football is international.
And if he is sent out on loan abroad, he will be on his own in a different country and environment with little or no actual support. And at the end of the loan period, all of the attention will start afresh.

Far better in my view for him to be reintroduced gradually here at OT where he has always been and in a place he knows and with all of the support he is going to need.
Yes of course it will be difficult for him and United for a period of time. But he is going to have to face up to all of that at some point anyway.
Just my opinion.
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Great post, completely agree
 
Very talented player...will not take him long to pick up from where he left off and we need goals to win games.
 
Anyone who was happy for Ronaldo to be re-signed (which from memory was most of our fans) should be happy to keep Mason in our team.

Not sure if we should keep him this season or put him out on loan and get him to prove his fitness/ form. A season loan with a half season break clause would be perfect.
 
Based on pure footballing matters, then of course he should be in the squad.

Based on outside stuff, he should be promoted to club ambassador. I'm joking! Jesus Christ, relax! What's wrong with you people??
 
there was a game against Leicester that he started as a striker and scored (I think it ended 1-1) - he looked fantastic in that game. Had a certain confidence about him being the main man

He was at his worst playing with Ronaldo...I think the mix of CR7 & Bruno complaining at him every time he shot (which at some point was everytime he had the ball) wasn't good for him...
 
Vidooq said:
I really hope he gets back to where he was before the complete ordeal. I just don't see it, as its too much of a break where he wasn't playing at top level, and I wonder how he will handle everything mentally. There will always be THAT question lurking around him.
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How he comes back mentally is the most important part.

He missed 1.5 years of development which is a lot, but many players have big injuries which means that they miss over a year. For example Shaw our Van Nistelrooy. So I think this part is less important than how will he be able to deal with the mental pressure and the fan abuse (we know how the songs from the opposition fans will be, and some portion of OT won’t support him).

Probably going to loan is the best for everyone. Atalanta gets a player that if he reaches the form of pre-incident is better than the one they are selling to us. Greenwood does not have much competition and can get back to fitness and form. United can see how he is dealing with the pressure and time cools everything off.
 
Buster15 said:
That is my view as well.
I keep reading that he should be put out on loan. But to be honest I am struggling to understand what that would achieve.
Is that magically going to stop him from getting jeered or criticised or booed or whatever. Football is international.
And if he is sent out on loan abroad, he will be on his own in a different country and environment with little or no actual support. And at the end of the loan period, all of the attention will start afresh.

Far better in my view for him to be reintroduced gradually here at OT where he has always been and in a place he knows and with all of the support he is going to need.
Yes of course it will be difficult for him and United for a period of time. But he is going to have to face up to all of that at some point anyway.
Just my opinion.
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The loan would give the player time to regain his playing form in a less hostile league. I seriously doubt mid-table Italian fans are saturated in the non-football side of things as fans in the English league are.

It would also allow ETH to go through the first part of the season with minimal disruption while the player regains his form elsewhere.
 
He's the most talented player since Rooney, and I am not excited about his future here. That says it all really.
 
Chairman Steve said:
I don’t think any club in this country is going to touch him for the rest of his career as it stands because he’ll be despised wherever he goes and the hypothetical club that buys him will be in a PR hellstorm. He will not be called up internationally either because it’ll be just as bad.

So as of this moment, I hope we eventually end up selling him abroad where he can quietly get on with his career.
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Look at other players who made a terrible mistake. So quickly people forget
 
Based purely on talent I fully expected him to be first choice number 9 for United and England for.years to come.

The best idea right now is to use him as a makeweight in the Hojlund deal and send him on loan. He needs match practice and an environment away from the British media and we could use the extra time to decide his future. It's a win win.
 
OverratedOpinion said:
Are you trying to say that our attackers desperately struggled to score under Ole?

- Bruno scored 40 goals in his first 60 games.
- Rashford broke 20 goals for the first time in his career and did it twice.
- Martials highest ever scoring season.
- Ronaldo, Pogba, Cavani, Greenwood and Lukaku also all scored over 15 goals for a season under Ole.

Please don't read this as me singing Ole's praises but you're making it sound like forwards were struggling to get goals and he was magically the only one who could.
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We as a team were rather poor, Greenwood more often than not saved our asses.
 
Probably the best talent to come out of Carrington in modern times.

Great technical markers and a killer instinct. Guy was a teenager calling Ronaldo a "dead baller". As much as I like Rashford, he doesn't have that killer je ne sais quoi this guy has/had. He was going to be an all timer.

Wonder how much he can salvage.

It'll probably be a while before Carrington spits out another one this good.
 
Escobar said:
Look at other players who made a terrible mistake. So quickly people forget
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There's evidence on the internet that's there forever no matter how much he tries to run away from it. I think his career is completely fecked at the top level.
 
Surprised to see so many retrospectively playing down his footballing promise. His last full season he was 19/20, getting 60 minutes a match on average, and clearly being sensibly eased into the senior game via the wide forward position. His goalscoring, from all kinds of chances and positions, was unimpeachable. He didn't have the physique or experience yet to handle being a #9 backed up against two beefy CBs. But his technique was clearly very high level and he showed regular glimpses of an exciting ability to beat a man on the break, to join link-up play, to pick a nice pass.

Whatever anyone's stance on whether he should play for us/anyone else again, and however much you think his long lay-off and all the circumstances around it will have affected him, it's daft to suggest he wasn't an elite talent. The best CF prospect to come out of our academy while I've been watching football.
 
DOTA said:
I think there's actually quite a few ways this could be found out. Including selling him to the first bidder that comes along.
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Don't see how this relates to the post I was responding to.
 
There's a odd sympathetic undertone in this thread for Mason Greenwood.
 
Shark said:
There's evidence on the internet that's there forever no matter how much he tries to run away from it. I think his career is completely fecked at the top level.
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Everyone loves a redemption story. The cynic in me thinks a motivated club would find a way to rehabilitate his image. A season in Italy where he ends up player of the year, and there are plenty of clubs who will be motivated to rehabilitate his image - including our own.
 
I’m definitely in the minority here but I genuinely didn’t even think he looked that special. Finishing was great, can’t argue with that, but was a greedy bastard and was frustrating as hell to watch.
 
Red Rash said:
Based purely on talent I fully expected him to be first choice number 9 for United and England for.years to come.

The best idea right now is to use him as a makeweight in the Hojlund deal and send him on loan. He needs match practice and an environment away from the British media and we could use the extra time to decide his future. It's a win win.
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Makeweight as a loanee?
 
kolli said:
there was a game against Leicester that he started as a striker and scored (I think it ended 1-1) - he looked fantastic in that game. Had a certain confidence about him being the main man

He was at his worst playing with Ronaldo...I think the mix of CR7 & Bruno complaining at him every time he shot (which at some point was everytime he had the ball) wasn't good for him...
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For me it's the game against Leeds I think. He was deployed as a #9 and was simply fantastic imo. Looked much stronger than the previous season and scored a really beautiful goal showing his insane pace, finishing and composure. I remember this game pretty well because he also made a very smart move by stepping into and stopping a Leeds player prevented him from chasing Bruno which led to another goal. That day I was quite confident he'd become our main #9 for the coming years.

Then Ronaldo came and the tactic turned to pass to Ronaldo. I was too busy being angry at Ole and Ronaldo and how shit we were that I could barely remember anything else from onward.
 
Carlsen19 said:
I’m definitely in the minority here but I genuinely didn’t even think he looked that special. Finishing was great, can’t argue with that, but was a greedy bastard and was frustrating as hell to watch.
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Same has been said of Martial and Rashford... and Ronaldo.
 
Escobar said:
We as a team were rather poor, Greenwood more often than not saved our asses.
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That's not really a response though is it.

Greenwood was nowhere near the top scorer in that time period so how is it even possible that he was the one who "more often than not" saved our asses?
 
Buster15 said:
Don't see how this relates to the post I was responding to.
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I thought you were responding to questions of whether or not he'd still be all that good by suggesting the only way to find out was for us to play him.

What were you suggesting is the only way to find out?
 
Shark said:
There's evidence on the internet that's there forever no matter how much he tries to run away from it. I think his career is completely fecked at the top level.
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Another scandal will come up somewhere and pwople move on once they lose interest. Human nature
 
It's clear he can't be prepared to play for us at this moment, I think he should go on loan for at least 1 year and we see how it goes from there. He's talented and it would be a pity to sell him for peanuts now, at the lowest point of his career.
 
Chairman Steve said:
I don’t think any club in this country is going to touch him for the rest of his career as it stands because he’ll be despised wherever he goes and the hypothetical club that buys him will be in a PR hellstorm. He will not be called up internationally either because it’ll be just as bad.

So as of this moment, I hope we eventually end up selling him abroad where he can quietly get on with his career.
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Doesn’t Partey play for Arsenal? Greenwood will play in EPL again, be it at United or somewhere else.

People are massively exaggerating the potential sponsor/reputation losses. It will be the media speaking a bit for 2 weeks followed by the occasional crowd abuse in away matches. Which depending on his mentality, can benefit him.
 
DOTA said:
I thought you were responding to questions of whether or not he'd still be all that good by suggesting the only way to find out was for us to play him.

What were you suggesting is the only way to find out?
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As you have said.
 
goalscholes said:
Anyone who was happy for Ronaldo to be re-signed (which from memory was most of our fans) should be happy to keep Mason in our team.

Not sure if we should keep him this season or put him out on loan and get him to prove his fitness/ form. A season loan with a half season break clause would be perfect.
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The Mason situation is a completely different kettle of fish though.

Resigning CR7 wasn't controversial and he wasn't outed as a (supposed) domestic abuser and potential rapist.

I don't see how you can even compare the 2 with a straight face
 
Carlsen19 said:
I’m definitely in the minority here but I genuinely didn’t even think he looked that special. Finishing was great, can’t argue with that, but was a greedy bastard and was frustrating as hell to watch.
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Me too. Good finisher, very good actually, but overall I never saw how he would become world class because I didn't see a whole lot else.
 
Raoul said:
The loan would give the player time to regain his playing form in a less hostile league. I seriously doubt mid-table Italian fans are saturated in the non-football side of things as fans in the English league are.

It would also allow ETH to go through the first part of the season with minimal disruption while the player regains his form elsewhere.
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There's also the language barrier. Both in terms of Greenwood not being able to understand certain insults, alongside a less emotional response from listeners in relation to that audio recording.
 
FattyFooty said:
Am i the only one that is not that impressed by him? Based just on football.

He started good, but in the end i felt he kinda lost hes shot. I felt so many attacks stopped on him looking for that shot. I also remeber players around him beeing frustrated.

I started to belive in him. But in the end a kinda frustrating player for me.
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Absolute nonsense. The last game he played for us (against Villa) demonstrated how much his game had developed and matured. He was dropping deeper, bursting past players and creating attacks with his passing. He had a lot to his game.
 
I think the best thing for him on a football basis is a loan to a club he’d play most weeks and get a full season of match fitness under him whilst being out of the eye of the English media, I don’t think there’s a worse media to have against you than English media.

On a footballing level I really believed that we had the future of English football as our frontline in him and Rashford, I’d be far happier footballing wise with Greenwood on the right over Antony and Rashford on the left with Fernandes in behind an actual centre forward but I guess we’ll see what happens in the 2024/25 season as that’s likely to be the time we’d see him play for United if he ever does again.
 
redcucumber said:
Absolute nonsense. The last game he played for us (against Villa) demonstrated how much his game had developed and matured. He was dropping deeper, bursting past players and creating attacks with his passing. He had a lot to his game.
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He was up there with Ronaldo, Rooney or Rashy in terms of excitement and talent.
 
I wouldn't jump into a loan so fast. Makes sense to get him in the squad for pre season and see how he looks. We could always loan him out once the season starts. Is there even a deadline by when you have to loan out players? Greenwood at one time had a higher ceiling than Rashford and would save us close to 100 m on a striker.
 
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