Any of about 3 players could've been MOM yesterday and, in contrast with a few years back, none of them were De Gea. Good times.
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Exactly. In current form we could bench Rashford and play Sancho on the left.
Imagine having one of Sancho/Rashford/Greenwood to come on off the bench?
I think the added muscles really helped him to achieve greater speed and acceleration.
That run was blistering fast.
That run was blistering fast.
I think it's the other way around, he said himself he is naturally right footed, but all those years of shooting practices made him favor his left foot more. One of a kind, our Mason.
I dunno I definitely think he’s left footed naturally, most of the information out there seems to suggest that. He favours his left slightly as well and takes penalties with his right because he missed one once with his left when he was 13, which I think sort of implies he naturally went with his left growing up. Either way it’s splitting hairs that fact we’re even debating it just shows how two footed he is.
He shouldn't be relegated to the bench anymore. We should plan for him being a first teamer next season, whatever the implications are regarding Sancho.
He could get 20 goals by the end of his first season. At 18 that would be incredible. physicality aside, he’s technically a lot better than Haaland
Excellent game yesterday and seems to be growing in confidence with every passing game. When you watch him play, it doesn't feel like a kid out of the Academy being given a few minutes on the field to develop, he already feels like a first team player. Very similar to Wayne in how mature he is for his age.
Really enjoyed watching him yesterday, I didn't realise he had shot for his goal at first as he was surrounded by the Brighton players then suddenly the ball is in the back of the net
I just hope we can continue keeping him grounded, I think we're being quite careful with him and not letting him do interviews etc. I'm guessing as he's still so young his form may drop at times but he's playing in a variety of scenarios eg starting and coming on as a sub so must be excellent for his development as each is posing different challenges to him
Said a lot when not Long after Ole joined he said he was the best finisher at the club and think he knows a thing or 2 about strikers! I wonder if Ole is spending time working with him as well
Its a shame every game remains vital still, as if we had nothing to play for having already secured top 4, we could perhaps give him a little go down the middle but I don't want us putting that much pressure on him yet and knocking his confidence. Would we be able to play a decent formation and perhaps have him as a 2 down the middle? That way he could possibly have someone like Ighalo even there just to support him and help him out a bit I'm just worried he'd possibly get a bit isolated if he was lone striker.
I just hope we can continue keeping him grounded, I think we're being quite careful with him and not letting him do interviews etc. I'm guessing as he's still so young his form may drop at times but he's playing in a variety of scenarios eg starting and coming on as a sub so must be excellent for his development as each is posing different challenges to him
Said a lot when not Long after Ole joined he said he was the best finisher at the club and think he knows a thing or 2 about strikers! I wonder if Ole is spending time working with him as well
Its a shame every game remains vital still, as if we had nothing to play for having already secured top 4, we could perhaps give him a little go down the middle but I don't want us putting that much pressure on him yet and knocking his confidence. Would we be able to play a decent formation and perhaps have him as a 2 down the middle? That way he could possibly have someone like Ighalo even there just to support him and help him out a bit I'm just worried he'd possibly get a bit isolated if he was lone striker.
I get that he was a striker in the youth team, but I do think you can get swallowed up in the middle as a striker in men's football. I would rather Greenwood were on the wings where there's more space to make an impact and he can be involved for 90 minutes, instead of on the periphery trusting his teammates to get him the ball.
I wouldn't even mind if his longer term position was at RW, he's clearly very involved there and has more dynamic choices that at striker where sometimes it's a thankless job, especially against those very deep defences where you need patience for 90 minutes. Look at Martial, he's learning more and more to stay closer to the goal and although he's getting more opportunities, he's on the periphery a lot more unless he drops deep or exchanges with Rashford; he can't do the dribbles he used to. I wouldn't hurry to put Mason into that situation as his overall game is quite good, and it would be a bit of a waste at this stage.
That's a very valid point and completely see where you're coming from. That's why I'd only want to see him played down the middle for a bit, even a half even, only if we had already secured top 4. That way there would be no pressure on him but it would give him a little go at just seeing what it's like and the different things required of him to play that role in the first team, especially if Ole and Co were to sit down with him after and explain where he could improve what he could do differently etc. Then perhaps after 1 or 2 games put him back on the right so he can finish his already very good season on a high. That's also why I'd try and see if our set up would allow him to be part of a 2 if he went up front, just to give him some support
However we don't have the luxury of having qualified for top 4 so there are no games where we can allow him to do it just for the experience right now so I completely agree he needs to stay on the right for now. Plus if he can become proficient in another position it will only help his overall game. There's no way I'd want the pressure of giving him that role in a game where is matters on him performing at this stage of his career, especially as he is doing so well at the moment.
he is a first team player. He’s been managed brilliantly by Ole, and that needs to continue, he shouldn’t be starting every game. What a great breakthrough season he’s had though, still only 18.
I think he's almost too good a player to be a striker now also.
In the modern game the wide men are used more as playmakers and goal scorers, strikers are generally just there to hold the ball up and get the finishing touches - Greenwood is too good for that.
His control, passing and dribbling is actually really well suited to an inside forward. He could quite happily end up being a Mo Salah type.
When we look at Martial he does a fantastic job as the hold up striker, but he's often isolated out of the game which is a shame as he's really good at building up also.
I was hestitant at first him playing RW thinking he was going to be stuck out there isolated, but with AWB pushing up so high allowing him to cut inside, he's so dangerous.
I was also happy to see when he switched to the LW for a while he was just as effective. Beautiful cross for Fernandes goal which is something Rashford couldn't do with his left.
This 3 month break has done him wonders, he no longer looks like a skinny boy but a young man.
I think he's the most naturally talented player in the squad.
Remember when people thought Greenwood was slow
Yeah. If he continues on this level he should not be behind Rashford and Martial in the pecking order.
I'm not really sure, but it feels like outside of United fans nobody is really talking about how good he is. He's already quality and is delivering pretty consistently
Discussed him with a mate that supports Arsenal before the game yesterday. He stated that Martinelli was on par with Greenwood... I called him after the game. Safe to say his opinion had changed.
What separates him from what Rooney and Lukaku had done at a similar age or currently Haaland is that he's not a physical specimen like them and his technique is already superior and more consistent than what they displayed as teenagers.
Next year he will get his due. We needed more points earlier to draw attention.
Remember when people thought Greenwood was slow
Oh yes.. the time when our fans questioned a 18 year old who didnt start many games for us.
With youngsters, they need to be able to grow into a team. You can see the more starts he gets the more confidence he gets to play his game. Yesterday was a perfect example of him growing into the United team.
Not just his pace, his composure is something, even in our half he kept the ball and found the right pass more often than not.
Really surprised when people say that.Remember when people thought Greenwood was slow
He has pace to burn when needed especially during counter attacks - eg Yesterday and against Watford where he left everyone behind and made 1-2 passes with Bruno to score a screamer.
Mason is an intelligent player, he would make quick passes with other players and make his runs or hold the ball rather than do a futile knock and run against 2/3 defenders to result in no end product.
His game is so developed for such a young age, (18 yrs?) the decisions he make, when to pass, run or shoot. The other players I can compare to regarding Decision making would be Messi and Mbappe (when they were 18,19 yrs old)
People always pick faults with our own players on here. Greenwood is far from slow, last night when he tracked back and made a slide tackle, that showed he's far from slow and on the 3rd goal.Remember when people thought Greenwood was slow
I tend to agree. Monaco gave Mbappe a proper chance in 2016/17 somewhere in the middle of the season and never looked back. They won the title and reached the CL semi's.
Special talents deserve the minutes.
This is what will make him a very special player. He's not only athletic but thinks very quickly. You can see how fast he takes a touch and then quickly lays it off without even debating it.
Similarly to Bruno/Pogba who just have that 6th sense / image in their brains about what they want to do before doing it.
His goal is a prime example of that - control, spin and straight away sprinting at the defender. He's decided already he's taking 2 step overs then banging it bottom corner, and hey presto it works.
I think that’s hits the nail on the head as to what we needed and why we struggled pre Bruno. Bruno has forced everyone to engage their brain more by picking up the tempo of our game.
Rashford does seem to be struggling in this respect compared to the others at the moment but hopefully he cottons on to it soon, he’s been out for a while.
Phenomenal talent, I can actually see him becoming a modern wide forward, he's got everything in his locker.
I actually would not be disappointed if we end up not getting Sancho due to Dortmund putting a ridiculous price tag. We need top players for the squad, but we should not be so desperate as to overpay for a young player, when we might have someone of similar or higher quality in our ranks already.
I actually would not be disappointed if we end up not getting Sancho due to Dortmund putting a ridiculous price tag. We need top players for the squad, but we should not be so desperate as to overpay for a young player, when we might have someone of similar or higher quality in our ranks already.
If you were to transport 2013 RVP into this year or the next year, you would put him on the right instead of as a striker?
I remember a poster claiming he wasnt a great finisher and our academy couldnt produce one.. After about 1 gameRemember when people thought Greenwood was slow
As much as Fred and Matic proved me wrong, I've been redeemed by my faith in this kid. I love watching Greenwood play and as I've thought James has struggled, I've really loved what Mason brings to the team and wanted to see way more of him this season. During this COVID shutdown, my boys and I have made our "best" lineups, he's always in my XI.
I hope he becomes our staple at wing as his ability to use both feet could become unstoppable. Love this kid.
I hope he becomes our staple at wing as his ability to use both feet could become unstoppable. Love this kid.
Arsenal fans are the kings of overrating their players. Other than David Luiz they think all their players are class, and then are constantly surprised when they're 3-0 down at home to Crystal Palace or whatever.
RVP started as a winger at 16.
Id say a young rvp would play the inside forward role perfectly, but obviously he had great hold up play too.
I’m not saying greenwood won’t make a good striker but he can get involved in the build up play more and still score plenty from that position.
I hope i'm wrong but the only downside I see is that he has this sort of odd body shape that when moving could put increased pressure on his ankles and knees. I know its an odd analysis maybe i'm just finding fault where there is none.
But this isn't about only playing Greenwood as a winger in his formative years. You guys said that you can see him in the future playing only as a rw and that he might be too good to play as a striker which sounds crazy to me like it's impossible for him to excel as a striker in the future.
I see his future as a striker similar to RVP. Nothing has changed my mind. I have no problem with playing him as a winger right now. However, as he matures I want him up top.
Playing as right forward, he will always gets the chance to face the goal. As a 9, he will end up playing most of the game with back to the goal. He might end up as great 9 but I like him as Right forward where defenders don't have a clue on which side he is going.
I do not understand the talk about how buying Sancho (or any other attacker of that ilk) would impede Mason's progress.
We need at least 4, if not 5, very good attackers for us to get back to the levels we as United should aspire to.
The last time we were at that level, in 2007-09, we had Ronaldo, Rooney, Tevez, Berba/Saha, Giggs, Park and Nani.
Even with Sancho, we would only have 4.
Ideally we need Sancho and one more attacking player.
We need at least 4, if not 5, very good attackers for us to get back to the levels we as United should aspire to.
The last time we were at that level, in 2007-09, we had Ronaldo, Rooney, Tevez, Berba/Saha, Giggs, Park and Nani.
Even with Sancho, we would only have 4.
Ideally we need Sancho and one more attacking player.
Why would we play him as a striker when he can be a top player as an inside forward?
When he gets even stronger, I don't see him playing with his back to goal as a negative. He's technically good and if anything he'll be more unpredictable or be given more chances to score from the middle. I don't see why Martial can do it, but Greenwood can't do it. Greenwood is the better finisher right?
You get more chances to score up top.
Why would we play him as an inside forward when he can be a top player as a striker?
Well, he is currently playing at a high level as an inside forward. Your take is the speculative one, you said that you want him up even though that's not where he is currently performing and showing great promises. I'm just wondering why it would be better to have up front instead of where he currently is.
I see someone that could be a Ronaldo/Robben type of wide player and think that it is extremely valuable. Quality strikers aren't as rare as quality inside forwards.
Not necessarily, it depends on the set up and with the way we are playing, I see him getting more chances from right side.
Re other bold part, it's not just about finishing. Greenwood won't get chance to run at defenders all the time if he plays as CF, his game will be restricted fighting with CBs for possession, unless he drops deep to get few touches on the ball.
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