"Man Utd could sign good player. Other big clubs also interested."
Martin Ødegaard
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If its us or Real Madrid, we will get him for sure.
Don't think so. Zidane will whisper sweet nothings in his ear à la Varane and he'll be theirs.
We actually give young players a chance. Ødegaard and his father has said that they will only consider going to a club that will let him be a part of the senior team and give him more than just a place on the bench. Real Madrid will never let him play for the first team. We would imo.
Not seen him play but surely at his age he's not good enough at the moment to even make the bench at some of the biggest clubs not to mention the starting XI.
I think if he was to come here it would be alot better for his career and he would get more first team opportunitites, however it would be easy for Madrid to just say they'll give him the chances!
I think your wrong, his good enough for sure. If you had only seen him play, I think you would agree that his a phenomenon.
The norwegian tippeliga is not as bad as people like to say. Its a very physical and hard league, so you need to special to coop with that. Ødegaard is not big for his age, his average, not the biggest, not the smallest.
They could just say that, but I think the Ødegaard family will make a better deal than that.
Ya I'm thinking the same although maybe I'm not quiet as confident as you. Both him and his father seem to have their heads screwed on and I think you they will be wary of his career stalling at Real Madrid like it tends to do for all young players that move there. Isco was supposed to star at the last World Cup but he didn't even make the Spain squad due to a lack of game time at Real. Canales is another example although injuries didn't helped him either. Heck even Varane has found himself stuck behind Pepe of all people in the pecking order at Real despite the fact he is probably the best young defender in the world, and one of the best full stop. If he does fulfil his potential it will be more down to how good he is rather than how Real have handled him. The fact of the matter is Real will sooner spend millions on a proven world class player than given a young player a chance to prove themselves, no matter how talented they are.
I doubt Zidane having a word with Odegaard will have the same effect on him than it had with Varane considering he isn't his compatriot. If Real get him to have a word we can just get Giggs on his case. Also I'd imagine playing for a manager like Van Gaal would appeal more to a young player than Ancelotti would. Besides I don't think Zidane talking to Varane was the decisive factor in him moving to Real. He said recently that the fact we had just signed another CB in Jones was a significant reason for him turning us down.
Surely we could do the same with Giggs, Scholes or even Beckham?
If he did come here next Jan I would imagine we will offload one of Young and Valencia in summer if not Jan.He will compete with Januzaj and di Maria for game times.Not a bad position for a 16-year-old (unless his family really believe that he's good enough to start regularly for any of the top teams which is plain stupid).
Watch him turn into nothing.
Depends on how good they think he is and how much confidence they have in him, if his family feel like he's got the potential to be one of the best in the world then they might be willing to believe everything Madrid same.
I think a reason we have a chance is that the Premier League is probably more popular in Norway than La Liga (I think anyway)
Of course they rate him, but every club in the world really rate him. So probably, they feel they can demand a lot from the club he agrees to join. That said, this kid really has something special. I know its crazy, but he would be able to get some playing time for our senior squad now. He is that good.
Your right about Premier League being more popular than La Liga in Norway btw.
One plus(Also kind of negative)is if he came here and does well then Madrid will calling where as if he went to Madrid first and things don't work out that's it really.
Ole can whisper sweet nothings into his ears, hes not got anything else to do.
How much better is Odegaard compared to Mats Daehli in the Tippeligaen?
How much better is Odegaard compared to Mats Daehli in the Tippeligaen?
That's nonsense. Madrod's academy has a good record at developing youth even if not all of them go on to play for Madrid.
Zidane has much more appeal than any of those players. He also plays in the same position Zidane did.
Then what's the point in joining them? I'd imagine wherever he ends up he will go there with the intention of playing for their first team. No matter how talented he is the chances of him playing for their first team are pretty slim if he joins them now. He has much better chance of playing for them if he goes elsewhere first and establishes himself there first.
Besides what you have said sort of backs up my original point. Plenty of products of their academy end up playing for other top teams. Mata and Diego Lopez to name just two are top players who came through the ranks and never got a look in. I know this can happen to any club (see us with Pogba) but it seems that Real Madrid let more top talents slip through the net than most.
What do people think he'll be sold for? £10m, £15m, £20m?
As a cultural switch I think Norway > England is a little easier to do than Norway > Spain - so if we are seriously in for him then I would say we've got a pretty good chance.
I haven't seen him much - is he Rooney-esque?
As a cultural switch I think Norway > England is a little easier to do than Norway > Spain - so if we are seriously in for him then I would say we've got a pretty good chance.
I haven't seen him much - is he Rooney-esque?
In his age if he decides for RM or any other big club = lack of intelligence,by skipping steps,he might ruin his future.
He was certainly a better player than him, but would he have more appeal than Beckham? I'm not so sure,
as for Giggs and Scholes, yes he has more appeal but those two are still very appealing, plus growing up watching the Premier League maybe he can relate to them more.
Has he signed a professional contract - is he even allowed to at 15?
I suspect if he goes to a top club perhaps a couple of hundred thousand in compo and a friendly or two
I think your assessment is not universally accurate. There are big clubs with proven track records of successfully helping young and highly talented players, during the process of establishing themselves in pro football. Chosing one of those is imo more favourable for a young player's career, because you have the opportunity to train among some of the best players in the world and get advice from the best coaches. Especially for a young player from a smaller league this can be an enormous boost in his development.
Bayern München for example is heavily linked to Odegaard and our youth programme had huge success stories in recent years, when we signed 15/16 year old talents from small clubs who were then developed into world-class players over the next 4-5 years. The most prominent examples are Toni Kroos and David Alaba, while the young Dane Pierre-Emil Höjbjerg is currently undergoing this very process. Then, there are obviously also club youth products like Lahm, Schweinsteiger, Müller and Badstuber, who also managed to make the step into the first team.
The formula is often the same. As soon as they arrive, young talents will train with the first team, while being played in the second team for the first 1 - 1.5 years. While doing so, they gain a lot of experience until they become ready to play an increasing amount of minutes for the first team. Then there's usually a moment when the young player will hit a wall, because he doesn't get the opportunity to start every game over the course of a season. The player is usually loaned out for 1-2 seasons to a quality Bundesliga team. Afterwards the player returns to Bayern München as a finished top player who is able to compete with the established star players.
If Odegaard lives up to the hype, he might not even need the loan, before being able to break into the first team. Transferring to a lesser club might get him more minutes earlier in his young career, but the best youth programmes of major big clubs provide him with the very best environment to directly learn their trait from the best players in the world. He even has the opportunity to reconsider his decision at 18/19 years of age, if he feels established star players are slowing down his development. He has to chose wisely, but not every career path, which leads him to a major big club next, is necessarily a bad one.
Less than £10m initially for sure.
Most will be through addons i think.
Alen Halilovic went for € 2.2M to Barcelona with undisclosed add-ons at the age of 17.
Toni Kroos went for a total of € 2.3M to Bayern München at the age of 16.
David Alaba went for merely € 150k to Bayern München at the age of 15.
So normally I'd say even a talent of Odegaards magnitude, won't transfer for more than € 3-4M. However, I don't know how the Norwegian employment law works. Norway is not an EU country, even though they tend to copy a lot of our regulations.
In other words, is a Norwegian teenager allowed to simply dissolve any contract, which was signed prior to his 18th birthday, as soon as he comes an adult? That's how it usually works in the EU, because in general youth contracts are co-signed by their parents and become worthless as soon as the player turns 18.
As a Norwegian, can you maybe provide some insight?
In every interview I've seen him give, he comes across like a very intelligent and level-headed kid, who knows what he wants. He doesn't have an agent, but instead uses his dad (Senior used to play football professionally, and is now a coach). They both seem to think about what's the best way for Martin to develop further, and not about the financial aspect of things.
He would also not be skipping steps, as he would likely start off at Real Madrid Castilla. I know he said that he only wants to play for a club that puts him in the first team, but I'm guessing that in a period of adjustment (learning spanish, settling in Madrid) that could be a good arena for him.
Also worth remembering is that ten months ago no-one outside Strømsgodset knew he existed, but he went from being unknown to one of the best players in the league in a very short time. Who knows how fast he could develop if he trained with Ronaldo, James and Isco on a regular basis.
And if Martin goes to Madrid, he will without a doubt have a clause in his contract about first team action within a certain timeframe or something like that. When every club in the world wants you, you're in a position to make demands, and Real has to act quickly as Barcelonas transfer-ban only lasts until 2016.
A thing that I think mights speak against United getting him, is that Martin has become good friends with Mats Møller Dæhli, and has likely asked him how being in the club was like. Although Dæhli won the Jimmy Murphy player of the year, played with a very talented group of players (Januzaj, Pearson, Pereira ect.), and seemed to enjoy his time at United, he has on several occasions spoken about how difficult it was to come into the setup at United, where nobody passed him the ball and nobody talked to him. Of course that will most likely happen at every big club, but hearing it from Dæhli might not do us any favours. But we can always hope eh?
Can't say i've read up on Norwegian regulations on that subject, Bazi.
Did for you though.
This rule states that a pro-contract can be signed after filled 15-years.
According to this link, Ødegaard has signed a pro-contract with Strømsgodset.
Was no rule that i could see that gives him the right to dissolve the contract. He won't have any issues with Strømsgodset about offers though, I believe.
It seems to be their profile to get good talents up and selling them on, both for financial reasons and because it's the only sane way to run a club in Norway. And it gives them some sort of positive profile when entering discussions with new talents.
Did for you though.
§ 3-1. Spillerkontrakter generelt
a) En klubb kan inngå amatørkontrakt eller profesjonell kontrakt med spillere som er fylt 15 år.1 Ved inngåelse av kontrakt mellom klubb og spiller, skal NFFs standardkontrakt for amatør eller profesjonell spiller, benyttes. Alle forpliktende forhold skal være skriftlig og inntas i kontrakten eller i vedlegg til denne.
a) En klubb kan inngå amatørkontrakt eller profesjonell kontrakt med spillere som er fylt 15 år.1 Ved inngåelse av kontrakt mellom klubb og spiller, skal NFFs standardkontrakt for amatør eller profesjonell spiller, benyttes. Alle forpliktende forhold skal være skriftlig og inntas i kontrakten eller i vedlegg til denne.
According to this link, Ødegaard has signed a pro-contract with Strømsgodset.
Was no rule that i could see that gives him the right to dissolve the contract. He won't have any issues with Strømsgodset about offers though, I believe.
It seems to be their profile to get good talents up and selling them on, both for financial reasons and because it's the only sane way to run a club in Norway. And it gives them some sort of positive profile when entering discussions with new talents.
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Nice one. Hope they get a good chunk of coin for him.
Well my focus is strongest on RM,thats why i didnt not mention other big clubs by names.Not trying to sound bitter towards RM but i doubt they are best place for him as young kid.
In every interview I've seen him give, he comes across like a very intelligent and level-headed kid, who knows what he wants. He doesn't have an agent, but instead uses his dad (Senior used to play football professionally, and is now a coach). They both seem to think about what's the best way for Martin to develop further, and not about the financial aspect of things.
He would also not be skipping steps, as he would likely start off at Real Madrid Castilla. I know he said that he only wants to play for a club that puts him in the first team, but I'm guessing that in a period of adjustment (learning spanish, settling in Madrid) that could be a good arena for him.
Also worth remembering is that ten months ago no-one outside Strømsgodset knew he existed, but he went from being unknown to one of the best players in the league in a very short time. Who knows how fast he could develop if he trained with Ronaldo, James and Isco on a regular basis.
And if Martin goes to Madrid, he will without a doubt have a clause in his contract about first team action within a certain timeframe or something like that. When every club in the world wants you, you're in a position to make demands, and Real has to act quickly as Barcelonas transfer-ban only lasts until 2016.
A thing that I think mights speak against United getting him, is that Martin has become good friends with Mats Møller Dæhli, and has likely asked him how being in the club was like. Although Dæhli won the Jimmy Murphy player of the year, played with a very talented group of players (Januzaj, Pearson, Pereira ect.), and seemed to enjoy his time at United, he has on several occasions spoken about how difficult it was to come into the setup at United, where nobody passed him the ball and nobody talked to him. Of course that will most likely happen at every big club, but hearing it from Dæhli might not do us any favours. But we can always hope eh?
Never said he looks or sounds stupid.Sorry i still find RM or RM Castilla as skipping step and wrong choice,at least thats what i believe.
Personally, I think he could do worse than a club like Ajax, or any decent German clubs. Ronaldinho got to the top via an unfancied pre oil money PSG.
Just hope he doesn't go to Liverpool. He would instantly become they're best player and they'd burn him out.
In my opinion he should go to a club like Ajax or Southampton ie decent clubs who play a good level of football and had been producing some quality youngsters in the recent years. These sort of clubs wouldn't shy away from playing youth talent and have less pressure then other bigger clubs to win important honors or reach the top 4 place.
However if he wants to move to a big club then United, Liverpool and Arsenal should be his choice (in that preference). At United there's still room for new talent in CM + the likes of Carrick and Fletcher won't last long. Same issues with Liverpool especially with Gerrard. Things may change at Arsenal with Wenger's job under threat however Arsenal has some sort of tradition in developing great midfielders.
However if he wants to move to a big club then United, Liverpool and Arsenal should be his choice (in that preference). At United there's still room for new talent in CM + the likes of Carrick and Fletcher won't last long. Same issues with Liverpool especially with Gerrard. Things may change at Arsenal with Wenger's job under threat however Arsenal has some sort of tradition in developing great midfielders.
This all feels like the Freddy Adu saga that raged on for seasons. He never developed into anything worth noting.
That may or may not happen. Kids are highly unpredictable.
Having said that, Adu's biggest mistake was to remain in a club who had barely ever developed a World class player. I can't recall the likes of Stoke ever developing talent like Scholes or Zidane. Odegaard on the other hand is willing to move. He should take this decision wisely and aim for long term benefits instead of making money as quickly as possible
Seems like the sort of player who'll jump from club to club if he ever becomes half decent. He'll probably never be happy where he ends up.
What makes you say that ?
He's whoring himself around Europe looking for the perfect club. That's never going to happen, so he'll constantly be on the look for something better. He also seems to know his own market value and is trying to play several clubs off each other to make the most of it. That screams "money-grubbing" as far as I'm concerned.
Oh come on your being extremely harsh here. We aren't talking about a season pro here he's a 16 year old kid,who in the end is looking for the best option for himself.
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