Pah, you call yourself fans!
Martin Ødegaard
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss Amad saving our blushes in a win against Southampton as well as our now annual loss at home to Brighton. They discuss Amorim's post-match comments, revisit how mid-table we may or may not be, and discuss some transfer news.
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How many of those players were actually seriously wanted/approached by the clubs they supported?
We know that Shaw wasn't.
Did O'shea ever get an offer from Liverpool? Solskjaer? Smalling from Arsenal?
I was wondering about that too. However, there's a town about 60 miles north of Oslo, which in my time had a bunch of players abnormally tall and strong for 15-year-olds - most likely because of spills from the local artificial fertilizer silo into their water source.Hopefully he'll sign for any team other than Liverpool.
I think that Smalling and Young had offers from Arsenal.
Chelsea weren't willing to pay what we paid for Shaw.
Smalling definitely did.
Exactly. He didn't turn down his boyhood club for United. He never got the chance to. I don't think Chelsea even matched our offer in the first place.
Was Arsenal's Smalling bid definitely accepted?
So, is he starting for them today?
He is going to meet with a lot of teams. In Norway the media will go crazy when he visit us. Its no secret that the media would love to see him join us. I think its a big chance for that happening.
We definitely wanted Ramsey though.
Yeah, I know that one. But again, the club still needs to make the player feel wanted, even if they are his club. According to him, that's not what happened.
I'm not denying that players turn down clubs they support all the time. But I think that a lot of the examples given aren't valid, because the interest was much bigger from one club in particular (Shaw being and example).
Assuming Ødegaard is all he's hyped up to be, every club will be throwing everything at him. If the deals are very similar, it wouldn't surprise me if he chooses his boyhood club.
Obviously if Liverpool drop the ball, or don't match other offers, he wont sit around waiting for them.
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Most of the time young players, choose the club who they think will give them the best combination of Minutes, Money, structure, fame and teaching.
The club they support is only a bonus, and it will only make a difference between two options that they will consider equal.
Yep. Agreed.
He wants to be the best and to be the best you need to be at one of the best clubs in the world. Liverpool is not one of them and Ødegaard knows that.
Now, from what i understand Manchester utd, Liverpool and Real Madrid are in pole positions for him and i don't think that these options are equal, they propose very different things.
Real Madrid: A great formation, no guarantees in term of playing time, no particular fame (you can disappear quickly), but a real marketability in the future if he makes it into the first team.
Manchester United: A great formation, a manager who loves young players, money, but no guarantees i term of playing time.
Liverpool: A good formation, playing time, money but no guarantee in term of fame, or stability.
Real Madrid: A great formation, no guarantees in term of playing time, no particular fame (you can disappear quickly), but a real marketability in the future if he makes it into the first team.
Manchester United: A great formation, a manager who loves young players, money, but no guarantees i term of playing time.
Liverpool: A good formation, playing time, money but no guarantee in term of fame, or stability.
He's a young guy. I doubt he'll be at one club forever, and there's no reason why he couldn't do what Suarez did, and elevate his status at Liverpool before going to Spain.
He'd get more games at Liverpool at the very least.
However it wouldn't surprise me, after all this, if he joins a totally unexpected club.
He's on his way to London to train with Arsenal, according to VG (Norwegian newspaper). I guess it's only a year or so since he came to visit us, so I'm not really sure if he's coming back to train with us again.
If he trained with us a year ago he probably ran into David Moyes and got put off the idea of United forever.
It would suck for City though, seing as Godset is their feeder club. They've gotten plenty of players on loan who've contributed tons during the last few seasons, but as soon as someone slightly talented comes along, he's too young for their first option clause
He could have refused to sign with us, making Soton choose either to keep him or sell him at a lower price to Chelsea.
If he wanted to desperately join Chelsea, he would have done that IMO. Maybe not this summer, but the next one or in two years. Sanchez is the best example when it comes to this, forcing Udinese accept the Barca bid although it was significantly lower than City's.
I cant seem to find it mentioned in this thread though, but Mourinho himself ruled out Ødegaard to Chelsea the other day. He said that about 25 clubs were in for the player, but Chelsea did not fit the profile of the club they were looking at.
Odegaard on tour 2014/15 (With special guest Tom Ince)
Coming to a major city near you SOON!
Coming to a major city near you SOON!
Weren't we the ones, who made that bid ?
Now the people is claiming he's going to Ajax. Bloody soap this tale is becoming.
Hazard comes to mind.
Apparently scheduled to go to Arsenal next week for training as well as per unconfirmed reports.
Mourinho is a liar.
The examples don't really match up, considering Sanchez forced through a move that was happening that summer.
You're effectively saying that Shaw should have forced through a move that may happen in two or three years time. He'd have been stupid to gamble like that, surely?
Because Southampton were under no pressure to sell him this summer, and he wasn't going to sulk as a teenager.
Not comparable to Sanchez really. Not only did Chelsea not match our bid, but it wouldn't have surprised me if Chelsea (knowing Mourinho's preferences) were never that bothered about him this summer.
Thus the option wasn't really there for Shaw. I don't know why he'd forgo a cracking opportunity in order to force a move there.
In Sanchez' case the interest from Barcelona was immediate and concrete.
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fair play to him, he is living the dream of every boy ever. Week after week go to all these amazing clubs and have them beg for you to sign.
Getting quite bored, he is a big talent but wouldnt look out of place in u16/18 teams of clubs like Real, Bayern, Ajax, Barcelona. If those clubs would send one of their most promising players to that league, they'd also be a standout I reckon.
He would look out of place.
No, lets not overrate him already please.
I think we need to go all out for this guy. I think he has got a real chance of being the next big thing. More than this though, I think it is important to cement our place as the top dog in the league (not in terms of league position at the moment). What I mean by this is Real in Spain can pretty much pick the players they want. Similarly Bayern in Germany can do this. Over the Summer we made a marked effort to assert our dominance over transfers and I think this is another oppurtunity to build on that with a relatively small outlay. At the moment I think we are still in a position where the more 'hot prospects' and Worldies come here over other clubs, the more that will attract others to come. Certainly if we go back to the Moysie Summer there were seemingly no 'big' players who wanted to come and we have had to reinvent ourselves to a degree.
Not every player can be like Robbie Keane and play for the 27 clubs that they're lifelong fans of.
Not really sure what that has to do with my post.
I wish people would stop saying that because of one or two examples (Ramsay, Smalling) where a player didn't join the club they supported, that is evidence that the club a young player supports has no bearing on where they end up. Clearly it does for some players, and doesn't for others. Each case is different. Those two example are only evidence that it isn't the definitive factor, and nothing more than that.
Dutch media are now reporting that he's training with Ajax some time in January, which puts to bed the Marca claims that he'll be signing with Real soon.
Might as well also post some quotes by Bayern Munich's head youth scout, Michael Tarnat. This is translated from Norwegian to English, so it's probably slightly off, seeing as the Norwegian media will have translated to begin with:
Might as well also post some quotes by Bayern Munich's head youth scout, Michael Tarnat. This is translated from Norwegian to English, so it's probably slightly off, seeing as the Norwegian media will have translated to begin with:
I think Smalling had an offer from Arsenal - United came out of nowhere to sign him.
I remember this because I made a thread on here about how the signing to Arsenal was (apparently) imminent - which seemed to have been the death knell for the deal, because next day I wake up and he's signed for United!
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