They said De Bruyne and Lukaku had bad attitudes too. And maybe they did.
But Jose can't simply be the victim in all these cases.
No innocent party in this case. Except maybe us the fans.
Martial's partner gives birth and the resultant hell from two warring factions
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But Jose can't simply be the victim in all these cases.
No innocent party in this case. Except maybe us the fans.
Get out of Mourinho’s ass and smell the coffee. Not all his decisions are perfect.
According to some like you Martial has been shit for 2 years and thousands of fans singing his name are idiots and can’t recognize talent. You can tag everything you want on Martial if it makes you feel better, truth is every single attacker of ours has been mediocre, and there are wider issues going to the manager. I compromised on the style and his methods, but won’t have to swallow every shit unlike fans like you.
He forced a move out of Dortmund by not showing up to training and stuff.
And there's been reports of Valverde not liking his attitude in Barcelona IIRC.
No I’m not. Here’s one. It was on Tuesday.
There’s also one from a closed thread I can’t quote.
Average? It was a disastrous season earlier. What superlative would’ve described him prior to this disastrous season if he improved? Where were we on rewriting history?
Jesus Christ. I haven’t said he’s perfect and I haven’t called anyone an idiot. I literally said in the quote you posted “for all his faults”. When are you getting out of Martial’s ass and smelling the coffee? Have a lie down.
Lol and? I’ve said more than once I’ve had enough of his moaning about everything. His negativity is annoying, can’t I express my dissatisfaction with the way he is conducting this last month? Are you his wife? Go and dig some more old quotes, there are some where I criticize Martial.
Definitely not him then
You barely acknowledged any of Martial’s good games and you are peddling the same shit how it’s all his fault, how he had problems. Well every young player does, and it doesn’t have to be Rashford vs Martial, not everybody is the same. Both of them make mistakes as every young player. Martial had most PoTM awards this last season for a reason, yet you fail to acknowledge that. A young player has been mishandled and all you can say is how he’s been this and that. It says volumes about the general feeling around the club.
We better leave it at that, before we go too far.
And? You asked me when you said you wanted Jose to feck off. You can do and say as you like. Just don’t pretend I’m making things up and rewriting history when you’re the one who can’t remember what you said six days ago.
Except for when I said that he forced his way into the team this season with good form. It’s not my fault if you don’t bother actually reading what you’re responding to and going off on bizarre tangents.
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If I said I've had enough of him bitching and moaning and making conflicts doesn't mean I said I wanted him to feck off. So there it is, you making things up. If you bothered searching a bit earlier in the year you will find I've defended him when I felt he was getting unwarranted criticism. So taking one post from a period when almost everyone is tired of his miserable demeanor, doesn't paint the picture you want to paint. As I said try to get out of his ass for a second.
Well that force himself in the team, he did you are right, but somehow you fail to acknowledge that when describing the situation with Alexis coming and getting the position Martial fought for from the start of the season. Whether he is the new shiny transfer or not, that was shambolic handling from Mourinho. Unless that new guy was Messi or Ronaldo, he should have been introduced differently, not destabilizing the whole team just before the CL tie, and unsettling one of our best young players.
“Anthony Martial needs to stay at Old Trafford,” Berbatov told Betfair.
“We used to play at Monaco together so I know how he plays.
“The board and the coach need to get together; he’s not even close to reaching his full potential and United is the best for him.
“He needs to be patient, wait for his chance to play because he’s an unbelievable footballer.”
https://www.thesportreview.com/2018...-warning-to-man-united-about-anthony-martial/
“We used to play at Monaco together so I know how he plays.
“The board and the coach need to get together; he’s not even close to reaching his full potential and United is the best for him.
“He needs to be patient, wait for his chance to play because he’s an unbelievable footballer.”
https://www.thesportreview.com/2018...-warning-to-man-united-about-anthony-martial/
In Jose Mourinho 17/18 assessments thread you said the following:
“If I had any doubt over where should have I put my trust, now is over. The slightest bit of faith I have left is on Mourinho, but if he sells genuine talent like Martial, if give up and he can feck off for good.”
I’d quote but the thread is locked. You can apologise for saying I made things up or carry on making up nonsense. I know what my money is on you doing.
Agree with the Berb.
OK that is probably truth, I've forgotten I've written that if he sells genuine talent like Martial I'd lose every faith in him. Luckily up till now it hasn't happened, and no I DON'T want him to leave since there is no better manager for the club at the moment, and as of yet Martial is still Manchester United player. So technically it's a conditional sentence.
Some like me remember history and Jose has a history of selling world class talents. Not sure if that was from Willian thread or Perisic or some other, either way, I would say it again, if he sells a talent like Martial just to bring Willian or Perisic, he can feck off right away. And I hope he takes his fans with him.
If all is summed up, go and chill out, if anyone should apologize it's you.
I don’t think so. I haven’t been accusing people of making stuff up, I wasn’t accusing anyone of not being able to make up their own mind, or ignoring when I’ve said Martial played well to claim that I didn’t. We’ll leave it there.
Hopefully Martial fans will follow their hero elsewhere. They’ll be happier.
He needs to knuckle down and work harder too.
Absolutely Crazy. Apparently we should be embarrassed about checking up on Martial to see if selling him is going to be a mistake or a positive.
There is no reason to be embarrassed - Jose has an absolutely horrendous list of players sold that he struggled to manage - players who he chucked away for the same reasons such as mentality. Do you like Lukaku's mentality now Jose? Jose has absolutely weak spot in his ability to manage 'niche' players like de bryune which needs some further footballing understanding rather than a manager who plays him outside on the wing
Jose surely would not mind having de bryune, Salah or Lukaku now would he? No - the guy had to get these players managed by other people before being good enough for him.
Would not blink an eye lid if Pep sold martial or Zidane did but Jose Mourinho?! You got to be kidding right?
Absolutely no embarrassment in watching martial if he is sold - I'd find it interesting to see if Jose 'the un-mistaken' has made another mistake.
Enjoy Willian
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If we don't buy a RW then we should keep him and just keep playing him in on the right. I get the feeling if he just got a goal or two under his belt from that position he could make it his own.
The only problem is he'd have to play quite narrow with an overlapping right-back to get the best out of him from that position, but we haven't even bought said right-back.
The only problem is he'd have to play quite narrow with an overlapping right-back to get the best out of him from that position, but we haven't even bought said right-back.
I think Martial would struggle on the right.
He likes to wait for the ball and cut inside. He's not someone who makes lots of off the ball runs.
I think he'll be gone and it's a shame it's not worked out for him here. Martial can be world class with the right manager in the right system.
Is he that dissimilar to Mbappe?
Offer him to Barca and try for Dembele.
Has there been any explanation as to where he is? I assume he's not returned to the states? Has he been given permission to train in Manchester like Lindelof was or is he not even there?
Mbappé has been developed as an attacking midfielder and runs are the base of his game. So yeah, they are far from similar.
If I remember correctly he played on the right at Monaco before we bought him, its not that foreign a position for him. Like anything else he needs a consistent run of games to acclimate himself.
He didn't really played on the right, maybe a couple of times when he came in. The right side was shared between Dirar and Carrasco.
Why would we buy a player with low defensive ability, intent, poor work rate & mentality when we are selling one for the same apparent reasons?
As if you can't learn how to make runs. And what kind of player do you think Martial is if not a runner? If as you say he is a striker then he is hardly back-to-goal target man, or a deep-dropping playmaker, so what other style would he have?
Zzzzzzz.Absolutely Crazy. Apparently we should be embarrassed about checking up on Martial to see if selling him is going to be a mistake or a positive.
There is no reason to be embarrassed - Jose has an absolutely horrendous list of players sold that he struggled to manage - players who he chucked away for the same reasons such as mentality. Do you like Lukaku's mentality now Jose? Jose has absolutely weak spot in his ability to manage 'niche' players like de bryune which needs some further footballing understanding rather than a manager who plays him outside on the wing
Jose surely would not mind having de bryune, Salah or Lukaku now would he? No - the guy had to get these players managed by other people before being good enough for him.
Would not blink an eye lid if Pep sold martial or Zidane did but Jose Mourinho?! You got to be kidding right?
Absolutely no embarrassment in watching martial if he is sold - I'd find it interesting to see if Jose 'the un-mistaken' has made another mistake.
Enjoy Willian
At 19 he was simply a goalscorer, that's the problem with his move to United, he had things to fix as a striker and an identity to create. Which didn't happen because he was moved to a new position due to necessity, Martial was never a creative player/passer at Monaco. As for Mbappé you asked whether they were dissimilar and the answer is simply yes, they have not been playing the same roles and didn't develop the same tools.
Maybe Martial can learn it, maybe he can't but bear in mind that either way unlike Mbappé it's something "new".
A left channel forward who is made to play with partnering forward like Lukaku or Rashford who are equally channel strikers.
Martial is better at playing a bit deeper with the ball at his feet to take on the direct central defenders. He has a decent ability to play quick intricate passes from CF to CF.
He struggles against a fullback due to his lack of career as a winger as well as his games becomes predictable highlighted by his inability to take his man on by the touch line - he can only cut inwards as a winger - not the case when he plays centrally leaving him plenty of space in between the central defenders as well as the space between the central defender & the fullbacks.
To get the best of martial play :
Martial - Lukaku
With martial playing a slightly bit deeper but to the left the same way that Lukaku is better playing off the right of the central defender.
None of our strikers are target men they are all channel strikers.
All his goals for United apart from one are two arise from him playing centrally around the diameter of the box. He is nothing like wingers like hazard or neymar who have the ability to be clinical or accurate with their goals & assists from out wide. Martial is just makeshift at LW.
Even the goals for Jose - whilst placed as a winger comes in positions which are more associated to a striker/CF.
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Any rumours of transfer interest in him? For anything around 50 million?
He obviously doesn’t want to play for us and he thinks he should be a starter for a top tier club.
I think he’ll end up at Lyon or Monaco. I’m sure there’s a few of their players we’d like to swap him for.
Seems like there’s a complete lack of interest in him for the prices quoted and I’m not surprised.
He obviously doesn’t want to play for us and he thinks he should be a starter for a top tier club.
I think he’ll end up at Lyon or Monaco. I’m sure there’s a few of their players we’d like to swap him for.
Seems like there’s a complete lack of interest in him for the prices quoted and I’m not surprised.
Cute did it hurt disrespecting your dear old Jose
Atleast you managed to sound just like his football
Zzzzzzzzzz
Willian
Because he is better.
He is more dangerous and more exciting but he doesn't defend well and often forget about it. He also loses the ball even more than Sanchez, the two of them in the same team will require prime Rijkaard, Davids and Makélélé.
He's not wrong though, annoying as it may seem to you.
Oh dear, you do know you are going to get a four page numbered lecture from a certain person aimed at you sometime soon? I feel for you
Yes, it hurt deeply. And while I’m still trying to recover from that Chinese burn I got in the plauground yesterday too.Cute did it hurt disrespecting your dear old Jose
Atleast you managed to sound just like his football
Zzzzzzzzzz
Willian
Exactly - I don't enjoy saying the same thing but people ask the same exact question, the manager makes the same exact mistakes - what can I do but to give the exact same answers?
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