Martial | Di Marzio thinks he will stay

ThatsGreat said:
Wenger had asked for him as a swap for Sanchez, but he refused so he's aiming at a higher tier of clubs. He'll definitely be aiming at the likes of Juve and Bayern who won't entertain the thought of a buy back clause, heh they'll probably ask for a loan with a buy option. And Mourinho's never really stood in the way of players that have fallen out of favour with him. I mean he's let KDB, Salah, Mata go with minimum fuss, doubt he'd be bothered by Martial leaving.
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I'm pretty sure we refused the deal at the time, not Martial. Either way, out of the top clubs can't see Barcelona, Real and PSG interested.
As for Mourinho, yeah, if he isn't in his plans and Martial wants to leave he will most likely leave. But, it was same with Januzaj and Depay and we put buy-back clauses when they left.
I really rate Martial, want him to stay, but at this point in time, you really have to wonder where he is going to play (the amount of time which he needs at his age). Wouldn't be against a move in which he goes the way KDB or Salah went (good, but not elite clubs) under the condition we have the option to bring him back.
 
Jim Beam said:
I'm pretty sure we refused the deal at the time, not Martial. Either way, out of the top clubs can't see Barcelona, Real and PSG interested.
As for Mourinho, yeah, if he isn't in his plans and Martial wants to leave he will most likely leave. But, it was same with Januzaj and Depay and we put buy-back clauses when they left.
I really rate Martial, want him to stay, but at this point in time, you really have to wonder where he is going to play (the amount of time which he needs at his age). Wouldn't be against a move in which he goes the way KDB or Salah went (good, but not elite clubs) under the condition we have the option to bring him back.
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The thing is hes far more proven than either of them were when they were sold.
 
el3mel said:
In his top goal scoring season for Arsenal he was actually playing as their main striker for most of the season iirc not a second striker.
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Yeah, he was. He'd still to do pretty good from the left in a team like Liverpool's.

BusbyMalone said:
Like a lot of stats when it comes to a players' position, it will probably change from website to website. Sometimes a player will often go from one position to another in the same game so they're probably off slightly. But it's a good approximation i would have thought. I also wouldn't mind seeing Martial up front as i think he'd be more than capable. For the most part i think he's a very good clinical finisher - he's missed some easy chances, but in the main he's normally pretty cool in front of goal. That's not really going to happen with Lukaku in the team though, and Jose doesn't play with two strikers. Not in the traditional sense anyway.
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Yeah, you're right. With Mou here, there's almost zero chance he or Rashford will get much game time at striker unless Lukaku suffers a big injury (not even sure poor form would stop Mou from starting him). They both want to eventually play there though, so unless they go on loan, leave, or settle with being wingers/wide forwards long-term, they'll have to wait for at least one or two more years. With Martial being 24 by that time, he's probably worried that he may not develop properly if he sticks around, especially now that he likely won't get a lot of time at LW in the meantime with Sanchez and Rashford here also. Rashford being the academy's golden boy means there's almost no chance that the club will let him leave, so that leaves Martial as the one more likely to miss out, unless he can adapt to the right wing or Mourinho moves Sanchez there. I do think he likes the club, so if he left I wouldn't think he'd have a problem with a buyback clause, but that depends on the buying club too. I wonder if he'd be tempted by a loan, if he's that desperate for game time.

Hope he stays, but I can't fault him for thinking he might be better off elsewhere.
 
ThatsGreat said:
Wenger had asked for him as a swap for Sanchez, but he refused so he's aiming at a higher tier of clubs. He'll definitely be aiming at the likes of Juve and Bayern who won't entertain the thought of a buy back clause, heh they'll probably ask for a loan with a buy option. And Mourinho's never really stood in the way of players that have fallen out of favour with him. I mean he's let KDB, Salah, Mata go with minimum fuss, doubt he'd be bothered by Martial leaving.
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Juve accepted a buy back clause with they bought Morata from Real.
 
Jim Beam said:
I'm pretty sure we refused the deal at the time, not Martial. Either way, out of the top clubs can't see Barcelona, Real and PSG interested.
As for Mourinho, yeah, if he isn't in his plans and Martial wants to leave he will most likely leave. But, it was same with Januzaj and Depay and we put buy-back clauses when they left.
I really rate Martial, want him to stay, but at this point in time, you really have to wonder where he is going to play (the amount of time which he needs at his age). Wouldn't be against a move in which he goes the way KDB or Salah went (good, but not elite clubs) under the condition we have the option to bring him back.
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Yeah i agree. With a buyback in place it could be a decent deal for us.

I'd be happy to give him to spurs for a knockdown price, with the option to buy back in a couple of years. Similar to the Real-Morata deal.
 
Hojoon said:
Martial's a great talent but you'd think we're losing a clear potential Ballon d'Or winner, he's not even top 3 most talented players for France (Mbappe, Dembele, Lemar).
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Ah yes, Lemar who has 3 goals and 8 assists in 32 games in a league were even Bafetimbi Gomis looked like a lethal finisher. This compared to Martial, 10 goals and 11 assists in 40 games as a player used in rotation before Sanchez came in.

I'd say there are more talented players, than both Lemar and Martial within the French ranks.
 
JohnnyKills said:
Yeah i agree. With a buyback in place it could be a decent deal for us.

I'd be happy to give him to spurs for a knockdown price, with the option to buy back in a couple of years. Similar to the Real-Morata deal.
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Spurs don't do buy-back deals for incoming players.
 
JohnnyKills said:
Yeah i agree. With a buyback in place it could be a decent deal for us.

I'd be happy to give him to spurs for a knockdown price, with the option to buy back in a couple of years. Similar to the Real-Morata deal.
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Spurs are direct competition, though. And just the idea to give Levy anything for a knockdown price doesn't sit well.
 
We can sell Martial to PSG. In return we should ask for Meunier.. Veratti seems quite impossible to get.
 
pascell said:
Ah yes, Lemar who has 3 goals and 8 assists in 32 games in a league were even Bafetimbi Gomis looked like a lethal finisher. This compared to Martial, 10 goals and 11 assists in 40 games as a player used in rotation before Sanchez came in.

I'd say there are more talented players, than both Lemar and Martial within the French ranks.
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Lemar's game isn't based on goals and assists stat, he's someone who runs games. And Martial is a productive player for sure even when he isn't playing well, without his productivity he's not a great talent.
 
lads,what is with all this negative talk of Martial leaving?He will sign the 5 year contract extension.Jose will tell him,he is part of his plans.Jose has even stated it already.
 
He was having a good season before Sanchez's arrival. He was in form player, shunted on the other wing to accommodate Sanchez. Bad move IMO
 
Not surprised that he may be looking to move. Love Lukaku and Sanchez, but honestly I would not have signed either one of them when we had Martial and Rashford. Yes they were/are inexperienced, but I would have loved to have developed them into world class players as strikers. We should have signed top class wingers to provide them with the ammunition to get the goals. Neither Martial or Rashford are wingers to who can provide top class service to a striker. They may have played that position when they were younger, but both are strikers in every sense. We are seeing the lack of service to Lukaku which we could have addressed a while back.

Also Martial might have realized he is not going to fulfill his promise in Mourinho's system.
 
Damien said:
They paid €20M for Morata though. Do you really think we'd sell Martial for that much with a buy back clause?
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that's a 4 year old price you are referencing, of course the price now, considering we are in a highly inflated market, would be much higher.
 
Jim Beam said:
€20M than are about €40M today. And we shouldn't look purely from the financial point of view imo.
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poleglass red said:
that's a 4 year old price you are referencing, of course the price now, considering we are in a highly inflated market, would be much higher.
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It'd go up but with a buy back clause it'd still be around 30-40M max. Don't think the club would be happy taking a 20M hit on Martial.
 
ghagua said:
Not surprised that he may be looking to move. Love Lukaku and Sanchez, but honestly I would not have signed either one of them when we had Martial and Rashford. Yes they were/are inexperienced, but I would have loved to have developed them into world class players as strikers. We should have signed top class wingers to provide them with the ammunition to get the goals. Neither Martial or Rashford are wingers to who can provide top class service to a striker. They may have played that position when they were younger, but both are strikers in every sense. We are seeing the lack of service to Lukaku which we could have addressed a while back.

Also Martial might have realized he is not going to fulfill his promise in Mourinho's system.
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Rashford and Martial are in their early 20s. Neither of them is good enough to lead the line. Rashford has played so much at the tender age of 20 yet people complain about their lack of playing time. I don't think any other big club has given these many opportunities to younger players.

Patience used to be the key for younger players. Not anymore. All the fame and greedy agents have taken over the game.
 
ayushreddevil9 said:
Rashford and Martial are in their early 20s. Neither of them is good enough to lead the line. Rashford has played so much at the tender age of 20 yet people complain about their lack of playing time. I don't think any other big club has given these many opportunities to younger players.

Patience used to be the key for younger players. Not anymore. All the fame and greedy agents have taken over the game.
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People who say that about wanting Rashford and Martial leading the line are strangely the same people who would moan if neither scored more than 15 for the season and we finished 7th or so.
 
Alabaster Codify7 said:
People who say that about wanting Rashford and Martial leading the line are strangely the same people who would moan if neither scored more than 15 for the season and we finished 7th or so.
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Also Martial has much better output as a winger. Rashford looks a bit out of place sometimes but not Martial.
 
Holy feck, the amount of times people bring up the goals and assists stat to defend Martial. Ronaldo and Messi have completely ruined the way some people view the game.

Goals and assists are a fraction of what makes a player. Lingard has a worse goals and assists output but is picked ahead of Martial in certain games because his qualities match the demands of the game. The same can be said for when Martial is picked ahead of Lingard.

Thinking that Martial is our 'best' attacker is completely warped. The only attackers that are the 'best' are top top players that have no shortcomings in their game.

Why does Hazard start every game for Chelsea? Because he can do everything required of a wide attacker. He can run wide and cross, he can dribble past multiple players regularly, he can pick a pass, he can play as an extra midfielder.
 
ayushreddevil9 said:
Rashford and Martial are in their early 20s. Neither of them is good enough to lead the line. Rashford has played so much at the tender age of 20 yet people complain about their lack of playing time. I don't think any other big club has given these many opportunities to younger players.

Patience used to be the key for younger players. Not anymore. All the fame and greedy agents have taken over the game.
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It would do you a world of good to read the actual post before responding. The post does mention "inexperience and development".

Also patience and greed is not always the issue, sometimes players realize they may not be a system fit or do not like the style of play.
 
I will only think about selling Martial to Spurs. And only if we are able to convince them to give us Christian Eriksen in a swap deal.
 
Donald Dodd said:
lads,what is with all this negative talk of Martial leaving?He will sign the 5 year contract extension.Jose will tell him,he is part of his plans.Jose has even stated it already.
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Cheers to some optimism!

I saw something earlier today on ESPN about Mourinho positive that Martial will stay. I'm happy to go with that until I see his announcement for another club or something else concrete .
 
ghagua said:
It would do you a world of good to read the actual post before responding. The post does mention "inexperience and development".

Also patience and greed is not always the issue, sometimes players realize they may not be a system fit or do not like the style of play.
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Which has not been mentioned anywhere? The issue is that he's worried he won't get enough games. He's not the first extremely talented youngster playing at a top club who is behind more experienced or better players. If he isn't willing to wait for his chance, then all power to him though.
 
Damien said:
It'd go up but with a buy back clause it'd still be around 30-40M max. Don't think the club would be happy taking a 20M hit on Martial.
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What price are you using for what we paid. Wasn't it 36 mill quid. That's besides the point. He goes to juve, plays regular football and his stock rises. We take back a footballer that has got better n use him or sell him for profit. Real sold mortara for 20 mil to juve bought him back for 30 then sold to Chelsea for 60.martial right now is a sub for us, Can't make the French team. One good season at a club like juve n he's back in the French team, his value increases.hes young enough to still make it at utd but he needs to play and with Sanchez now here he won't. Let another club develop our talent.
 
poleglass red said:
What price are you using for what we paid. Wasn't it 36 mill quid. That's besides the point. He goes to juve, plays regular football and his stock rises. We take back a footballer that has got better n use him or sell him for profit. Real sold mortara for 20 mil to juve bought him back for 30 then sold to Chelsea for 60.martial right now is a sub for us, Can't make the French team. One good season at a club like juve n he's back in the French team, his value increases.hes young enough to still make it at utd but he needs to play and with Sanchez now here he won't.
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I'm talking euros. We have paid €60M so far including the first add-on clause.
 
Mourinho wont use him as a main striker for a thousand years anyway. He always needs his target man to be physically very very strong, some beasts with the profile of Drogba, Milito, Adebayor, Diego Costa. Jose was never pleased with the likes of Sheva, Benzema or Torres.

He didnt believe Rashford in that role and brought here Zlatan and Romelu, why would he ever give that to Martial who doesnt fit his striker profile as much as Rashford?
 
suhaylah said:
We can sell Martial to PSG. In return we should ask for Meunier.. Veratti seems quite impossible to get.
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Meunier is contemplating a move to Everton (supposedly); you give PSG Martial for someone like Neymar. Not some right back who wants to go to a midtable PL team.
 
Jibbs said:
I will only think about selling Martial to Spurs. And only if we are able to convince them to give us Christian Eriksen in a swap deal.
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I would volunteer to pack Martial bags and watch his kids for a week, if we could get Eriksen in return.
 
Would have liked him here but not sure hes better than Son and we have 5 attacking mids as it is, although in saying that i have no idea whats going on with Moura who seems to have disappeared off the face of the earth.
 
ghagua said:
It would do you a world of good to read the actual post before responding. The post does mention "inexperience and development".

Also patience and greed is not always the issue, sometimes players realize they may not be a system fit or do not like the style of play.
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I have actually responded to your claim that you wouldn't have signed Sanchez and Lukaku and would rather develop Rashford and Martial. These days instant success is required and no manager is afforded a lot of time. What do you think? Are they 30 goal strikers already? Can Manchester United afford to go years without trophies which could be a realistic scenario?
 
Hope that we can convince him to sign a new contract. Wouldn't blame him for leaving though, as a kid with his talent could start for a lot of clubs.
For a player who is only 22 he is doing well and it will still be 2-4 years before he hits his peak. Lots to come from Martial still, you never know if he will reach the heights his talent deserves though.

Not sure United is the right place for young players right now. Mourinho has his favourites and in an ideal world for him he has a starting XI that plays most games, leaving the bench options with rather limited time. That hasn't been the case so far, but with the likes of Alexis coming in and defense + midfield being solved next window, some players will be left a bit in the dark i think.

Let's see what happens. I won't blame anyone if Martial decides he wants to be somewhere else.
 
Sterling Archer said:
Are you saying Martial is worse than Mata? I'm saying if Martial should have nailed down a spot when his competition for places on the wings was minimal. And none of that left over right side nonsense. At his age with his talent he should be comfortable across the front line.
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No he doesnt have to be, all players are either left footed or right footed, that means they prefer one over the other. Yes they all can play anyside but there will always be limitations in their game.
 
Akshay said:
Of course not every player who can dribble has to be a winger, but it's definitely more suited for a player who has that as his main strength? He's nowhere as good at incisive passing, hold up play, or finishing as he is at beating his man. If you look at the best strikers in the world they have more rounded skill sets. Maybe Martial can develop that in time but at present he's not striker material.

As to finishing range, it's not simply a matter of where he slots the ball. It's the type of shots he can take. He very rarely scores on volleys, or on chances where he doesn't have time to dribble a bit before shooting. He's not particularly good in the air nor does he score from range. His finishing rate is best when he gets the ball and drives into a shooting position. Again, that's more suited to a player who comes inside from wide then a player who stays central and gets the ball closer to goal.
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Most of Messi's goals are him rolling it wide into the post with his left feet. Is he a limited striker too?
 
divad said:
and i clearly said that it did only happen in hes first season.. beacuse he was in much better positions in the attack due to the system.

edit: how many goals do u tihnk Salah would had if he played rw for us?
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Salah under Mourinho would be on the bench being criticised for not putting in crosses or for not covering Valencia at RB.
 
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