Not for practically free though. I know mkhi has 30M book value, but considering mhki is almost useless to us swapping him with Sanchez is like a free bargain.
Martial | Di Marzio thinks he will stay
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Not for practically free though. I know mkhi has 30M book value, but considering mhki is almost useless to us swapping him with Sanchez is like a free bargain.
i think Higuain is the main reason why Juve couldnt make it further in Champions League all recent years. He always disappeared in key matches where they needed him most. He has the same profile of Cavani
Yes, except that Rashford didnt have a leaving report from French god source Mohamed Bouhafsi. As i said, he tweeted that at the very sensitive moment. If you look at the past, you'll see he used to use his twitter account to deny false report about his future many times, but still not this time
Nah, it produced 4 first lines of my post. The rest are possibilities about his next club and his price
Make sure you stretch before you reach for such ridiculous conclusions, you might hurt yourself.
I'd love to see him under Klopp, think he'd be great in our system and a formidable backup to Salah/Mane/Firminho.
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Mike down the chippy.
Are you saying Martial is worse than Mata? I'm saying if Martial should have nailed down a spot when his competition for places on the wings was minimal. And none of that left over right side nonsense. At his age with his talent he should be comfortable across the front line.
Dembele and Lemar are seriously over rated, both been pretty poor this season compared to last season. Mbappe tho looks Scary good
in fairness if the reports are correct you cant blame the young lad, thought him and rashford had done pretty well on the LW this season, and thought Sanchez would have went on the RW when we signed him, if he aint going to be starting then let him progress somewhere else, what kind of market value would you guys put him at ?
Have to agree with that, as he's apparently so good according to certain posters on here.
Want him to stay but he's got to show more determination to play for the team. That's what makes a great player. Look not so long ago at Dave, he was having issues and being rotated by Sir Alex. Came through it a better man and a much better player.
Jog your memory a bit and recall the best wide players around now and in the recent past and then try to remember how many were as good on both flanks.
€100m with a buy back clause would seem fair for a squad player
Or, like about 1 million other people on twitter last night... he just thought it was a cracking game of football
Whilst I agree with you, it doesn't look like he tweeted anything about our recent (and also dramatic) derby win, which is perhaps a tad strange.
But yeah, we're probably reading too much into it.
Mike, second name Smalling. Does that help?
That's not at all reassuring
I think that I have 4 and they aren't exactly the best. Coman, Pedro, Carrasco and Douglas Costa. I'm tempted to add Sanchez but he isn't really as good on both wings.
Can anyone realistically say Martial would have done better than Sanchez in the 2nd half at City? His turn for the first goal, and his vision for the next two goals is something I don't think Martial has the intelligence, the skills or the guile to do. People are writing off Sanchez so they could say Martial was a better option than him on the left.
Also I ask a simple question to all those posters who think he is near about world class. So for a 22 year old, he can't adjust his game to play elsewhere. Maybe not as good but still better than Mata who is himself a converted winger? Or are they saying Mata is better than Martial?(but then he'd not be nearing beating world class because Mata is definitely not world class). Awaiting answers from Martial FC supporters.
Also I ask a simple question to all those posters who think he is near about world class. So for a 22 year old, he can't adjust his game to play elsewhere. Maybe not as good but still better than Mata who is himself a converted winger? Or are they saying Mata is better than Martial?(but then he'd not be nearing beating world class because Mata is definitely not world class). Awaiting answers from Martial FC supporters.
Exactly, it's a specialised role and it's very rare to have someone equally good on either flank but apparently it's time Martial was up to the task.
In other addition to that, not only is his heart set on Juve, but having seen Buffon get sent off his emojis clearly suggest he fancies going in goal next season.
He's a left winger through and through, I never get why people keep calling for him to be subbed on as striker. He can do it but it's not his best position by any means. I think if we had another dribbler like him on the right flank and better fullbacks it would work, but if he's the only one beating his man it's too easy to double up on him. And then Martial just starts losing the ball too often.
Mata has played wide for almost the entirety of his career, he was mainly wide for Valencia. And Martial adapted his game to play elsewhere, he moved from striker to left inside forward/winger.
Yes it was!
Being positioned wide and playing wide is a bit different though. Mata's starting position with us is mostly wide right but he mostly plays in the middle or to support the left flank when we attack.
What a player he will be when there is established some sort of consistency and he adopt Sanchez’ workerate.
I get Tevez vibes from the media spin of. «Oh no, Berbatov arrives, instead of raising my level and retain my spot in the starting eleven, I fold like a leaf and run off to the noisy neighbours».
I get Tevez vibes from the media spin of. «Oh no, Berbatov arrives, instead of raising my level and retain my spot in the starting eleven, I fold like a leaf and run off to the noisy neighbours».
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I'm not sure about the relevance of that since I'm talking about Mata's entire career. The post I responded to was criticizing Martial ability to adapt to a new position and used Mata as an example, Mata has played wide for the better part of his career, that's where he was playing for Valencia, it's not new.
He wasn't even signed as a LW. He has 78 appearances as a striker and 83 as a LW according to transfermarkt. A huge majority of his appearances at LW are with us, after we moved him there due to Depay flopping, so he was mainly a striker before he moved here. To say he's more naturally a winger than striker is wrong.
If Spurs want him, we should ask for Eriksen in return.
I think this becomes a longer discussion if we do that delving into what a modern winger is, noting that you could even split it up between traditonal winger, wide attacker that prefers to cut inside and then wingbacks that seem to do more of what old school wingers did.
All that aside, Martial is right foot dominant. If he can't play on the right wing that's just a pathetic excuse and mindset.
Well if he adapts he can make the RW all to himself no competition at all. It's not like our wingers are static through the game, they can swap he can get some time on the left too. It feels like a mentality issue to me
1st Season - He was the main guy, our 19-year-old prodigy and future Balon d'Or contestant destined to great things. And he delivered to a certain extent
2nd Season - Lost his number quite easily. Immediate thoughts are he is not indispensable, contrary to the assurances provided by the manager(who is sacked) and club last season
3rd Season Start - Has to prove himself again. More competition for spaces in the team. Does well in the initial part of the season and then fails to make the spot his own.
3rd season cont... A more established PL proven player is signed and he loses out his position and his confidence.
Now he has two options, stay fight for his place and prove he can cut it here or move and still be a great player elsewhere where the pressure is not much. Judging purely by his demeanor you can imagine what choice he will make.
Whats interesting is, you could say the similar (Almost) things about Rashford as well. The only difference is Rashford is eager to put club above him and has adapted to the circumstances and has gained the trust of Jose.
1st Season - He was the main guy, our 19-year-old prodigy and future Balon d'Or contestant destined to great things. And he delivered to a certain extent
2nd Season - Lost his number quite easily. Immediate thoughts are he is not indispensable, contrary to the assurances provided by the manager(who is sacked) and club last season
3rd Season Start - Has to prove himself again. More competition for spaces in the team. Does well in the initial part of the season and then fails to make the spot his own.
3rd season cont... A more established PL proven player is signed and he loses out his position and his confidence.
Now he has two options, stay fight for his place and prove he can cut it here or move and still be a great player elsewhere where the pressure is not much. Judging purely by his demeanor you can imagine what choice he will make.
Whats interesting is, you could say the similar (Almost) things about Rashford as well. The only difference is Rashford is eager to put club above him and has adapted to the circumstances and has gained the trust of Jose.
Actually now that I think about it, I'm doubling down on the position opinion. Given how highly everyone rates Martial, myself included, he should be able to adapt to whatever side.
If he will be great then he can look at Ronaldo, Messi, Robben as all having played in various positions and maintained excellent performances through the varying roles. Even with Alexis he's moved around well. A half decade of great performances and I'll consider Martial as exclusive selection for one position. Til then he has to earn that as much as a starting spot in general.
If he will be great then he can look at Ronaldo, Messi, Robben as all having played in various positions and maintained excellent performances through the varying roles. Even with Alexis he's moved around well. A half decade of great performances and I'll consider Martial as exclusive selection for one position. Til then he has to earn that as much as a starting spot in general.
Agreed 100%.
If I were him, I would speak to Jose and ask what he needs to do to be included. If Jose says that I want you to work harder or fight harder on the pitch (ie. don't sulk, head down, etc), then that's what I would do.
Personally, I would fight for this.
Martial (and I don't know how much of the reports are true), appears to be want to be given playing time based on his talent and because he feels entitled.
If the manager does not feel he is working hard enough or the right fit for the tactics, then the manager has every right to bench that player.
I've seen Galactico class players benched (rightly or wrongly) and even sold. And Martial certainly is not a Galactico class player and has a long way to go.
And this wrapping up in cotton wool and being treated with kid gloves of our left sided players (Shaw/Martial) is getting ridiculous. These are grown men who need to learn to fight for themselves and what's theirs. IMO, players like Shaw and Martial have no fight in them and perhaps Jose wants to see that from them.
There is no doubt that he is talented.
I believe that the problem Jose has with him is his attitude and demeanour.
I can only assume that Jose feels that Martial should work harder during games and/or in training. Martial can fight for this, or he can leave for another club. And TBH, I wouldn't blame him.
Well I hope he wasn’t playing around on his phone directly after our derby win and that he was celebrating with the lads.
No way are we going to do that. We are the one holding all the cards, it would not make any sense for us to loan him to them.
A swap deal (with money involved) would make sense, if we are interested in signing one of their players (Eg Sandro).
Although I hope Jose sorts it out and convinces him to stay. We have more than enough money to buy those players without having to send someone the other way. I am expecting a clear out this summer, so selling Martial in addition to those squad/fringe players doesn't make sense for us.
It's shit he's leaving but it's his choice. Not like we are trying to flog him off, we offered him a 5 year contract.
He's is unplayable when he's at his best but at his worse, he keeps killing the momentum with his backward passes or losing the dribble, and he puts the LB under enormous pressure with his lack of tracking back. The variance is in performance is huge and you never know which one with turn up.
He's not ready for a starter role for a team that has championship aspirations. Does anyone think he would slot straight into City's starting XI?
Sanchez would and I bet everyone that said we shouldn't sign Sanchez now would've been up in arms is we had the opportunity and didn't sign him just to save a spot for Martial.
If you are good enough you play regardless of age. That does not mean we reserve a spot for you when you're not ready (yet). If you are patient and you fight for a place, you'll eventually be good enough to hold that spot down.
If you think that's beneath you and rather go somewhere else then that's fine, we'll manage with other players that want to fight for the club.
It's ridiculous people are blaming Jose for signing one of the best players in the league and playing him in his best position. It's not his fault Martial got no fight in him and rather leave. Mourinho don't have the luxury to only focus on the long term game, none of our managers will have that luxury until they sort out the short term first (ie. Get more trophies first).
He's is unplayable when he's at his best but at his worse, he keeps killing the momentum with his backward passes or losing the dribble, and he puts the LB under enormous pressure with his lack of tracking back. The variance is in performance is huge and you never know which one with turn up.
He's not ready for a starter role for a team that has championship aspirations. Does anyone think he would slot straight into City's starting XI?
Sanchez would and I bet everyone that said we shouldn't sign Sanchez now would've been up in arms is we had the opportunity and didn't sign him just to save a spot for Martial.
If you are good enough you play regardless of age. That does not mean we reserve a spot for you when you're not ready (yet). If you are patient and you fight for a place, you'll eventually be good enough to hold that spot down.
If you think that's beneath you and rather go somewhere else then that's fine, we'll manage with other players that want to fight for the club.
It's ridiculous people are blaming Jose for signing one of the best players in the league and playing him in his best position. It's not his fault Martial got no fight in him and rather leave. Mourinho don't have the luxury to only focus on the long term game, none of our managers will have that luxury until they sort out the short term first (ie. Get more trophies first).
He could play RB, the more pertinent question is if that's the right use of his talents and the answer is an obvious No. That's not a slight on him either, very few wide players are even close to being as good on either flank. As I said, a quick recall of players who fit the criteria is all you need to realise that
Martial plus £50m for Pjanic and Alex Sandro.