Yeah, I agree that some of it is over the line. Unfortunately it's the nature of fandom. Particularly on the internet.
Martial agent looking for a new club for him
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Well said. Who long does the team wait for him to show consistency? He blows hot and cold depending on his mood. He has been here long enough and is at an age where he should be tearing up the league with his skills. Also, the question arises, where is he going to play? We have Ronaldo for at least 2 years, Cavani for one more, plus we have Greenwood. On the wings, we have Rashford, Sancho, Greenwood, and the emerging Elanga.
Find a taker for him and get rid of even if it means we don't get the transfer fee we are looking for.
I’m sure you know that transfers are a lot more complicated than that. Even if Juve didn’t enquire about him (which we wouldn’t necessarily know about) there’s a million possible reasons for that. Using the fact that Martial hasn’t ended up at Juve as a criticism is just flimsy.
I'm aware how transfers work and I'm also pretty sure Romero would be all over Juventus sounding out Martial. Just simply saying that if he was any good, there's a bunch of top European clubs looking for a striker right now, none have even looked our way for him with the exception of Inter.
People sometimes said the same thing about players like Mark Hughes... not liking his body language on the pitch...too quiet....too reserved...not showing the passion etc.
However he always had the knack of being in the right place at the right time. He got his share of scrappy goals by following in on others shots and picking off rebounds.
He was always available to receive the ball, hold it up and then release it to a teammate bursting into the box.
He did the sort of things strikers have to do. He's remembered for all the stunning volleys of course, but he also did all the basics.
There's no set model of a striker, you can be slow and mercurial (Berbatov) or fiesty and terrier like (Tevez) or the big tall guy (Lewa) or the floaty drifter (Henry) but Martial offers none of these defined roles and most importantly offers no consistency.
If you don't know what you are going to get you can't build an effective attack. His time at the club has marked a period when inadequacy has been accepted and standards have fallen.
That should end now.
How many of those clubs can afford his wages? Does Martial want to leave? Can these clubs afford the fee United would ask for? Is CF a priority for these teams? And if so, are these teams convinced that CF is his best position?
Using the fact that Juve signed Kean is an extremely simplistic way of looking at things and just seems a bit irrational to be honest.
I didn’t know that some felt that way about Hughes to be honest, and I wouldn’t argue with the rest of your post.
Just to be clear, I have no issue with people not rating Martial, particularly in his current guise. I just think the disrespect and abuse he gets is unwarranted.
Perhaps not, but he is simply surplus to requirements. It doesn’t mean he is not a good player - it means we don’t need him at all, because we have many better attackers.
Yes. And I don't understand how some are still backing him to stay when we have at least 3 players ahead of him even when he was at his peak (CR7, Cavani, Rashford). He's surplus to requirements and we have to plan for the future. The wages and fees we save on can be funneled into a new player with huge potential. Isn't that what the club is about, too?
He’s got arsenal written all over him, he’s a player at their level.
No one hates Martial, he’s just not good enough. He‘s had six years.
I fear for our midfielders if Ronaldo and Martial together start. A 36 year old will put more effort than him in pressing and playing with intensity. It's his lazy attitude that makes me want to get rid of him more than anything.
Exactly. Hes the type of mediocre player we need to get rid of if we want to raise the bar and start winnin trophies again.
There's no chance Martial starts with Ronaldo unless he works doubly hard defensively. We also have Rashford, Cavani and Greenwood ahead of him in the pecking order. A bit part player on his wages is unacceptable.
Watch the footage of Greenwoods goal against Wolves for a prime but of Martial action....as the ball goes in Martial appears doing his "I'm running" run that actually is slower than a fast walk and then continues to amble over to his teammates to celebrate.
The guy is a fraud . He's not fit to wear a training shirt, never mind hold down a place in our squad.
The guy is a fraud . He's not fit to wear a training shirt, never mind hold down a place in our squad.
Fingers crossed he leaves. Getting rid of Martial would be even better than signing Ronaldo
As long as Cavani stays, i say get rid. He just doesnt want to play football, or not for us anyway.
His lack of effort bemuses me. Berbatov wasnt fast and was classed as a lazy player , but that was how he played and he done a pretty good job of it. Martial has pace to burn but always looks like hes only hurrying for the bus.
I think he will go next year along with Mata/Lingard and that will free up massive wages to throw at Haaland.
I think he will go next year along with Mata/Lingard and that will free up massive wages to throw at Haaland.
Martial runs to chase down the ball, like I’d run into no mans land with a helmet and harsh words. Charlatan.
Hate may be extreme, but there is definite disdain. Look at the most recent posts in this thread, after a decent cameo at the weekend, he's being called a fraud, charlatan, doesn't want to play football etc. It's very ott for me.
6 years and he's actually no better than he was when he first signed - arguably more of an asset as a 19 year old in Van Gaal's team. Is one of the highest earners in the squad if reports are to be believed.
I bear no hate, but I definitely would rather he wasn't a United player at this point if it was possible - especially based on his form last season pre-injury.
Please note - I was firmly Martial FC between 2015 and 2018
Kean's best season in his career: 7 goals
Martial's worst season: 7 goals
Absolutely nothing wrong with wanting him to be sold, his performances over the last year warrant it, the only issue I have is the constant torrent of disrespect.6 years and he's actually no better than he was when he first signed - arguably more of an asset as a 19 year old in Van Gaal's team. Is one of the highest earners in the squad if reports are to be believed.
I bear no hate, but I definitely would rather he wasn't a United player at this point if it was possible - especially based on his form last season pre-injury.
Please note - I was firmly Martial FC between 2015 and 2018
Probably better if he gets a decent amount of game time, given that last year's tally was a bit of an anomaly for him in terms of goals scored.
Anyway, I just realised I was chatting shit anyway, Kean scored 17 goals last season for PSG, so maybe he is better at this point in time
My mistake.If the presence doesn't change Martial's approach to his offensive game, I am not sure anything will really. Having said that, if Martial ended up staying, I am hopeful that the lack of playing time, and CR7's influences all around the club will *finally* wake him up.
Laurie Whitwell on Twitter: "Manchester United not planning to entertain offers for Edinson Cavani or Anthony Martial. Ole Gunnar Solskjaer wants both forwards in his squad. #MUFC @TheAthleticUK https://t.co/QLMPmAcxV4" / Twitter
I must admit I groan inwardly at this (Martial, not Cavani). With DJ out and CR in, it's obvious that left wing is going to be his new main spot, and I just cannot bring myself to see that as possibly a good idea.
I must admit I groan inwardly at this (Martial, not Cavani). With DJ out and CR in, it's obvious that left wing is going to be his new main spot, and I just cannot bring myself to see that as possibly a good idea.
there seems to be a more professional aspect to the team. Players like Ronaldo, Varane, Fernandes and even Cavani. They will be more demanding of their teammates, we saw Varane giving Pogba a verbal lashing during the euros. When you play with that level of quality and their demands it surely has to motivate the players around them. Martial has talent, we know that, but games pass him by. You can argue injury, lack of form etc. His cameo at the weekend was okay, but it was an improvement from the previous week. He doesn't need to play centrally anymore, that's not his position. He looks more comfortable from the left. With the players we have now, he will have to play his way into the team and that could be good for him.
Martial trouble has that he has never been that good Under pressure
I don't get the club's insistence on Martial. He has been a nothing player ever since we brought him, except a small number of purple patches he's had over the years. Mourinho was absolutely right and we should have sold him a long time ago.
I'm starting to question Ole here that he still can't see Pogba's best role is on the left is the reason why he is still insisted to keep Martial the 250k p.w player.
We need Murtough and Fletcher to step in and tell Ole that 250k p/w for bench player is too much. We have Rashford on the left, Pogba is best on the left, Sancho can play on the left, Lingard can also cover the left area and he is only on 75k p.w, and we have Diallo. Let him go to PSG and buy a midfielder so we can push Pogba on his best role where he will produce lot of assists.
We need Murtough and Fletcher to step in and tell Ole that 250k p/w for bench player is too much. We have Rashford on the left, Pogba is best on the left, Sancho can play on the left, Lingard can also cover the left area and he is only on 75k p.w, and we have Diallo. Let him go to PSG and buy a midfielder so we can push Pogba on his best role where he will produce lot of assists.
If I remember correctly, Spurs did make an approach for Martial while Pochettino was at the club, so there could be some truth in PSG's interest. It looks like Mbappe is staying until next summer, but I expect we'll be looking to offload Martial by then and would probably welcome a bid from a club that's financially backed by a nation state!
Berba was a word class player. He does his pressing too and if you pass the ball to him most of the time he would keep it and make a good pass. I don't think he is lazy either. I would say his judgement in not running after lost causes is fantastic. He was the PL joint top scorer despite Fergie not giving him the chance to be by not playing him in many games.
Martial looks like he doesn't want to be here anymore. He is still a very talented player and would come good in a different club.
I could see the case for not giving up on him as main striker quite yet, given his strong 19-20 campaign (although I wouldn't agree with it, I think. And if that spot was open, which it clearly no longer is). But what I struggle with is why we should keep him if he's our 3rd or 4th choice as striker, and need to be slotted in as second choice at left wing, despite the fact that we have lots of other options there (at least two of whom are better than him). I just can't make that make sense.
My biggest issue with him is the complete lack of fight in him. Any time everything isnt just right, either at the club or at home he becomes a passenger.
Ole won't let anyone go, he is a hoarder. Even if they never play they are in his plans.
Thank God you aren't manager because any knowledgeable person will know we are severely lacking with direct attackers. Rashford is currently injured and we are about to sell James. Pogba also hasnt signed a new contract which means there is the possibility of losing him on a free. Martial is getting back to fitness and will feature a lot this season when he is ready. Both Martial and Rashford are the only remaining blistering attackers available and you are willing to let one go so late in the window???
Just because you read all the shite the cafe says about Martial doesn't mean Manchester united officials think the same.
If there is interest now, sell him now. We are well covered at CF.
The money can go into a pot for the next window even if we don’t sign a midfielder this summer
The money can go into a pot for the next window even if we don’t sign a midfielder this summer
Lacking? Take a look at these:
Ronaldo
Pogba Bruno Greenwood
Cavani
Rashford Lingard Sancho
Diallo is waiting for his chance too. There are literary enough attackers there. 250k p/w wages is a lot for player who is not 1st choice or even 2nd choice. that 250k p/w could be used to offer Pogba a new contract to prevent him leaving for free.
While I agree that having a 250k/week player planted on the bench is good management, I don't believe there is an issue with the club being unable to afford new wages for Pogba, I think it's a matter of in the even that Pogba decides to stay, do we want to pay him what he will demand given the impact his wages will have on other players' wage demands? While I know that CR7 has taken a Sanchez-sized sledge hammer to our wage structure, CR7 is an exception that others at the club simply cannot not reference when making their own wage demands. Paying Pogba 400-500k/week would have significant inflationary impact on Bruno, Rashford and (hopefully) Haaland.
Can he play Dm?