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Some of you want to sell this guy? Even worse for just 35m pounds? Should all be ashamed of yourselves.
Forgot you only judge players on two minute you tube clips
Some of you want to sell this guy? Even worse for just 35m pounds? Should all be ashamed of yourselves.
Some of you want to sell this guy? Even worse for just 35m pounds? Should all be ashamed of yourselves.
Why hasn't he took part in pre season?
I've not kept up with his injury but he's been out a long time and there is no sign of him so far this pre season.
Or maybe ha had a relapse.He's been in training away from the group. Supposed to be joining in on Monday. Ole is a big fat fibber because he said he might be ready for the Europa final 2 months ago. Obviously it was more severe than we were told.
Nobody here can tell you that. Obviously his confidence was completely shot, but we're not mind readers to know why. Maybe it was just due to his poor start to the season giving him the yips and not being able to drag himself out of it, maybe he was having personal issues off the field, maybe he was having actual mental health problems, etc. It is extremely unlikely he just 'couldn't be bothered to show up'.Question to all Martial defenders here: what the feck happened last season? We all started slowly, fine, but we were in the foxhole in the EL and in a great place at the turn of the year in the PL, but Martial couldn’t be bothered to show up and put in the effort. Why?
Didn't have to bother, someone else did it for me...
Listen Anthony, it's nothing against you personally. Actually it is, pull your finger out your arse and stop moping about the pitch!
Some of you want to sell this guy? Even worse for just 35m pounds? Should all be ashamed of yourselves.
Over 11,000 minutes of football played in a season and Martial's highlight reel is less than 2...
That says it all to be honest.
I don’t think anyone is suggesting he can’t be a good player but after 5 years and only one standout season the mean is not the good seasons, is the average to bad ones.11,000 mins? If a player plays every min and reach all Cup finals they end up playing around 60 games which is around 5400 mins, which probably never happened.
On the actual point, there is much bigger highlight reel, just because some twitter account decided to make 2 mins reel (which is usually the standard on twitter for some reason) doesn't mean that's all the highlight reel he got.
Anyways Martial had poor season, don't think anyone denies that. But when he is at his best like 19-20, he is very good player.
I don’t think anyone is suggesting he can’t be a good player but after 5 years and only one standout season the mean is not the good seasons, is the average to bad ones.
Rate Henry's predatory instincts for us. Would love to know how you'd analyse his style of play given he's one of the best strikers the Premier league has ever seen and a player whose style of play is very similar to Martials.
Martial similar to Henry in style of play?
what are you smoking?
or is it because they’re both French and Black? Next thing maybe you’ll bring up is they grew up two houses apart?
So do you think Henry had the movement and predatory instincts of a top class no.9?
So do you think Henry had the movement and predatory instincts of a top class no.9?
do you?
Some of you want to sell this guy? Even worse for just 35m pounds? Should all be ashamed of yourselves.
Henry might not have had the predatory instincts of a top-class no.9, but he scored the goals to win Arsenal the title. something that we can only dream Martial will come close to
It would be magical to see some consistency and eagerness on the pitch from himMartial is a magic player. Capable of things that few others can do, on his day. I would be happy for him to stay, but if he wants a move and we can get a decent fee, it seems like a good time for us to part ways.
But he knew where the goal was and when to shoot, the knowing when to shoot is what martial lacks he could easily add 10 more goals a season by just taking his shot earlier instead of constantly dribbling into trouble, take a shot the keeper might feck up, it might get deflected, it might rebound to your players.Henry was a top class no.9 who was not an instinctual box player at all.
Didn't have to bother, someone else did it for me...
These are all a big dose of confirmation bias. Martial's stats don't back most of those claims up, in fact a big chunk of his goals have come against lower league opposition in cup games or inferior opposition in the Europa League.Which of these are not considered as a good season?
2015-16 when he was arguably our best attacker and only hope in the first half of the season, later Rashford made debut who did decent job in second half.
2017-18 where he made most of whatever available time he got.
2018-19 season when he saved Jose's ass by winning few games.
2019-20 which is arguably his best season.
These are all a big dose of confirmation bias. Martial's stats don't back most of those claims up, in fact a big chunk of his goals have come against lower league opposition in cup games or inferior opposition in the Europa League.
You've only got to look at Cavani's game to realise how badly we're missing a quality striker and that Martial had us all fooled for a while that he was one. I'm not saying he definitely won't go on to be a great player but at this stage you wouldn't be frowned upon for betting against him becoming world class.
Martial's game is severely lacking in certain area's to ever really be an effective number 9, and part of the problem is he's not the best in any position we have in the forward line now. For someone who's on £250k a week he should be doing enough to make sure his name is one of the first on the team sheet.
Out of 78 goals he’s scored for us, 55 have been in the league. He’s only scored 6 in the league cup and 5 in the FA Cup. How can you call someone else bias when you try and discredit anything good he’s ever done? You tried to claim that Bellion and Michael Owen were better for United than him maybe you’re the one with an agenda?These are all a big dose of confirmation bias. Martial's stats don't back most of those claims up, in fact a big chunk of his goals have come against lower league opposition in cup games or inferior opposition in the Europa League.
You've only got to look at Cavani's game to realise how badly we're missing a quality striker and that Martial had us all fooled for a while that he was one. I'm not saying he definitely won't go on to be a great player but at this stage you wouldn't be frowned upon for betting against him becoming world class.
Martial's game is severely lacking in certain area's to ever really be an effective number 9, and part of the problem is he's not the best in any position we have in the forward line now. For someone who's on £250k a week he should be doing enough to make sure his name is one of the first on the team sheet.
This is genuinely the most baffling (and toxic) thread. It's just person after person queuing up to slag off on their own players. And 90 percent of it is the same droning clichés that you'd expect an ABU like Jenas to wheel out, or rehashed Mourinho nonsense.
Like everyone gets that Martial was shit last season. In the other times though, he's been our top scorer and best outfield player twice, and even in the Mourinho times was largely keeping him in a job and benching Rashford and Sanchez on merit despite clearly not being his preferred player. Hardly the sulker he's made out to be.
Thankfully the people actually making decisions at this club aren't as fickle. He's not consistent enough to be a guaranteed first choice, fair, but when he's on form he's easily one of our best players. Even in the middle of a dog shit season last year, he was motm at the Etihad and scared the hell out of them whenever he had the ball.
But let's flog him for £25M and maybe have enough money to buy a a championship level striker, when Rashford is out for 3 months, and rely on an 35 year old and a 19yo who's played about 10 senior games as a CF. Makes complete sense. Just completely boggles the mind.