Martial agent looking for a new club for him

OL29 said:
To be fair, if we're using the argument that you’d expect Martial to score more as he’s played more as a striker, I’m pretty sure Rashford played in that position more in 18/19, 17/18 and 16/17, yet he only scored 5 more goals than Martial in that time, despite playing in 25 more matches. I haven't got time to go through the assists but, I’m pretty sure, Martial had a better ratio of goals and assists per game in that period than Rashford.
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Yeah, I think he did a little in that period. Over the course of their careers overall , Martial has played up front more. If we’re going back to 16/17 we’re comparing a 19 year old with 18 games under his belt to a 21 year old with 120 games. It’s not a like for like comparison. Which is why I initially used a more fair comparison.

Another thing I think we should consider is their big game impact. Rashford wins that at a landslide for me. Ultimately, I think I’ve said all I can on the argument. I’m not suggesting they’re miles apart, but when we do a comparison I only see one winner.
 
acnumber9 said:
Yeah, I think he did a little in that period. Over the course of their careers overall , Martial has played up front more. If we’re going back to 16/17 we’re comparing a 19 year old with 18 games under his belt to a 21 year old with 120 games. It’s not a like for like comparison. Which is why I initially used a more fair comparison.

Another thing I think we should consider is their big game impact. Rashford wins that at a landslide for me. Ultimately, I think I’ve said all I can on the argument. I’m not suggesting they’re miles apart, but when we do a comparison I only see one winner.
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Yeah I’m not really sure what I’m arguing because I do agree with this to be honest :lol: Rashford is undoubtedly better
 
BeforeKeanetherewasRobson said:
3 positions?

Just my opinion, but while young, Greenwood is learning but past the debut/awe stage and I don't think Sancho will have any issue settling.

I'd also rather keep Lingard over Martial... didn't think I'd say that about Lingard over hardly anyone :)

I think we start Sancho Cavani Greenwood and Rashford comes back in October. Could also play 2 of those 3 and Bruno just behind.

I want squad depth and I wouldn't bin off Martial for peanuts but if someone offered £30m+, I'd take it.
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Yep, for 3 positions.

I think that Sancho and Cavani will start, with the third position between Martial and Greenwood (Martial also deputizing Cavani in some games). Then when Rashford comes back, probably both of them go to bench.

We always complained about depth, and now we have a lot of it. No need to go back to not having depth again.

Lingard over Marrial is nonsense IMO. Martial is far better. To be fair, if he goes back to his form of the previous season, he starts ahead of everyone except Bruno and possibly Sancho. A big if, of course.
 
Idxomer said:
He only outperformed him for 1 year, stats don't support your point about the 3 years prior to last season.

They also have scored the same number of league goals with Rashford having played more games.
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He scored 13 goals and had 10 assists in 18/19 compared to Martial’s 12 goals and 3 assists. Martial had a goal or assist every 155 minutes. Rashford had a goal or assist every 143 minutes.

In 17/18 Rashford had a goal or assist every 113 minutes. Martial was every 116 minutes. Unless we’re using vastly different stats then you’re wrong. I just used Transfermarkt.

Extrapolate it over the whole period and Rashford wins comfortably. Before we consider big game performance and their respective ages.
 
So 28 pages and still no reliable reports on him leaving... I'd say this is bollocks.
 
I dont really see the benefit in letting Martial go unless we are 100% bringing in some type of replacement. Rashford will be out for a while at the start of the season and then we only have James and Sancho rotating. Not ideal.
 
Martial is probably not worth much at the moment after having his worst season but he can only get better, only way he could get worse is if he didn't play at all or starting scoring own goals.
We might be best of keeping him and getting his confidence up and perhaps trying to use him next summer when we're after another striker.
I think he can be amazing but his attitude isn't right, doesn't seem to work hard enough after a little set back but I am hoping he makes me eat humble pie this season.
 
RedPed said:
Is that where we're at now...just the effort and commitment? If that's the main criteria now then it just makes Solskjaer's job so much easier. So why were so many fans on here ragging on the likes of Rojo? Nobody could ever doubt his commitment or effort in games either. I'm guessing you have a different set of criteria for Rashford though. I keep forgetting that people are constantly confusing Martial's lack of inane grinning and theatrics with effort and commitment.
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Rashford was excellent in a number of key games last season; the same cannot be said for Martial. Off the top of my head:

PSG away: Was dangerous throughout and scored the winner
Leipzig at home: Came off the bench to score the winner
Shefflied United away: Scored two goals and drove our comeback after going a goal down
Newcastle home and away: Scored in both games and terrorised Newcastle throughout

All this while carrying a shoulder injury through the majority of the campaign. Rashford also "tore it up" so to speak on multiple occasions in 2019/20.

Back on topic; I'm a big Martial fan but we are in last chance saloon now. The competition in this team should always be high, but it's getting higher with the signing's we're making. If he doesn't raise his level this year he'll be gone, no question.
 
Unless we sign another attacker, we'll probably need him for the upcoming season. Rashford will in all likelihood be out for some time because of his shoulder.

I reckon we'll keep him for another year and then sell him next summer if he hasn't taken that final step up. His contract expires in 2024 so it's not like we have to sell him for peanuts next year.
 
acnumber9 said:
He scored 13 goals and had 10 assists in 18/19 compared to Martial’s 12 goals and 3 assists. Martial had a goal or assist every 155 minutes. Rashford had a goal or assist every 143 minutes.

In 17/18 Rashford had a goal or assist every 113 minutes. Martial was every 116 minutes. Unless we’re using vastly different stats then you’re wrong. I just used Transfermarkt.

Extrapolate it over the whole period and Rashford wins comfortably. Before we consider big game performance and their respective ages.
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Using transfermarket, they look equal in 17/18, Rashford better in 18/19, and Martial in 19/20. The only significant difference happened last season.

Their league performance over the course of their careers including last season looks almost identical.
 
Red Shorts said:
I take no issue in people's responses to my post, especially if they disagree with me as forums are all about debating.

Saying he's had 2 good seasons out of 6 is also a bit of an unfair assessment? 3 of those were through a Mourinho phase, who really didnt rate the chap and gave him fewer minutes than most of the other forwards ( still joint 2nd Goals and assist in JM's 1st season and joint 3rd in his 2nd).

Is it a coincidence when he was given more game time that he was top scorer and assist maker in those seasons? Will not argue that last season was rubbish, and the Mou/Ole transition year, but I believe in the chap if we can get consistent gametime for him.
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Them other 4 seasons were absolute stinkers. There is no doubt he has great feet and can score a worldy from time to time, but it is not enough. as I said, I'd take a Chicharito type striker over him any day of the week, someone who only cares about putting the ball in the back of the net. We might get good money for him, we have all been waiting too long for him to explode into a world class forward and it just has not happened.
 
Idxomer said:
Using transfermarket, they look equal in 17/18, Rashford better in 18/19, and Martial in 19/20. The only significant difference happened last season.

Their league performance over the course of their careers including last season looks almost identical.
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I’ve given you the stats. There’s only one in the last four years where Martial has outperformed Rashford. He did it ever so slightly in the season Rashford broke his back. Combine the four and Rashford has outperformed him over that time period, both in absolute terms and per minute. That was my initial point and all you’ve done is say nah without backing it up at all.

They don’t just play in the league though. Champions League is quite important too. And Rashford performs comfortably better there. He also performs better in big games.
 
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The United Irishman said:
Them other 4 seasons were absolute stinkers. There is no doubt he has great feet and can score a worldy from time to time, but it is not enough. as I said, I'd take a Chicharito type striker over him any day of the week, someone who only cares about putting the ball in the back of the net. We might get good money for him, we have all been waiting too long for him to explode into a world class forward and it just has not happened.
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He's a marmite character for United fans. Get where you're coming from, and if we cut our losses I would accept it, but would not be surprised at all to storm it for the next team he plays for. So seriously wont want him to stay in the PL
 
Martial is too much like pogba in that he's hit or miss and when he's not playing well it's like playing with a man down on the pitch

Clearly he's a guy that we could use to land someone else or just sell outright for 25m.....just worried that rashford will be out for a few months and don't want to be short of attacking players going into the season
 
OleBoiii said:
Unless we sign another attacker, we'll probably need him for the upcoming season. Rashford will in all likelihood be out for some time because of his shoulder.

I reckon we'll keep him for another year and then sell him next summer if he hasn't taken that final step up. His contract expires in 2024 so it's not like we have to sell him for peanuts next year.
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If his performances are as bad as last season, then he is useless as a backup.

If his performances are as bad as last season, then people would buy him only for peanuts.
 
I think it's safe to say we can't expect Martial to do any legwork on sorting out a transfer as he usually depends on others to do all the hard work for him.

He will go on a few mazy runs trying to sort out a transfer to clubs that he has no chance of breaking into.

He will then moan and complain that he is not getting the "service" from the club in finding one of his preferred options to buy him.

He will then sulk and remove himself from social media for a few weeks, imagining this will create a groundswell of public opinion in his favour.

We should just offer him out to a variety of third string clubs like Lyon, Galatasaray etc that might still be interested based on his past fleeting moments and accept the financial loss rather than have him creating a bad atmosphere.

Even with Rashford being absent for a while I'd prefer we gave some playing time to a youth prospect than indulge in Martial's petulant lazy behaviour.
 
The United Irishman said:
Them other 4 seasons were absolute stinkers. There is no doubt he has great feet and can score a worldy from time to time, but it is not enough. as I said, I'd take a Chicharito type striker over him any day of the week, someone who only cares about putting the ball in the back of the net. We might get good money for him, we have all been waiting too long for him to explode into a world class forward and it just has not happened.
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Absolute stinkers :lol:

What about the season he had 10 goals and 10 assists by January, only to be dropped for Sanchez? What about the following season where he was on fire until January and his season was effectively ended by injury? You're utterly delusional if you're referring to either of those seasons as "absolute stinkers".

It's garbage like this that allows me to sift through posters who should be taken seriously and those who shouldn't. Thanks for saving me some time.
 
hobbers said:
He's not leaving because absolutely nobody wants him for £250k a week. Not even PSG or Barca are that dumb.

And I expect Martial to be about as motivated to find a club where he can get regular football as he is at winning the ball back. Especially when he's earning double his worth here and will be halving his wage if he goes anywhere else.

Honestly his contract was a worse decision than De Gea and Jones' deals put together.
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A bit hyperbolic no?
 
Raven said:
Absolute stinkers :lol:

What about the season he had 10 goals and 10 assists by January, only to be dropped for Sanchez? What about the following season where he was on fire until January and his season was effectively ended by injury? You're utterly delusional if you're referring to either of those seasons as "absolute stinkers".

It's garbage like this that allows me to sift through posters who should be taken seriously and those who shouldn't. Thanks for saving me some time.
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Kind of the point I made during the time too. Even during his lower-performance seasons, the guy pulled good numbers through.

As much as we have exciting youth on our wings, I dont see them being ready to bring the same stats.
 
i've a feeling if Martial sticks around this season somehow he will be used as part of some sort of deal to get Haaland
 
Red Shorts said:
Kind of the point I made during the time too. Even during his lower-performance seasons, the guy pulled good numbers through.

As much as we have exciting youth on our wings, I dont see them being ready to bring the same stats.
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It's the same thing people have been saying for years. It's getting beyond tiring to try and converse with people who quite clearly have no interest in actually watching United.
 
OL29 said:
Long term I do think he'll become obsolete, I just don't see the sense in selling him this season, even if we use the funds to buy a midfielder. With Rashford looking likely to miss the start of the season, and Cavani only capable of starting one match a week, I think he'll be needed on the left wing and up top. Despite his poor form last season, he's still a better option than Dan James on the left, and arguably he knows how to play the CF position better than Greenwood.
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Sancho can play left and greenwood right. We really dont need Martial.
 
Cassidy said:
No such thing as injuries right
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Exactly. And I don’t think it’s a great idea to put so much pressure on those two to perform with Sancho being in his first season and Greenwood struggling for large parts of last season. At least Martial gives another option to rotate, and I’d sooner trust him than Dan James.
 
Raven said:
Absolute stinkers :lol:

What about the season he had 10 goals and 10 assists by January, only to be dropped for Sanchez? What about the following season where he was on fire until January and his season was effectively ended by injury? You're utterly delusional if you're referring to either of those seasons as "absolute stinkers".

It's garbage like this that allows me to sift through posters who should be taken seriously and those who shouldn't. Thanks for saving me some time.
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You are welcome. You are delusional if you think Martial has lived up to expectations. See you around, I won't miss you. :)
 
Raven said:
You said "absolute stinkers". Do you stand by that statement? Or were you just using annoying hyperbole for the sake of it?
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Of course I stand by it. Let me ask you a few questions. Do you believe Martial does not deserve any criticism? Do you believe that he has had a great United career so far? He is the one player on these forums that the slightest bit of criticism is met with fierce resistance and blind ignorance. I just call it as I see it.

I've already stated that I'd rather we sold him and get someone in like another Chicharito (someone who just scores goals). I don't know how many times we have to say it, we have been waiting for Martial to turn into a world class forward for 6 seasons now and it just has not happened. Some people in here refuse to believe that though.
 
The United Irishman said:
Of course I stand by it. Let me ask you a few questions. Do you believe Martial does not deserve any criticism? Do you believe that he has had a great United career so far? He is the one player on these forums that the slightest bit of criticism is met with fierce resistance and blind ignorance. I just call it as I see it.

I've already stated that I'd rather we sold him and get someone in like another Chicharito (someone who just scores goals). I don't know how many times we have to say it, we have been waiting for Martial to turn into a world class forward for 6 seasons now and it just has not happened. Some people in here refuse to believe that though.
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I've not given my opinion in Martial, everything you think I've said is something you've said. He deserves criticism for last season, absolutely, no issue there. But to say that he's had nothing but terrible seasons bar his 2 excellent seasons is just embarrassingly wrong and really shows how little you know about United and it's players.
 
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