Martín Zubimendi | £51m release clause
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I don't understand the first 3 sentences.
If Liverpool or another club pays the release clause in full now, isn't that going to be a 51m hit on their books for the current financial year? With Sociedad receiving 51m up front instead of five ~10m payments over 5 years?
That's Szoboszlai, Endo, Mac Allister, Gravenberch and Zubimendi all within the last 12 months for them while we're getting ready for another season of inevitably having to rely on the likes of McTominay and Eriksen for large swathes of the season
We are broke.
And maybe we’ll sell Mctominay… which ones most likely?
Ye we need Ugarte + this guy. Would be nice to have a proper DM aswell as someone who can pass a ball and control the midfield.
We’ve been broke before and then dropped a bomb. Who knows. Who knows. (We all know we aren’t signing him)
So, he look a good player and Liverpool look to be winning in the race for him. Pitty
DIdnt he say he didnt want to leave Spain though?
So anyone here actually watched him play for Real Sociedad last year or is everyone losing their shit because:
I haven't watched him play or Berge either but looking at the stats there doesn't appear to be an awful lot between them. So can anyone who watched Zubimendi play extensively explain how he is better and worth €60m and if any of the stats are misleading?
FBref Comparison(fbref actually suggested Berge as one of the players who is similar to Zubimendi so I didn't even have to go out of my way to compare them) : https://fbref.com/tiny/gPDre
- He's Spanish
- Had a good 45mins playing for a dominant Spain team against an England team who where ultra defensive?
I haven't watched him play or Berge either but looking at the stats there doesn't appear to be an awful lot between them. So can anyone who watched Zubimendi play extensively explain how he is better and worth €60m and if any of the stats are misleading?
FBref Comparison(fbref actually suggested Berge as one of the players who is similar to Zubimendi so I didn't even have to go out of my way to compare them) : https://fbref.com/tiny/gPDre
Passing
| Total | Short | Medium | Long | Expected | ||||||||||||||||||||||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Player | Span | Nation | Pos | Squad | 90s | Cmp | Att | Cmp% | TotDist | PrgDist | Cmp | Att | Cmp% | Cmp | Att | Cmp% | Cmp | Att | Cmp% | Ast | xAG | xA | A-xAG | KP | 1/3 | PPA | CrsPA | PrgP |
| Martín Zubimendi | 2023-24 | es ESP | MF | Real Sociedad | 29.5 | 1321 | 1542 | 85.7 | 22165 | 6269 | 607 | 677 | 89.7 | 607 | 677 | 89.7 | 86 | 126 | 68.3 | 1 | 1.5 | 2.0 | -0.5 | 16 | 136 | 15 | 1 | 152 |
| Sander Berge | 2023-24 | no NOR | MF | Burnley | 33.4 | 1376 | 1562 | 88.1 | 24429 | 5168 | 568 | 637 | 89.2 | 658 | 711 | 92.5 | 125 | 154 | 81.2 | 2 | 2.4 | 1.6 | -0.4 | 29 | 129 | 16 | 1 | 164 |
Pass Types
| Pass Types | Corner Kicks | Outcomes | ||||||||||||||||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Player | Span | Nation | Pos | Squad | 90s | Att | Live | Dead | FK | TB | Sw | Crs | TI | CK | In | Out | Str | Cmp | Off | Blocks |
| Martín Zubimendi | 2023-24 | es ESP | MF | Real Sociedad | 29.5 | 1542 | 1473 | 62 | 59 | 4 | 4 | 7 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1321 | 7 | 13 |
| Sander Berge | 2023-24 | no NOR | MF | Burnley | 33.4 | 1562 | 1529 | 31 | 21 | 7 | 10 | 12 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1376 | 2 | 14 |
Goal and Shot Creation
| SCA | SCA Types | GCA | GCA Types | ||||||||||||||||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Player | Span | Nation | Pos | Squad | 90s | SCA | SCA90 | PassLive | PassDead | TO | Sh | Fld | Def | GCA | GCA90 | PassLive | PassDead | TO | Sh | Fld | Def |
| Martín Zubimendi | 2023-24 | es ESP | MF | Real Sociedad | 29.5 | 55 | 1.87 | 47 | 0 | 3 | 4 | 0 | 1 | 4 | 0.14 | 4 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| Sander Berge | 2023-24 | no NOR | MF | Burnley | 33.4 | 67 | 2.01 | 63 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 8 | 0.24 | 7 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
Defensive Actions
| Tackles | Challenges | Blocks | |||||||||||||||||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Player | Span | Nation | Pos | Squad | 90s | Tkl | TklW | Def 3rd | Mid 3rd | Att 3rd | Tkl | Att | Tkl% | Lost | Blocks | Sh | Pass | Int | Tkl+Int | Clr | Err |
| Martín Zubimendi | 2023-24 | es ESP | MF | Real Sociedad | 29.5 | 49 | 27 | 18 | 29 | 2 | 23 | 42 | 54.8 | 19 | 33 | 9 | 24 | 37 | 86 | 54 | 0 |
| Sander Berge | 2023-24 | no NOR | MF | Burnley | 33.4 | 76 | 46 | 35 | 36 | 5 | 34 | 58 | 58.6 | 24 | 49 | 20 | 29 | 23 | 99 | 60 | 2 |
Possession
| Touches | Take-Ons | Carries | Receiving | ||||||||||||||||||||||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Player | Span | Nation | Pos | Squad | 90s | Touches | Def Pen | Def 3rd | Mid 3rd | Att 3rd | Att Pen | Live | Att | Succ | Succ% | Tkld | Tkld% | Carries | TotDist | PrgDist | PrgC | 1/3 | CPA | Mis | Dis | Rec | PrgR |
| Martín Zubimendi | 2023-24 | es ESP | MF | Real Sociedad | 29.5 | 1793 | 91 | 397 | 1144 | 267 | 32 | 1793 | 18 | 12 | 66.7 | 5 | 27.8 | 942 | 5305 | 2671 | 34 | 41 | 5 | 26 | 16 | 1185 | 27 |
| Sander Berge | 2023-24 | no NOR | MF | Burnley | 33.4 | 1887 | 133 | 494 | 997 | 414 | 41 | 1887 | 41 | 20 | 48.8 | 16 | 39.0 | 1076 | 6419 | 3091 | 64 | 57 | 9 | 23 | 23 | 1233 | 29 |
The short answer is "no", because for PSR we account for the fees over the length of the contract, the actual cash flow doesn't matter.
This ain’t done yet despite what’s being reported. Liverpool fans have know far too well the pissing about, low-balling lark from FSG is yet to come, annoying officials at Sociedad and Zubimendi in the process and allowing others to join the race. Then we’ll have the usual letdown journos like Joyce and Pearce with the articles “Liverpool considered and appreciated Zubimendi however they felt that blah blah..”
Posters having a meltdown in here is hilarious we simply, more than likely, don't have the up front cash to get him, it's just something all of ye are going to have to accept this summer until (or if) we sell the players we need to sell.
we simply, more than likely, don't have the up front cash to get him, it's just something all of ye are going to have to accept this summer until (or if) we sell the players we need to sell.If Liverpool pay 51 mil this years and offer the player a 5 year deal they will spread the cost over the length of the contract. So this year they will report the cost of 10 mil, next year 10 mil and so on. However, their cash expense will have a different structure: 51 mil in year one, 0 mil in year 2 and so on.
Posters having a meltdown in here is hilarious
Not only this summer. It seems we will have to accept a loss of any residual value of a number of players who refuse to get sold. This may impact our ability to buy players for years to come
I honestly don't get the clamour for him. Clearly a good player, but I don't think we're losing out on an unbelievable talent and I'm not sure he'll make the transition to the prem that well.
Yep possibly, but I just think it's pointless having meltdowns over it. Nothing we can do unfortunately.
We can’t have both. Plus if we by some miracle we do get both won’t that stop Mainoo progression in the team?
We are skint plus we do have other part of the pitch we need reinforcements CD LB
compared to Ugarte last season
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/gol-international/beraterfirma/berater/220
Ugarte had higher pass completion rates for short / medium / long passes
Ugarte better defensive actions
Zubimendi better possession stats.
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/gol-international/beraterfirma/berater/220
Ugarte had higher pass completion rates for short / medium / long passes
Ugarte better defensive actions
Zubimendi better possession stats.
We really got the only Dutch manager who doesn't value signing a midfielder who knows how to pass a football
Eth wanted de jong and couldn't get. He was given a totally different profile player in casemiro but of course he doesn't want a mf who knows how to pass the ball.
That's Szoboszlai, Endo, Mac Allister, Gravenberch and Zubimendi all within the last 12 months for them while we're getting ready for another season of inevitably having to rely on the likes of McTominay and Eriksen for large swathes of the season
Every squad is different.
These Liverpool signings you mentioned wouldn't massively help our team anyway, other than Zubimendi, and they're nothing to be gutted over. We didn't lose anything by not signing them.
Funny that you mention Endo as well, a cheap stop-gap, only brought in to raise the floor level of the team for the short term. Someone like Berge would be the exact same type of deal, the player 90% of RedCafe are sure we shouldn't go near of.
Thank you!
...but then why did we structure the Zirkzee deal the way we did? Only because of the cash flow?
Agreed we can’t get both. Disagree that it will stop Mainoo progressing. Mainoo aslong as he keeps performing to his best and keeping up the standard then he’s the first name on the team sheet, the other 2 will be fighting to play alongside him. The more depth we have the better. Healthy competition makes other players up their game.
The ultimate Murtough madness.
And what’s stopping him now?
I think there's
I think there's a common confusion between what we are allowed to do under FFP/PSR and what cash on hand we actually have.
Everything from this summer and reports is that we don't have 50m£ on hand to spend upfront.
I think there's a common confusion between what we are allowed to do under FFP/PSR and what cash on hand we actually have.
Everything from this summer and reports is that we don't have 50m£ on hand to spend upfront.
Inability to sell our deadwoods and generate funds.
Should have gone after him weeks ago (after accepting Fulham's first offer for McT). In a year, everyone will be moaning why we didn't sign him. He is a class player and will become a key player to Liverpool.
2 for 1 spot for competition but 3 would be pushing it with the rebuild
Don't worry Mount is backThat's Szoboszlai, Endo, Mac Allister, Gravenberch and Zubimendi all within the last 12 months for them while we're getting ready for another season of inevitably having to rely on the likes of McTominay and Eriksen for large swathes of the season
He’s not but we don’t have midfielders who can keep the ball well are linked mostly with limited / box to box types. Typical of us really.
Posters having a meltdown in here is hilarious
Only because he is joining a rival, wouldn't bother me one bit if he was going to Barcelona
The issue is the money not Mainoo. A good team needs at least three good CMs for two slots. We need a passer and a defensive engine.
Pretty simple: Technically excellent DM that can play as a lone 6.
Also funny you say "clearly a good player" and then don't understand why United fans want him when we are about to roll into the season with only 1 DM who was washed up over a year ago. Getting good players is a smart transfer strategy, not every player has to be potentially world class for it to be a good move. Our midfield options are a joke as it stands.
Harder to hijack scousers than Milan, then again perhaps we have no interest in his profile anyway
Why don't they just call it average annual value? No matter the structure of the deal, the average annual value is what will be reported for financial regulations so as to limit any regulation skirting.
We played hardball for a nothing player and we are now stuck with him whilst not able to bring in players who could be useful. Even Liverpool or the Abu media couldn't script this self sabotage play for us.
Ah yes slipped my mind
, like a new signing!I don't think he was ever signing for us. He seems happy at Sociedad and starting the prime of his career and we're not in the CL and haven't won the league since Ferguson. I imagine he had a fairly short list and we weren't on it. It's possible even Arsenal and Barcelona weren't, so I don't see why we would be at this point in time.
From what I've seen, he's a really quality #6 - on the ball especially - but not particularly strong or quick, so he could in theory struggle without the right system/players around him, but odds are against it.
Maybe Liverpool won't be able to play Mac Allister, Zubimendi and a less physical #10 type (Szoboszlai or Elliot) together in certain big games, but Curtis Jones would probably fit that group okay as a 3rd man and Bajetic seems promising as an all-around type.
I'm more angry we've missed out on someone like Wharton who likely would have been hungry to join us and was available for 20M.