Yep, you summed up my thoughts completely on the game.
Pogba, Lingard and Micki had a nightmare of a game. And yet majority of the blame will still end up going to Fellaini and Rooney, the two players who actually showed up for the game.
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Yep, you summed up my thoughts completely on the game.
Pogba, Lingard and Micki had a nightmare of a game. And yet majority of the blame will still end up going to Fellaini and Rooney, the two players who actually showed up for the game.
If you thought he was shite name me 5 players that played better than he did.
Genuinely stunned by the number of people who want Schneiderlin to replace him.
Best midfielder defensively, which I agree is also important, but when midfielder has nothing else to contribute that is a problem, with ball at his feet he pretty much contributes nothing, he can't shield a ball without elbowing everyone around him, @Magnus is maybe overreacting a bit but generally I would agree with him. There are players that offer same defensive protection but actually having some contribution going forward. He is not Manchester United standard and never will be.
And about Schneiderlin to replace him, I don't know, but I do believe Schneiderlin from last season is far from what he can really do.
While Pogba is not perfect positioning in first half, it's Rooney's lack of intensity and Micky plus Lingard's uselessness that broke the system. The team/midfield & front line as a whole didn't know to press together. When passing out, Rooney had his usual nowadays bad touch few times, while Lingard and Micky shit on ball most of the times leading to Zlatan being isolated. Even in those bad 40 minute, Pogba was able to drive us up field few times just for the supposed attackers hiccup and ruined everything. Football is a team game, and losing momentum & trust in your teammates in game would hinder one's own ability. As changes were made in second half, our collective pressing was much much better, and City shat themselves at times.
Have the Fellaini-lovers ever watched a decent midfielder in their lives?
He wasn't our worst player yesterday by a long shot, but he's part of the problem.
Go watch Utd v Juve in '99, then come back to me and honestly say Fellaini is good enough. Jesus wept.... Is the midfield bar set that low at Utd these days!?
He wasn't our worst player yesterday by a long shot, but he's part of the problem.
Go watch Utd v Juve in '99, then come back to me and honestly say Fellaini is good enough. Jesus wept.... Is the midfield bar set that low at Utd these days!?
Does it improve his performance ? It's back to the Gibson - Anderson days. One performance doesn't excuse the other. It's fine that Lingard and Mikhi were miles worse, doesn't really improve much for Fellaini.
No. He is much better than some of the dross we had in between who fergie thought was good enough. djemba djemba, kleberson, Gibson Anderson post 2008, cleverley post 2011, Fletcher post his illness all were considerably worse for us.
Or have you watched no games between 1999 and yesterday?
I probably overreacted yesterday being pissed off by the firsthalf performance and the result. But I just don´t want Fellaini in the centremid. He is so slow and uses his elbows all the time. If we can´t do better than him in midfield than so be it, we will win feck all though. No problem since winning isnt the most important thing but with him in midfield we won´t be entertaining either and being entertaining IS IMPORTANT
Nope. Yesterday was the first game of football I've ever watched
Yet Fellaini have been the best midfielder so far. So im guessing the same thing you been saying about Fellaini applies to the entire midfield set, players like Herrera, Schneiderlin and so on, they are all not decent players, right?
Time to wake up and realise it isnt 99 anymore. You wanna talk United quality but got no idea what it means.
People standards are pretty low these days when Fellaini is being overrated so much here, pretty depressing stuff.
All people are doing is saying he played well today (which he did). No one is saying he is zidane or something.
There are people saying herrera played well too (which he did). Does that depress you too?
He's a tidy player but he's not mobile enough to harry decent opposition and he doesn't have Carrick's positioning and game reading to put himself in the right place at the right time. He just ends up running around like a headless chicken and leaving everyone else exposed. It happened a lot to Herrera, Schneiderlin and Carrick last season and it happened to Pogba yesterday.
That's before you begin to look at the offensive contribution.
Yup, for somebody with no positional sense who's constantly chasing shadows like a headless chicken he managed to get 7 interceptions yesterday, more than anybody else on the pitch (Bailly was second with 6) but it was probably due to being late for every single ball, being constantly out of position and people were intentionally kicking ball at him so he can pad his stats.
People standards are pretty high these days when Fellaini is being underrated so much here, pretty depressing stuff.
This sentence would make sense....if we were Everton.
Herrera - Fellaini - Pogba against Watford would be great.
This sentence would make sense....if we were Real Madrid.
Our best player so far this season. We would have conceded more goals this season without him. I knew he'd be one of the first to be kicked once we lost....
As the sitting CM thats his job... yet we were completely overrun in CM.
By the looks of it it wasn't his fault. Could it be that City had more numbers in the midfield? Pogba not playing up to par?
Pogba isn't a sitting midfielder. Mourinho's fault for playing him there maybe. I get that Fellaini was basically on his own, but a better player could have done a better job of it. He should have just stuck to KDB like glue imo, and someone like Carrick would have known to do that.
As I've said in this thread somewhere earlier he was definitely glued to Silva in the first half. My take is Pogba was meant to be stuck to KDB.
Agree. People need to look elsewhere for a dog to kick...
And what if KDB sucks him out of the centre? Wasn't this what Pep's intention was?
Not outclassed, but outnumbered.
Fellaini is proving to be a good option for us as our deepest lying midfielder, but it's pretty obvious that we need reinforcements in this area as he's clearly not a top class player. Despite his improvement in discipline he lacks both the class on the ball/precise passing, as well as the mobility/dynamism to be a DM of the standard we require for a club of our ambitions. In fact, Fernandhinio yesterday highlighted how we have noone quite like him in our squad right now - A tenacious defensively sound midfield who has the legs to get about the pitch and yet is good on the ball.
So yes, Fellaini has done well so far and is proving a very useful player under Jose, but we definitely need better.
So yes, Fellaini has done well so far and is proving a very useful player under Jose, but we definitely need better.
Exactly this, he was useful until now but we need better, simple as that.
Pep's teams make most midfields look a lot worse than they actually are because they're usually out numbered by technically excellent players. Fellaini did okay considering he was literally on his own with multiple midgets flying at him most of the time.
We don't have anyone better than him in our squad. Carrick maybe
Thanks for listing some other shit footballers.
Strange post.
Enlighten us, oh wise one.I've been watching Utd long before you were shitting in pampers.
Yesterday yes, but even vs a two man midfield he would be outclassed against the top midfielders.
Baily?
Equally but I just think on the basis that Fellaini was vilified by media and fans alike, some turnaround
I've been watching Utd long before you were shitting in pampers.
Yet you got no idea what you are talking about, time to retire from watching football old guy.
I said it in other threads but any of our midfielders would get outclassed against top midfielders in a two man set up. Those top midfielders all coincidently play in midfields that number more than two and/or have systems that try to dominate games through the midfield i.e they have all the support they need.
He certainly splits opinion, starting to remind me of how Fletcher pre illness divided opinion.
What tends to happen is that the longer a player is absent (injured or benched for being crap), the higher his skill level goes.
Morgan was pretty average last season and he has been benched this season. But some fans will make out that Morgan is a midfielder capable of playing for Barcelona.
In the last 2 seasons he has played for 2 teams, who finished 6th and 5th and I believe that that is Morgan's true level and that he should not be a starter for a team aiming to win the title.
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