Like I said, boring, changes absolutely nothing, he doesn't pick himself. Blame Jose and the club then....maybe booo him like Some others at OT and make your feelings known?
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Like I said, boring, changes absolutely nothing, he doesn't pick himself. Blame Jose and the club then....maybe booo him like Some others at OT and make your feelings known?
I'm not blaming him though. It's not his fault he's here. It's certainly his fault that he should be sold though.
Eh....? That makes no sense....
Nobody ought to deny that. The fact that despite the massive criticism he gets he still comes on and gives his 110% is quite admiral especially in todays game where players now feel that they are entitled to everything. But thats all it is. Effort. And in times like these where 5 teams are competing for a top spot, we need a lot more than that.
I'm not blaming him for being signed, being picked and so on but I am blaming him for his performances...
I thought he played pretty well yesterday until his red card. I don't think a moment of madness should take away from his relative form of late and that he offers a very unique and versatile option for us that few other teams have the luxury of.
Why....people are saying he's crap so what did you expect. I thought people blamed players when they are under performing?
What exactly did he offer before the red card? Let me guess, he won a couple of aimless headers and controlled the ball with his chest a few times...
He played safe back/sideways passes, never caused any attacking threat whatsoever, and failed to play Rashford in behind on two occasions when the through ball was on.
For their performances obviously. But the argument I thought you were putting forward 'he's just being blamed for being signed' implies that it's nothing more than irrational bias. Which it isn't.
We can't blame him for that utter stupidity the other night? If he's picked and dumb enough to get himself sent off through moronically losing the head, it's actually Jose to blame?
I highly doubt the tactical setup called for Fellaini to be an attacking outlet. He was solid defensively and was constantly in a position to cut off attacks. He also tracked Fernandinho well on a run he made from deep which prevented him from giving him a free run at attacking a cross.
Fellaini was disciplined and performed his role well yesterday prior to the red. If you want to pin our attacking shortcomings on him that's quite frankle ridiculous.
Two things that annoy me about Fellaini are his occasional brainfarts/rash decision making and his poor passing range, other than that he's a very useful squad player. Gets scapegoated far too much on here I think
What about his poor positioning and his lack of mobility?
Can anyone post a gif of the incident from a few different angles?
Having seen it a few times it does look like Aguero is the one who shoves his head into Fellaini and then throws himself to the ground.
Having seen it a few times it does look like Aguero is the one who shoves his head into Fellaini and then throws himself to the ground.
I must be the only person who thinks hes halfway decent, used to cause us all sorts of problems with Everton. Very useful option to have in the squad and he wins a ridiculous number of knock downs.
Used in designated bursts hes very effective
Used in designated bursts hes very effective
You probably think he's decent in the same way I think Lovren is decent and you should definitely keep playing him every week.
No argument, just an opinion. People continue to highlight what they believe is his failings and then in their view does everything to reinforce it. Not sure what people are moaning about then? Surely this is more then about Jose picking Felliani?
He played in more of an advanced position on the inside left channel, while Carrick was the DM and Herrera was constantly running and chasing down space. Go check his average positioning and then have a rethink.
He lacks technical ability, two occasions he could play a simple through ball but instead chose to pass 5 yards to the side to a man under pressure. How can a professional footballer be so technically limited, absolute madness. Don't they spend 90 percent of the time with the ball in training, unless he only practices chest control and flailing elbow exercises during training.
Hmm, I am not sure if Pogba would have done much better with City closing down on him. Yes, Pogba is much better at attacking and sending through balls to our forwards, but when teams close down on him he has a tendency to hold on to the ball. I would have been very nervous with Pogba trying to dribble his way out of 3 city players near our 18 yard line.
Just a week ago, he has been receiving praise here. OK, he made a mistake and that was stupid to get the red card, but why each mistake that he makes (especially if it follows a good run of games) should immediately trigger the "he's sh*t, get rid" clause?
I just find it wrong to judge a player, ANY player, just based on the last game. I mean, how will this thread look like if he scores against Vigo? Just a week or two ago, he changed the EL game for us and handled Chelsea very well. Suddenly all of that is forgotten?
By the way, how many times was he involved in mistakes like the one that we saw this week? How many red cards did he receive this season? Yes, I remember the penalty in the Everton game and I remember the bad defending in the first Anderlecht game... and? If I were that picky, I would mention Herrera's mistake that led to his read card and I would also mention his miss two days ago from a very good position. But I'm not, because Herrera mostly does his job. Fellaini, it appears, mostly does what Mourinho wants him to do.
To me, if Mourinho thinks that Fellaini can't be trusted and has no future with us, then goodbye. If he still trusts him, then, well, he does.
I just find it wrong to judge a player, ANY player, just based on the last game. I mean, how will this thread look like if he scores against Vigo? Just a week or two ago, he changed the EL game for us and handled Chelsea very well. Suddenly all of that is forgotten?
By the way, how many times was he involved in mistakes like the one that we saw this week? How many red cards did he receive this season? Yes, I remember the penalty in the Everton game and I remember the bad defending in the first Anderlecht game... and? If I were that picky, I would mention Herrera's mistake that led to his read card and I would also mention his miss two days ago from a very good position. But I'm not, because Herrera mostly does his job. Fellaini, it appears, mostly does what Mourinho wants him to do.
To me, if Mourinho thinks that Fellaini can't be trusted and has no future with us, then goodbye. If he still trusts him, then, well, he does.
I agree. That's why I am calm when he has an 'okay' performance, one where he does what he's asked without screwing up too much, while others go overboard with their praise. Thats why some suggested that he has actually lowered our standards because mediocre performances are now being showered with praise. What we saw against City was typical Fellaini even without the headbutt, the clumsy defending and wandering around aimlessly as our most advanced midfielder was no surprise to many.
I don't know why people are scapegoating him so much. He did his job as he was asked by the manager for 80 minutes, and then, after having been kicked and fouled all game long, he lost his head. But he didn't cost us any points against City. The strategy was to defend and hit them on the counter, taking advantage of the few chances we might create. We had two great opportunities to score, one fell to Mikky and the 2nd great opp went to Ander. Both of those should have been buried.
Makes perfect sense.
Wasn't his fault he came here from Everton giving the move and money was a massive upgrade. But it is his fault that he is not the required level of skill or intelligence to play for us so should be sold
I agree, I have said all along he is a good bartering ray for certain situations up front but should not be a midfield option for any club wishing to challenge for titles
Yeah, always found this argument ridiculous. And it's only used on Fellaini here, when Rooney's underperforming no one says - it's Fergie who bought him, he's to blame
I thought that fanboys only existed in the Martial thread but they exist in this thread as well. You cannot criticize Fellaini for a performance because 'It's Fellaini what do you expect, at least he gives 100% every game'. It's very strange that a player that apparently tries so hard seems to have not improved his passing or ball control one iota since he came here.
The difference between Fellaini and Hererra is night and day; both are in their prime but one is obviously more willing to apply himself if the manager asks him to do something different. Hererra is obviously a combative midfielder but when he asked to be more defensive minded and shield the defense he does it almost as well as Carrick. Is it too much to ask for Fellaini to try a forward pass more than 5 yards or to use his physicality to hold off midfielders with the ball, if it is then he isnt fit to wear the shirt.
It seems some fans take joy in defending a player using some for of twisted morality; he gets slagged of by fans all the time so they are going to protect him.
The difference between Fellaini and Hererra is night and day; both are in their prime but one is obviously more willing to apply himself if the manager asks him to do something different. Hererra is obviously a combative midfielder but when he asked to be more defensive minded and shield the defense he does it almost as well as Carrick. Is it too much to ask for Fellaini to try a forward pass more than 5 yards or to use his physicality to hold off midfielders with the ball, if it is then he isnt fit to wear the shirt.
It seems some fans take joy in defending a player using some for of twisted morality; he gets slagged of by fans all the time so they are going to protect him.
Pretty much agree with this, he's a good player to fill in when we're short on numbers and can be a threat from the bench. He doesn't help himself though with regards to criticism.
And that position requires him to hold the ball up and bring runners and other attackers into play when we play the ball direct to him. He didn't have many options because Martial and Mkhi were tracking so far back and getting stuck deep. Rashford was the only player forward during the majority of the match and he struggled to hold the ball up or time his runs properly.
So firstly you state his job wasn't to offer any attacking outlet, and now you are saying the opposite? Make your mind up.
Fellaini didn't hold the ball up nor did he bring runners into play. As soon as he received the ball he had no composure and his first thought was to play a simple 10 yard back or sideway pass, to pass along responsibility. There was at least 3 occasions where Rashford made a run in behind a Fellaini failed with his attempted through ball. Sorry, but a Manchester United midfielder must have the abilty to make a successful through pass with 3 attempts. Even his attempt at showing some 'fight' ended with a pathetic red card.
When I say attacking outlet I'm talking about being a creative force, which he definitely is never in the team to provide. He's there to provide a direct option that can hold up play and allow other players to push forward to lay off too.
And neither did Carrick or Herrera, are they also not able to play in any role ever in midfield for Manchester United. Fellaini's not a player I'd ever suggest should be a starting XI player, but when pressed into duty he's capable of playing a role and did demonstrate defensive discipline against City prior to his red card. He's a fine squad player and has proven his value in that capacity throughout this season.
Still makes no sense and the most daft thing I've read on here for a while. Surely it's the manager and the clubs role to assess whether the player has the level of ability to play for the club. This assessment been done by the last 3 managers and the most important, the current one. He's still here so as a Utd player I'll continue to criticise him when wrong but for balance support him like any other player...isn't that what fans do?
You either joined the forum a few seconds after his post or have come back to it from a long coma.
Should never play for the club again . Christ his theatrics and silly actions nearly cost us the game when we need every vital point to finish in top 4. And it isnt even his first time getting a red in an important match. Had enough of him.
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Poor tonight, shouldn't be playing that high up the pitch as just nowhere near good enough. He helped defend set pieces but rest of time he was bit of waste of space.
We sacrificed having a proper footballer in midfield so he'd be on to win a couple of set piece headers.
Was complete garbage tonight.
Nil contribution.
Nil contribution.
I thought he was quite a handful today. They couldnt get near him with the long balls. Thats what we all know. With the ball on the ground and us needing something from midfield offensively, he looks suspect.
Squad player performance, which is needed at times. But again got a yellow with some other fouls, he just isnt a player you can rely on to stay on the pitch for the whole game.
Squad player performance, which is needed at times. But again got a yellow with some other fouls, he just isnt a player you can rely on to stay on the pitch for the whole game.
There is no movement from him to make himself available. No imagination in his passing. He's too far up the field to be missing these attributes. No good football club should resort to this type of player.
He was terrible. When in possession he offers us nothing, at present. Being a nuisance just can't be enough at this club. We need proper footballers that are actually going to do things in the midfield. Like Pogba, like Herrera. Fellaini just ran around pulling shirts, winning headers and getting in the way.
I understand why Mourinho plays him, but I can't for the life of me see how we can be a top team with him in the middle of the park.
I understand why Mourinho plays him, but I can't for the life of me see how we can be a top team with him in the middle of the park.
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