[devilish]

The England team does get slaughtered, Rooney complained about boos as he was walking off the pitch. The media are merciless with them. If anything that kind of pressure has made them worse, they look scared and timid. This England analogy just doesn't work, if anything it proves the opposite of what you want.

Fellaini got booed because he's rubbish not because he was lazy. There is no possible way somebody shouting boo will make him a better player come the next game.

I assure you players in the EPL have no idea what real pressure is. Its not me who is saying that but the likes of Vialli, Di Canio, Gazza and Ravanelli who played in both leagues and had highlighted the difference in both leagues

Also when someone boos a player he's not only booing the player himself but the manager's decision in choosing him. Basically they are saying 'get that piece of shit out of the pitch and do not allow him to return'

 

[Dobbs]

I assure you players in the EPL have no idea what real pressure is. Its not me who is saying that but the likes of Vialli, Di Canio, Gazza and Ravanelli who played in both leagues and had highlighted the difference in both leagues

Also when someone boos a player he's not only booing the player himself but the manager's decision in choosing him. Basically they are saying 'get that piece of shit out of the pitch and do not allow him to return'

Yeah its worked a treat for Italian football. All that European success their clubs have had over the last 15 years.

You seem to be hankering for a very nasty atmosphere.

 

[devilish]

Yeah its worked a treat for Italian football. All that European success their clubs have had over the last 15 years.

You seem to be hankering for a very nasty atmosphere.

The serie a had been rocked by a series of scandals and financial problems who are totally unrelated to the supporters. Despite that + the fact they have the weakest national team ever they still manage to dominate England with their hurrykanes, captain chelseas and white peles in every opportunity. Players know that they have to deliver quick or leave.

 

[Dobbs]

The serie a had been rocked by a series of scandals and financial problems who are totally unrelated to the supporters. Despite that + the fact they have the weakest national team ever they still manage to dominate England with their hurrykanes and white peles in every opportunity.

Using England's struggles to prove it's productive to boo Fellaini.

Sorry just can't get my head around this one.

 

[devilish]

Using England's struggles to prove it's productive to boo Fellaini.

Sorry just can't get my head around this one.

I am not saying that though isn't it? I am only questioning whether its wise to treat players like some sort of vulnerable people who are one step away from suffering a meltdown especially since those countries who don't treat players like that, tend to be more successful in football than those who do. Proving the fans wrong is a great motivator. Italy won 3 of their last world cups prior to a scandal which rocked football only to falter when they were absolute favourites of winning the god damn thing. A player who was considered too old to even play for Italy went on winning the world cup and the ballon d'or.

 

[Walrus]

Again, if Fellaini were a scapegoat, then this wouldn't be happening. You'd see posters trying to excuse other players, especially in midfield, at the expense of Fellaini. You'd see people saying the manager doesn't have enough to work with. Or that Fellaini destroys our whole game. We don't, though. Because people don't use Fellaini as a scapegoat. They just think he's shit.

Im pretty sure that all of these things have been said in this thread numerous times, and thats just in the last couple of pages.

Honestly the outright delusion of a lot of fans when it comes to Fellaini has gone past the "ludicrous" stage and is now genuinely worrying. I have given up trying to defend him not because I think he is playing particularly badly, but because trying to get people on here to change their opinion on Fellaini is probably something akin to Aristotle trying to persuade folk that the world was round and not flat.

This thread has just become a cesspool of hate, and with most of those defending Fellaini (such as myself) having decided to stop wasting their digital breath, it just means that week-on-week, the rewriting of history, the ridiculous revisionism and outright lies just grow more and more blatant, with nobody really bothering to point out that actually, a lot of you are just talking plain old shit. Case in point https://www.redcafe.net/threads/marouane-fellaini-2015-16-performances.406879/page-70#post-18926243 - I particularly liked this one because @GifLord produced actual visual evidence that the other poster was talking shit, but of course it just got brushed under the carpet along with those other unnecessary nuisances in the Fellaini thread such as facts and logic.)

 

[Dobbs]

I am not saying that though isn't it? I am only questioning whether its wise to treat players like some sort of vulnerable people who are one step away from suffering a meltdown especially since those countries who don't treat players like that, tend to be more successful in football than those who do. Proving the fans wrong is a great motivator. Italy won 3 of their last world cups prior to a scandal which rocked football only to falter when they were absolute favourites of winning the god damn thing. A player who was considered too old to even play for Italy went on winning the world cup and the ballon d'or.

I don't think anybody's saying we should treat Fellaini like a vulnerable person, strawman argument.

You're saying the deciding factor in Italy doing better than England is pressure from the fans. So therefore we should apply more pressure to Fellaini.

I've explained why in my opinion that makes no sense.

 

[Cheesy]

Im pretty sure that all of these things have been said in this thread numerous times, and thats just in the last couple of pages.

Honestly the outright delusion of a lot of fans when it comes to Fellaini has gone past the "ludicrous" stage and is now genuinely worrying. I have given up trying to defend him not because I think he is playing particularly badly, but because trying to get people on here to change their opinion on Fellaini is probably something akin to Aristotle trying to persuade folk that the world was round and not flat.

This thread has just become a cesspool of hate, and with most of those defending Fellaini (such as myself) having decided to stop wasting their digital breath, it just means that week-on-week, the rewriting of history, the ridiculous revisionism and outright lies just grow more and more blatant, with nobody really bothering to point out that actually, a lot of you are just talking plain old shit. Case in point https://www.redcafe.net/threads/marouane-fellaini-2015-16-performances.406879/page-70#post-18926243 - I particularly liked this one because @GifLord produced actual visual evidence that the other poster was talking shit, but of course it just got brushed under the carpet along with those other unnecessary nuisances in the Fellaini thread such as facts and logic.)

No, they haven't. Seeing one or two posters doing it is not akin to a majority. The vast majority of posters accept that the likes of Schneiderlin and Carrick just haven't been good enough this season. We've got so many players who have been criticised this season, so the argument that Fellaini is somehow a scapegoat, is utter nonsense.

And again, it's not hatred. If people truly hated him, then they wouldn't be criticising our fans for booing him off yesterday after another tumescent display. The vast majority (myself included) agree that it was silly for our fans to boo him, and I don't have anything against him personally because he seems like a decent enough person. He's just not good enough to play for us, regularly produces woeful performances in midfield, and no level of supposed scapegoating or unfounded hatred is going to change that.

For the aforementioned clip from GifLord, you're using it as one particular incident where someone got something wrong with Fellaini, and using it to argue that somehow everyone was brushing it under the carpet. It's utter nonsense.

 

[devilish]

I don't think anybody's saying we should treat Fellaini like a vulnerable person, strawman argument.

You're saying the deciding factor in Italy doing better than England is pressure from the fans. So therefore we should apply more pressure to Fellaini.

I've explained why in my opinion that makes no sense.

I was questioning the strategy of cuddling the players/managers too much by refusing to boo at them when they are doing shite. As said before Fellaini may be the symbol of this crappy United but our problems run deeper than simply replacing the useless giant.

 

[Walrus]

No, they haven't. Seeing one or two posters doing it is not akin to a majority. The vast majority of posters accept that the likes of Schneiderlin and Carrick just haven't been good enough this season. We've got so many players who have been criticised this season, so the argument that Fellaini is somehow a scapegoat, is utter nonsense.

And again, it's not hatred. If people truly hated him, then they wouldn't be criticising our fans for booing him off yesterday after another tumescent display. The vast majority (myself included) agree that it was silly for our fans to boo him, and I don't have anything against him personally because he seems like a decent enough person. He's just not good enough to play for us, regularly produces woeful performances in midfield, and no level of supposed scapegoating or unfounded hatred is going to change that.

Yesterday, in his most recent "woeful" performance, he was no worse than plenty of others; Blind, Rojo, Varela, Herrera, Carrick, Lingard, Rashford, Memphis.

 

[Cheesy]

Yesterday, in his most recent "woeful" performance, he was no worse than plenty of others; Blind, Rojo, Varela, Herrera, Carrick, Lingard, Rashford, Memphis.

Herrera, Varela and Rashford had decent enough games. But, anyway, I'm not talking about them...I'm talking about Fellaini. Why the need to throw other players under the bus in order to defend Fellaini playing poorly?

 

[spwd]

Not been in here for a while, is his elbow being looked at by the fa?

 

[Walrus]

Herrera, Varela and Rashford had decent enough games. But, anyway, I'm not talking about them...I'm talking about Fellaini. Why the need to throw other players under the bus in order to defend Fellaini playing poorly?

Its not a case of throwing anyone under the bus (although now that you mention it, that is certainly a theme in this thread). I will say it bluntly then: he wasnt anything like as bad as is being made out, which is pretty much the norm.

 

[kouroux]

I was questioning the strategy of cuddling the players/managers too much by refusing to boo at them when they are doing shite. As said before Fellaini may be the symbol of this crappy United but our problems run deeper than simply replacing the useless giant.

Indeed, just like Rooney was one a problem among many others. As long as there isn't a fundamental change in terms of football, replacing players won't change much in terms of results.

 

[pseudo_canadian]

Feel like at this point he's essentially wasted 3 years of his own career. Sure, he's playing for a big club like United, but I feel he could be much more appreciated somewhere else in the Prem.

He simply doesn't belong here, and that was evident before Moyes even signed him.

 

[devilish]

Indeed, just like Rooney was one a problem among many others. As long as there isn't a fundamental change in terms of football, replacing players won't change much in terms of results.

We've got two problems

a- lack of quality in the first team
b- a philosophy that simply does not work

we might be able to compensate for the former by sorting the second problem (SAF did the miracle in his last season). However there's only one SAF.

 

[golden_blunder]

Id rather booing is applied to the manager rather than the player. If the player is naff, hes naff. But its the manager who picks him

 

[dichinero]

what are you expecting him to be exactly? He was stitched up being brought here by the man who knew him best, who even then couldn't agree what his best position was. Blame the powers that put him on the pitch. He might be poor most of the time but he is doing whats asked and is being professional about it. then he gets booed because he looks quirky, by a spoilt mob

Define doing what he is asked, which is professional? Losing possession like no man's business, outrightly playing crap? Isn't this the same argument people used for Rooney. You want to know a player that just does what is asked of him? Jon Obi Mikel. Despite what people think of him, he is very effective at what is asked of him. There is a reason why he has lasted that long and been favoured by most managers at Chelsea.

 

[clarkydaz]

Define doing what he is asked, which is professional? Losing possession like no man's business, outrightly playing crap? Isn't this the same argument people used for Rooney. You want to know a player that just does what is asked of him? Jon Obi Mikel. Despite what people think of him, he is very effective at what is asked of him. There is a reason why he has lasted that long and been favoured by most managers at Chelsea.

its not the same argument for Rooney as when he gets played out of position and has a stinker he still gets praise for being selfless and taking one for the team. If Rooney received the shit Fellaini has for some of his performances there would be a national outcry

 

[Cheesy]

Its not a case of throwing anyone under the bus (although now that you mention it, that is certainly a theme in this thread). I will say it bluntly then: he wasnt anything like as bad as is being made out, which is pretty much the norm.

He was terrible. For someone who's supposed got a lot of physicality, he offered nothing in the way of tackles or interceptions. He lost the ball more than any other United player in the first half. He offered little (perhaps nothing, unless I've forgotten something) in the way of creative, incisive forward moves which helped to create chances. His supposed threat from corners and set-pieces didn't have much of an effect. His discipline, like usual, was terrible. His positioning was, as it always is when he's in midfield, all over the place, since he casually wanders to random places, which results in us getting overrun. It's no coincidence that we improved dramatically once he came off the pitch.

I'm interested, what did he do yesterday that warrants his performance being labelled as decent? Herrera, who you bizarrely mentioned as performing poorly, got a very nice assist. What did Fellaini do of note, apart from failing to do certain things which are required of any passable midfielder?

 

[NinjaFletch]

Its not a case of throwing anyone under the bus (although now that you mention it, that is certainly a theme in this thread). I will say it bluntly then: he wasnt anything like as bad as is being made out, which is pretty much the norm.

If anything, he's getting off lightly. But seeing as your eyes are failing you with regards to Fellaini lets look at the stats shall we?

- He had the least touches of anyone bar Lingard and Rashford for us
- He had the worst pass completion rate besides Smalling, Rojo, and Rashford
- He won less defensive arial duels than Daley Blind.
- He made 3 tackles in the entire game and was successful with 2
- He made 0 interceptions
- He made 1 clearance
- He was dispossessed more times than anyone else on the pitch other than Lazini (4 each)
- He made the least passes of anyone in the back 6
- He competed for 2 offensive arial duels and he had 1 shot

He did virtually nothing. He did not offer us anything defensively, he did not offer us anything in the midfield, and he did not offer us anything in attack. The stats back up absolutely everyones perception other than your own. It's not a case of scapegoating, he was just absolutely brutal.

 

[Silverman]

If anything, he's getting off lightly. But seeing as your eyes are failing you with regards to Fellaini lets look at the stats shall we?

- He had the least touches of anyone bar Lingard and Rashford for us
- He had the worst pass completion rate besides Smalling, Rojo, and Rashford
- He won less defensive arial duels than Daley Blind.
- He made 3 tackles in the entire game and was successful with 2
- He made 0 interceptions
- He made 1 clearance
- He was dispossessed more times than anyone else on the pitch other than Lazini (4 each)
- He made the least passes of anyone in the back 6
- He competed for 2 offensive arial duels and he had 1 shot

He did virtually nothing. He did not offer us anything defensively, he did not offer us anything in the midfield, and he did not offer us anything in attack. The stats back up absolutely everyones perception other than your own. It's not a case of scapegoating, he was just absolutely brutal.

No attack on the guy himself. He seems like a hard worker etc but I agree, he's simply not fit to play the way we want to play. Prime example was with the simple through ball that was needed on the left wing yesterday which would have set Martial away. He overhit the pass to an alarming extent. It was like a pass to the defender. The only position he can play is up top and it is not what we need.

 

[Sandikan]

Hopefully Mourinho will sort out the chief reason that we're lumbered playing him so often, namely aerial ability.

Basically you have Smalling and Fellaini as monsters, and then some "decent" players.

I'm sure Mourinho would come in, instantly get a proper colossus next to Smalling, and probably a couple of other physically strong players too.

A lot of the time, when we play Rooney, Mata, Herrera, 2 skinny winners and shorter fullbacks you do wonder how we'll cope against the Pulis type teams

 

[dichinero]

its not the same argument for Rooney as when he gets played out of position and has a stinker he still gets praise for being selfless and taking one for the team. If Rooney received the shit Fellaini has for some of his performances there would be a national outcry

When are they played out of position? Rooney @ #9/10 is not out of position. Fellaini @ #6/8/10/9 isn't out of position either, or if he has a positio, that is.

 

[Ludens the Red]

Yesterday, in his most recent "woeful" performance, he was no worse than plenty of others; Blind, Rojo, Varela, Herrera, Carrick, Lingard, Rashford, Memphis.

Fellaini was no worse than Herrera yesterday?
Is that a serious comment?

I have no idea what game you and Louis van Gaal were watching.

 

[dichinero]

Yesterday, in his most recent "woeful" performance, he was no worse than plenty of others; Blind, Rojo, Varela, Herrera, Carrick, Lingard, Rashford, Memphis.

Your comment is as bad as Fellaini's performance!

 

[clarkydaz]

When are they played out of position? Rooney @ #9/10 is not out of position. Fellaini @ #6/8/10/9 isn't out of position either, or if he has a positio, that is.

Rooney was played centre mid and right mid last season. A sack of shit in both and got praised for it. So you think Fellaini is a natural 6/8/10/9 then

 

[dichinero]

Rooney was played centre mid and right mid last season. A sack of shit in both and got praised for it. So you think Fellaini is a natural 6/8/10/9 then

Its Rooney, he gets praised for laying an egg on pitch. He's still gets praised in his absence. Nothing we can do about it. England would flop out of the Euros and Rooney would still get praised.
I don't think Fellaini is a PL footballer for one. Like I stated in an earlier post, he says he's better as a 6, Moyes thinks he's a 10, His Belgian manager thinks he's an 8, LvG said he's a capable 9. Regardless of what position he has been trusted in, he is still rubbish.

 

[NinjaFletch]

Hopefully Mourinho will sort out the chief reason that we're lumbered playing him so often, namely aerial ability.

Basically you have Smalling and Fellaini as monsters, and then some "decent" players.

I'm sure Mourinho would come in, instantly get a proper colossus next to Smalling, and probably a couple of other physically strong players too.

A lot of the time, when we play Rooney, Mata, Herrera, 2 skinny winners and shorter fullbacks you do wonder how we'll cope against the Pulis type teams

But even this is a huge myth. Fellaini is throughly average in the air and again, the stats prove this.

He's 28th in the league for number of ariel duels attempted per 90 minutes and he wins 48% of them.

From that, its already a huge worry that Debuchy - who is 5ft 10 - has a significantly better % rate. More worryingly, someone like Mike Jedinak, who doesn't play a hugely dissimilar role to what we're asking of Fellaini and is only slightly shorter wins 74% of his duels. Even Mikel Arteta attempts and wins a higher proportion of ariel duels than Fellaini (4.19 and 67%).

Now, as a team, we appear to contest ariel duels less than average - Fellaini is our highest rated player in terms of number of attempts per 90 minutes - so you can perhaps discount the number of attempts per 90 minute stat for now. However, as a team, we win 44% of ariel duels. In other words Fellaini is only better than our team average by 4%. The 'ariel ability' he adds to the team is negligible when placed alongside all of the other problems he brings to it.

 

[Sandikan]

But even this is a huge myth. Fellaini is throughly average in the air and again, the stats prove this.

He's 28th in the league for number of ariel duels attempted per 90 minutes and he wins 48% of them.

From that, its already a huge worry that Debuchy - who is 5ft 10 - has a significantly better % rate. More worryingly, someone like Mike Jedinak, who doesn't play a hugely dissimilar role to what we're asking of Fellaini and is only slightly shorter wins 74% of his duels. Even Mikel Arteta attempts and wins a higher proportion of ariel duels than Fellaini (4.19 and 67%).

Now, as a team, we appear to contest ariel duels less than average - Fellaini is our highest rated player in terms of number of attempts per 90 minutes - so you can perhaps discount the number of attempts per 90 minute stat for now. However, as a team, we win 44% of ariel duels. In other words Fellaini is only better than our team average by 4%. The 'ariel ability' he adds to the team is negligible when placed alongside all of the other problems he brings to it.

You can prove anything from stats.
I can see with my own eyes he's very effective defending his own penalty area.

But certainly take the point he doesn't really warrant his place for a team like us

 

[Cheesy]

You can prove anything from stats.
I can see with my own eyes he's very effective defending his own penalty area.

But certainly take the point he doesn't really warrant his place for a team like us

He's fine for defensive headers in his own penalty area, but that's because it generally means all he needs to do is let the ball touch his head and hope it goes in any direction. When it comes to actual aerial duels, or getting a header on target, he's worryingly average. And while he is very capable defensively from corners, it's partly neutered when his midfield wandering and general ineffectiveness/sloppiness will often result in him being one of the reasons opposition sides can form attacks and win corners.

 

[Roboc7]

I don't know why anyone is trying to defend his performance yesterday, love him or hate him you should be able to recognise he had a bad game, it has nothing to do with him being a scapegoat.

He was awful yesterday, he must have given the ball away a dozen times before he won a tackle, other than being useful at defending set pieces he offered absolutely nothing positive and he should have been off at half time, the booing was more frustration that it took so long to take him off rather than anything personal.

 

[clarkydaz]

I don't know why anyone is trying to defend his performance yesterday, love him or hate him you should be able to recognise he had a bad game, it has nothing to do with him being a scapegoat.

He was awful yesterday, he must have given the ball away a dozen times before he won a tackle, other than being useful at defending set pieces he offered absolutely nothing positive and he should have been off at half time, the booing was more frustration that it took so long to take him off rather than anything personal.

it wasn't booing it was celebration he was going off

 

[OnlyTwoDaSilvas]

He won't be getting banned for the elbow/forearm on Emre Can. Bugger.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/35803259

 

[arthurka]

He can feck right off.. Terrible player who doesn't win anything anywhere... No passing
range no skills no nothing.. We are so much worse with him on the pitch than off it.. The only thing to use him for is when trailing to put him in the box and lump it in there. The booing was just something everybody have been thinking but no one has been doing.. Most of us have had enough of him and LVG they can close the door behind them when they leave..

 

[Scorpy]

There was one moment yesterday where Martial was one adequate through ball away from making things very difficult for West Ham's defence, but I just knew Fellaini couldn't pull it off.

Our joke of a manager is constantly picking this joke of a football in his starting eleven and it boggles the mind.

 

[dichinero]

Not that we have a clue, but what does Giggs think of his inclusion?

 

[Mike09]

Eh?! Just... what?! Please, explain what reflex is, your grasp of language is clearly stronger than mine. I agree, he isn't the only weak link in the team, but he's stand out terrible.
As for being better with Fellaini as of 16th Jan this season;
MANCHESTER UNITED'S RECORD WITH AND WITHOUT MAROUANE FELLAINI
WITH FELLANI
Swansea City 2-1 Manchester United (13mins)
Manchester United 3-1 Liverpool (90mins)
Arsenal 3-0 Manchester United (45mins)
Everton 0-3 Manchester United (9mins)
Manchester United 0-0 Man City (15mins)
Crystal Palace 0-0 Manchester United (21mins)
Manchester United 0-0 West Ham (90mins)
Bournemouth 2-1 Manchester United (74mins)
Manchester United 1-2 Norwich City (60mins)
Stoke City 2-0 Manchester United (90mins)
Newcastle 3-3 Manchester United (90mins)

Won 2, Drawn 4, Lost 5 - 0.9 points/game

WITHOUT FELLAINI
Manchester United 1-0 Tottenham
Aston Villa 0-1 Manchester United
Manchester United 0-0 Newcastle United
Southampton 2-3 Manchester United
Manchester United 3-0 Sunderland
Manchester United 2-0 West Bromwich Albion
Watford 1-2 Manchester United
Leicester City 1-1 Manchester United
Manchester United 0-0 Chelsea
Manchester United 2-1 Swansea City


Won 7, Drawn 3, Lost 0 - 2.4 points/game

Since he's come back from injury, we've lost 2-0 and scraped a draw.

That is exactly how you people are scapegoating a single player. Is this some kind of a joke? You are ignoring some games where Fellaini looked much better before injured and some facts. With Fellaini what happen with the one against Liverpool 1-0? What happen with the game when Fellaini play against Southampton and we were 0-0 half time, and then when he was off the Austin scored the winning goal from set pieces? What happen with the game when we won 3-0?
Without Fellaini what happen with the game when we lost against Sunderland and WBA??
You even counted Swansea game when he only played 13th min. You counted Arsenal game when we already lost the game before half time. You count City game when he played only 15 minutes.

Firstly the players need to play more than 45 minutes or be a starter.
Swansea City 2-1 Manchester United (13mins) (Doesn't count)
Manchester United 3-1 Liverpool (90mins) (3 points)
Arsenal 3-0 Manchester United (45mins) (Doesn't count or if you want to count this then count as a 0-0 when Fellaini is on and 3-0 without Fellaini)
Everton 0-3 Manchester United (9mins) (Doesn't count)
Manchester United 0-0 Man City (15mins) (Doesn't count)
Crystal Palace 0-0 Manchester United (21mins) (Doesn't count or if we count this then count as 0-0 both with and without Fellaini)
Manchester United 0-0 West Ham (90mins) (1 point)
Bournemouth 2-1 Manchester United (74mins) (0 point) (He scored though)
Manchester United 1-2 Norwich City (60mins) (0 point)
Stoke City 2-0 Manchester United (90mins) (0 point)
Newcastle 3-3 Manchester United (90mins) (1 point)
Liverpool 0-1 Manchester United (90mins) (3 points)
Manchester United 0-1 Southampton (45mins) (Since he is starter then count this game but as 0-0, ironic that we lost because Austin scored with header from set pieces which Fellaini could be a better option to mark Austin) (1 point)
Manchester United 3-0 Stoke City (3 points)
Manchester United 1-1 Chelsea (70-80th mins) (remember this game he was on the pitch more than 70th min, the score was 1-0 for us we could have won the game if Fellaini didn't come off for Schneiderlin as Fellaini had a good game and Schneiderlin played poor when he came on and we looked worse when Fellaini was off and then conceded) (1 point but could get 3 points if he stayed)


So total with Fellaini minimum we got 3 won, 4 drew, 3 lost. 1.3 points per game. And maximum we could have got 4 won, 3 drew, 3 lost 1.5 points per game.

And in contrast without Fellaini total 9 won, 5 drew, 6 lost. 1.6 points per game. And if we counted the 1-1 Chelsea game when Fellaini was off and we conceded then 9 won, 6 drew and 6 lost which gave us 1.57 points per game.

I can't see any different if Fellaini played or no. Same results overall and if you watch the game from the beginning of season the style of our play is still the same thing as well.

Manchester United 1-0 Tottenham (3 points)
Aston Villa 0-1 Manchester United (3 points)
Manchester United 0-0 Newcastle United (1 point)
Swansea 2-1 Manchester United (0 point)
Southampton 2-3 Manchester United (3 points)
Manchester United 3-0 Sunderland (3 points)
Arsenal 3-0 Manchester United (0 point)
Everton 0-3 Manchester United (3 points)
Manchester United 0-0 Man City (1 point)
Crystal Palace 0-0 Manchester United (1 point)
Manchester United 2-0 West Bromwich Albion (3 points)
Watford 1-2 Manchester United (0 point)
Leicester City 1-1 Manchester United (1 point)
Manchester United 0-0 Chelsea (1 point)
Manchester United 2-1 Swansea City (3 points)
Manchester United 0-1 Southampton (45mins) (Since he is starter then count this game but as 0-0, ironic that we lost because Austin scored with header from set pieces which Fellaini could be a better option to mark Austin) (0 point)
Manchester United 1-1 Chelsea (70-80th mins) (remember this game he was on the pitch more than 70th min, the score was 1-0 for us we could have won the game if Fellaini didn't come off for Schneiderlin as Fellaini had a good game and Schneiderlin played poor when he came on and we looked worse when Fellaini was off and then conceded) (1 point and could get 3 points if he stayed)
Sunderland 2-1 Manchester United (0 point)
Manchester United 3-2 Arsenal (3 points)
Manchester United 1-0 Watfrod (3 points)
WBA 0-1 Manchester United (0 point)


It's the same thing with Suarez was being racist to Evra. Is that a reflex to you?? Booing their own player is the thing people who can't think of anything smarter to do because of their obstruction than make a primitive groaning noise. And what makes it even worse is booing one player alone who is still wearing the shirt and tried his best which is the same as disgraceful action from the fans towards their own player.

 

[Mike09]

No they weren't, look at the facts I posted. Our worst form of the season came with Fellaini's longest run in the team, our best form of the season came when he was injured. If you want to praise Fellaini last season because he played well in our best games that helped us reach top 4 then that's fine, I agree with you. But it's dishonest not to acknowledge that this season it's been the reverse.

Some of our best form this season such as FA cup game when Fellaini played, Stoke City 3-0 game and Chelsea 1-1 game which where Fellaini played a very good game. But you know what forget it. it was silly if we are debating which one worst and which one best. They are all the same thing "Bad", even when we won it looks to me they are still boring or poor games. I can only acknowledge Stoke City 3-0 game and Arsenal 3-2 game. But still, doesn't mean it was right to boo our own single player who tired his best.

 

[Perrick Dubois]

What does that mean? I don't think elbowing people screams professionalism at me.

It means that despite being literally jeered and boo'd by his own fans twice... He still turns out and isn't a spineless coward who hides in the dressing room. He still comes out every game and plays despite it being made obvious (and I am not talking about "oh boo hoo the press wrote some articles", I am talking about literally booed by his own fans here) that the fans don't like him and don't want him in the team.

The manager himself had to basically come out and call the fans a bunch of hysterical bell-ends for giving him that kind of reception. Even if Van Gaal has lost the plot it should tell you everything you need to know about the situation really.

Its not a case of throwing anyone under the bus (although now that you mention it, that is certainly a theme in this thread). I will say it bluntly then: he wasnt anything like as bad as is being made out, which is pretty much the norm.

Spot on. He is just a verbal punching bag for over emotional fans thrashing around trying to make sense of why the season has imploded. He may not have been subjected to scapegoating (in the pedantic way Cheesy had to explain it all for us) from the majority of the fans but the over aggressive nature to critique his game as if he was signed from the Forest of Fangorn Football Club is unnecessary. Those users can't be taken seriously.