[.Rossi]

Bit bizarre how people are saying he's trying his best.

He's bottling out of 50/50s, he's not even arsed tracking his man, he rarely breaks into a sprint and instead slowly jogs around the place, he constantly fouls, he's constantly throwing snide elbows, I can't recall if I've ever seen him make a slide tackle (Don't think I have) he leaves his position countless times and he constantly takes the easy way out... There was a moment against West Ham where he could have slipped a ball through to Martial, who would have then had an opportunity to create a chance for himself... Fellaini turned around and passed it back to Rojo...

As for celebrating his substitution, it's been 3 years of utter shite from the guy. If he was an Arsenal player, Gooner Claude's head would have exploded after the first 6 months.
Teddy Sheringham got far worse abuse from fans up until that FA cup final in 1999 and let's not forget fans celebrating Giggs' substitution. They were proper disgraces

 

[Roboc7]

That is exactly how you people are scapegoating a single player. Is this some kind of a joke? You are ignoring some games where Fellaini looked much better before injured and some facts. With Fellaini what happen with the one against Liverpool 1-0? What happen with the game when Fellaini play against Southampton and we were 0-0 half time, and then when he was off the Austin scored the winning goal from set pieces? What happen with the game when we won 3-0?
Without Fellaini what happen with the game when we lost against Sunderland and WBA??
You even counted Swansea game when he only played 13th min. You counted Arsenal game when we already lost the game before half time. You count City game when he played only 15 minutes.

Firstly the players need to play more than 45 minutes or be a starter.
Swansea City 2-1 Manchester United (13mins) (Doesn't count)
Manchester United 3-1 Liverpool (90mins) (3 points)
Arsenal 3-0 Manchester United (45mins) (Doesn't count or if you want to count this then count as a 0-0 when Fellaini is on and 3-0 without Fellaini)
Everton 0-3 Manchester United (9mins) (Doesn't count)
Manchester United 0-0 Man City (15mins) (Doesn't count)
Crystal Palace 0-0 Manchester United (21mins) (Doesn't count or if we count this then count as 0-0 both with and without Fellaini)
Manchester United 0-0 West Ham (90mins) (1 point)
Bournemouth 2-1 Manchester United (74mins) (0 point) (He scored though)
Manchester United 1-2 Norwich City (60mins) (0 point)
Stoke City 2-0 Manchester United (90mins) (0 point)
Newcastle 3-3 Manchester United (90mins) (1 point)
Liverpool 0-1 Manchester United (90mins) (3 points)
Manchester United 0-1 Southampton (45mins) (Since he is starter then count this game but as 0-0, ironic that we lost because Austin scored with header from set pieces which Fellaini could be a better option to mark Austin) (1 point)
Manchester United 3-0 Stoke City (3 points)
Manchester United 1-1 Chelsea (70-80th mins) (remember this game he was on the pitch more than 70th min, the score was 1-0 for us we could have won the game if Fellaini didn't come off for Schneiderlin as Fellaini had a good game and Schneiderlin played poor when he came on and we looked worse when Fellaini was off and then conceded) (1 point but could get 3 points if he stayed)


So total with Fellaini minimum we got 3 won, 4 drew, 3 lost. 1.3 points per game. And maximum we could have got 4 won, 3 drew, 3 lost 1.5 points per game.

And in contrast without Fellaini total 9 won, 5 drew, 6 lost. 1.6 points per game. And if we counted the 1-1 Chelsea game when Fellaini was off and we conceded then 9 won, 6 drew and 6 lost which gave us 1.57 points per game.

I can't see any different if Fellaini played or no. Same results overall and if you watch the game from the beginning of season the style of our play is still the same thing as well.

Manchester United 1-0 Tottenham (3 points)
Aston Villa 0-1 Manchester United (3 points)
Manchester United 0-0 Newcastle United (1 point)
Swansea 2-1 Manchester United (0 point)
Southampton 2-3 Manchester United (3 points)
Manchester United 3-0 Sunderland (3 points)
Arsenal 3-0 Manchester United (0 point)
Everton 0-3 Manchester United (3 points)
Manchester United 0-0 Man City (1 point)
Crystal Palace 0-0 Manchester United (1 point)
Manchester United 2-0 West Bromwich Albion (3 points)
Watford 1-2 Manchester United (0 point)
Leicester City 1-1 Manchester United (1 point)
Manchester United 0-0 Chelsea (1 point)
Manchester United 2-1 Swansea City (3 points)
Manchester United 0-1 Southampton (45mins) (Since he is starter then count this game but as 0-0, ironic that we lost because Austin scored with header from set pieces which Fellaini could be a better option to mark Austin) (0 point)
Manchester United 1-1 Chelsea (70-80th mins) (remember this game he was on the pitch more than 70th min, the score was 1-0 for us we could have won the game if Fellaini didn't come off for Schneiderlin as Fellaini had a good game and Schneiderlin played poor when he came on and we looked worse when Fellaini was off and then conceded) (1 point and could get 3 points if he stayed)
Sunderland 2-1 Manchester United (0 point)
Manchester United 3-2 Arsenal (3 points)
Manchester United 1-0 Watfrod (3 points)
WBA 0-1 Manchester United (0 point)


It's the same thing with Suarez was being racist to Evra. Is that a reflex to you?? Booing their own player is the thing people who can't think of anything smarter to do because of their obstruction than make a primitive groaning noise. And what makes it even worse is booing one player alone who is still wearing the shirt and tried his best which is the same as disgraceful action from the fans towards their own player.

In some of the games we won you are using to back up your argument he didn't actually play, he has started about three or four league games this season that we have won, whether people like it or not this season we are more likely not win when he plays.

 

[Mike09]

In some of the games we won you are using to back up your argument he didn't actually play, he has started about three or four league games this season that we have won, whether people like it or not this season we are more likely not win when he plays.

But some of the games we lost, he didn't actually play either. The fact whether he played or no, we did get the same result and performance. Inconsistent, poor results and poor playing style. The point is it's not right to boo your own player.

 

[harms]

It's the same thing with Suarez was being racist to Evra

Wow

 

[iKeano]

It's the same thing with Suarez was being racist to Evra. Is that a reflex to you?? Booing their own player is the thing people who can't think of anything smarter to do because of their obstruction than make a primitive groaning noise. And what makes it even worse is booing one player alone who is still wearing the shirt and tried his best which is the same as disgraceful action from the fans towards their own player.

Suarez?! Racist?! Wow.... That escalated quickly!

Got it.... Don't boo one player alone who is still wearing the shirt.
From here on I'll reserve booing for racist groups of shirtless players only.
Many thanks

 

[Mike09]

Suarez?! Racist?! Wow.... That escalated quickly!

Got it.... Don't boo one player alone who is still wearing the shirt.
From here on I'll reserve booing for racist groups of shirtless players only.
Many thanks

So what's the issue here with Suarez was being racist to Evra?
Fans are booing their own players. Suarez was being racist to Evra. It's the same thing as acting as people who can't think of anything smarter to do because of their obstruction than make a primitive groaning noise. Both are stupid action that come out from mouth which hurting their feeling.

 

[devilish]

So what's the issue here with Suarez was being racist to Evra?
Fans are booing their own players. Suarez was being racist to Evra. It's the same thing as acting as people who can't think of anything smarter to do because of their obstruction than make a primitive groaning noise. Both are stupid action that come out from mouth which hurting their feeling.

So what exactly should fans do whenever a player is playing cack and not giving his 100%?

 

[Mike09]

So what exactly should fans do whenever a player is playing cack and not giving his 100%?

So Fellaini is the only one in the team who played cack and not giving 100%???

 

[devilish]

So Fellaini is the only one in the team who played cack and not giving 100%???

Its rude to answer a question with another question especially since I've already answered that question

I'll ask again what should fans do whenever a player is playing cack and not giving his 100%? I repeat, this is not about Fellaini but in general.

 

[iKeano]

So what's the issue here with Suarez was being racist to Evra?
Fans are booing their own players. Suarez was being racist to Evra. It's the same thing as acting as people who can't think of anything smarter to do because of their obstruction than make a primitive groaning noise. Both are stupid action that come out from mouth which hurting their feeling.

Just... Wow.

 

[Mike09]

Its rude to answer a question with another question especially since I've already answered that question

I'll ask again what should fans do whenever a player is playing cack and not giving his 100%? Let me specify it to you, its in general not reserved to only Fellaini.

It's called a rhetorical question!! So it's rude when someone used a rethorical question but not rude when fans booing their own single player as a scapegoat? Wow!!
The answer is already there. So Fellaini is the only one in the team who played cack and not giving 100%???
Is it hard to understand? Do I need longer explanation? It's not my fault if you don't understand a rhetorical question!! Fellaini just came back from injury, he's clearly not fit and it's not his fault that the manager started him. But when Fellaini did give his 100% and played well against Liverpool(1-0), Chelsea (1-1), Stoke City (3-0), Derby (FA cup) there is no credit for him but when Schneiderlin, Mata and the rest didn't give 100% and played cack none give them a boo.

 

[Mike09]

Just... Wow.

Is that the best thing you can answer? Might should just not replying if you can't reply because you know I was right that being racist and booing their own players are both stupid action. If you think they are not then I might should be the one who said "Just... Wow".

 

[devilish]

It's called a rhetorical question!! So it's rude when someone used a rethorical question but not rude when fans booing their own single player as a scapegoat? Wow!!
The answer is already there. So Fellaini is the only one in the team who played cack and not giving 100%???
Is it hard to understand? Do I need longer explanation? It's not my fault if you don't understand a rhetorical question!! Fellaini just came back from injury, he's clearly not fit and it's not his fault that the manager started him. But when Fellaini did give his 100% and played well against Liverpool(1-0), Chelsea (1-1), Stoke City (3-0), Derby (FA cup) there is no credit for him but when Schneiderlin, Mata and the rest didn't give 100% and played cack none give them a boo.

Id repeat what should fans do if a player is cack and not giving his 100%? As said before its not about Fellaini but in general. Comeon you can answer to that

 

[Born2Lose]

From reading this thread you would think he's the guy who got stupidly sent off against West Brom or the guy who gifted Liverpool the goal that finished us off.

 

[Mike09]

Id repeat what should fans do if a player is cack and not giving his 100%? As said before its not about Fellaini but in general. Comeon you can answer that

Oh in general. Oh Okay let's talk about it in Fellaini thread. Might should just call this as a "general discussion"
I will just gonna answer it to shut you down. Criticised the players. Simple.

 

[iKeano]

Is that the best thing you can answer? Might should just not replying if you can't reply because you know I was right that being racist and booing their own players are both stupid action. If you think they are not then I might should be the one who said "Just... Wow".

You've lost touch with the discussion.... Booing someone for being a terrible footballer, and being racist, are two insanely different things.
I refuse to be dragged into such a bizarre argument.
You think Fellaini is good. You think booing is racist. I disagree with both, let's just leave it at that.

 

[stevoc]

Seems like some of these stats being posted are a bit skewed.

Does anyone have the stats from this season just from the games he started?

I mean i could be wrong but we can't have won more than 3-4 games that he has started from what i can remember.

 

[devilish]

Oh in general. Oh Okay let's talk about it in Fellaini thread. Might should just call this as a "general discussion"
I will just gonna answer it to shut you down. Criticised the players. Simple.

But how would you criticize the players? Would you just bitch on a forum no player/manager reads? Would you call MUTV a TV station no player/manager (for their own good sake that tv station is poor) probably watches? Please do share your pearls of wisdom with us

 

[Mike09]

Seems like some of these stats being posted are a bit skewed.

Does anyone have the stats from this season just from the games he started?

I mean i could be wrong but we can't have won more than 3-4 games that he has started from what i can remember.

Check them out. He started in Stoke City game (3-0), He started in Liverpool (1-0) and (3-1) that's already 3 games. He started in Chelsea game (1-1) which we could have won that game if Fellaini stayed on the pitch who actually had a good game that night while Schneiderlin who replaced him went forward and was jogging to drop back when they launched the counter attack for Chelsea's goal and to be fair he didn't have a good game when he replaced Fellaini. I'm not saying that with Fellaini we will be better, my point is he doesn't deserve to be the only scapegoat.

 

[stevoc]

Oh in general. Oh Okay let's talk about it in Fellaini thread. Might should just call this as a "general discussion"
I will just gonna answer it to shut you down. Criticised the players. Simple.

To be fair mate, isn't booing a form of criticism?

I don't like to see the fans booing our own players, not even the likes Richardson years ago who i didn't like and was also shit as well. But Fellaini has been serving up shit for 3 years now, yes he didn't sign himself and he doesn't pick himself.

But people get frustrated having to watch him every week, it was bound to happen soon rather than later when he keeps getting picked despite it not working or making much sense. I hope Van Gaal takes it on board and gives Fellaini a break as i wouldn't like to see him get booed every week.

 

[Mike09]

But how would you criticize the players? Would you just bitch on a forum no player/manager reads? Would you call MUTV a TV station no player/manager (for their own good sake that tv station is poor) probably watches? Please do share your pearls of wisdom with us

Yeah that's what the fans should do. You do realise that media is also involving. The pundit is also criticised players. Booing our own player straight to a single player when there are 11 players on the pitch who also do poor won't make situation better. It makes worse.

 

[devilish]

Yeah that's what the fans should do. You do realise that media is also involving. The pundit is also criticised players. Booing our own player straight to a single player when there are 11 players on the pitch who also do poor won't make situation better. It makes worse.

Ah so your suggestion is to bitch on a forum no player/manager/admin probably read or call MUTV a heavily censored TV station no player/manager/admin care about? Smart. .

 

[Mike09]

To be fair mate, isn't booing a form of criticism?

I don't like to see the fans booing our own players, not even the likes Richardson years ago who i didn't like and was also shit as well. But Fellaini has been serving up shit for 3 years now, yes he didn't sign himself and he doesn't pick himself.

But people get frustrated having to watch him every week, it was bound to happen soon rather than later when he keeps getting picked despite it not working or making much sense. I hope Van Gaal takes it on board and gives Fellaini a break as i wouldn't like to see him get booed every week.

In a sense of not smart thing to do. Scholes criticised players and manager are what you called it the right way of criticism. Booing players are just people who can't think of anything smarter to do because of their obstruction than make a primitive groaning noise. We did play good football last season in 4141 with Fellaini, Carrick and Herrera in midfield. He did has some good game this season. I'm not saying he's good or United quality but to be fair some of our players also played bad this season and considered to be non United quality but Fellaini is being the only scapegoat.

 

[devilish]

In a sense of not smart thing to do. Scholes criticised players and manager are what you called it the right way of criticism. Booing players are just people who can't think of anything smarter to do because of their obstruction than make a primitive groaning noise. We did play good football last season in 4141 with Fellaini, Carrick and Herrera in midfield. He did has some good game this season. I'm not saying he's good or United quality but to be fair some of our players also played bad this season and considered to be non United quality but Fellaini is being the only scapegoat.

Scholes can speak on TV. Most fans do not. Their only contact to the players is during the game

 

[settembrini]

Seems like some of these stats being posted are a bit skewed.

Does anyone have the stats from this season just from the games he started?

I mean i could be wrong but we can't have won more than 3-4 games that he has started from what i can remember.

Liverpool (h) 3-1
West Ham (h) 0-0
Bournemouth (a) 2-1
Norwich (h) 1-2
Stoke (a) 2-0
Newcastle (a) 3-3
Liverpool (a) 0-1
Southampton (h) 0-1
Stoke (h) 3-0
Chelsea (a) 1-1
3 wins, 3 draws, 4 losses.

1.2 points per game, significantly worse than when he is not playing, anyone saying otherwise should be a politician.

 

[Mike09]

Ah so your suggestion is to bitch on a forum no player/manager/admin probably read or call MUTV a heavily censored TV station no player/manager/admin care about? Smart. .

I already said that's what the fans can if you wanna criticise players. Forum and media are involved by the fans. You also do realise that the players have their own social media account and a lot of people are already criticising players in their social media account. I would be surprise if you think booing a single player in a stadium is a smart thing to do.

 

[Mike09]

You've lost touch with the discussion.... Booing someone for being a terrible footballer, and being racist, are two insanely different things.
I refuse to be dragged into such a bizarre argument.
You think Fellaini is good. You think booing is racist. I disagree with both, let's just leave it at that.

Well I guess I was being too much drag the Suarez vs Evra thing. But both of them are not a smart action, that's the point I am trying to make!!
When did I say Fellaini is good? I have been saying this many times already Fellaini has been bad but so does most of our players and our playing style. So Fellaini shouldn't be the only scapegoat.

 

[stevoc]

Liverpool (h) 3-1
West Ham (h) 0-0
Bournemouth (a) 2-1
Norwich (h) 1-2
Stoke (a) 2-0
Newcastle (a) 3-3
Liverpool (a) 0-1
Southampton (h) 0-1
Stoke (h) 3-0
Chelsea (a) 1-1
3 wins, 3 draws, 4 losses.

1.2 points per game, significantly worse than when he is not playing, anyone saying otherwise should be a politician.

Cheers

Check them out. He started in Stoke City game (3-0), He started in Liverpool (1-0) and (3-1) that's already 3 games. He started in Chelsea game (1-1) which we could have won that game if Fellaini stayed on the pitch who actually had a good game that night while Schneiderlin who replaced him went forward and was jogging to drop back when they launched the counter attack for Chelsea's goal and to be fair he didn't have a good game when he replaced Fellaini. I'm not saying that with Fellaini we will be better, my point is he doesn't deserve to be the only scapegoat.

Ok checked them out.

Games where Fellaini started:

P-17
W-6
D-5
L-6

Games where Fellaini did not start:

P-29
W-16
D-7
L-6

Now theres no skewing of stats here including losses for Fellaini where he only came on as a sub or anything. This is simply games that started with or without Fellaini. And just as i thought he is definitely a negative influence and significantly lowers our chances of winning when he starts.

 

[devilish]

I already said that's what the fans can if you wanna criticise players. Forum and media are involved by the fans. You also do realise that the players have their own social media account and a lot of people are already criticising players in their social media account. I would be surprise if you think booing a single player in a stadium is a smart thing to do.

Which forum and which media?

Also I find criticizing on the player's personal twitter's account is far more abusive than booing them

 

[Mike09]

Cheers



Ok checked them out.

Games where Fellaini started:

P-17
W-6
D-5
L-6

Games where Fellaini did not start:

P-29
W-16
D-7
L-6

Now theres no skewing of stats here including losses for Fellaini where he only came on as a sub or anything. This is simply games that started with or without Fellaini. And just as i thought he is definitely a negative influence and significantly lowers our chances of winning when he starts.

Oh I thought he was talking about league games. Well I guess it's not my fault, I was just replying his post. It's not like we are expecting to lose without Fellaini against the likes of FC Mitjland, FC Brugge and etc in a capital one cup and FA Cup (you know what teams I am talking about)

 

[stevoc]

In a sense of not smart thing to do. Scholes criticised players and manager are what you called it the right way of criticism. Booing players are just people who can't think of anything smarter to do because of their obstruction than make a primitive groaning noise. We did play good football last season in 4141 with Fellaini, Carrick and Herrera in midfield. He did has some good game this season. I'm not saying he's good or United quality but to be fair some of our players also played bad this season and considered to be non United quality but Fellaini is being the only scapegoat.

He's not the only player having a bad season mate thats true. But he is currently in his 2nd-3rd bad season for us out of 3.

Yes other players are playing bad but it's likely they are just out of form. Is Fellaini out of form?

I don't think that he is out of form this is just how he plays, i don't necessarily think he gets more criticism than other players but if he does it's because he is just so out of place. He just doesn't belong in any side trying to play good football.

The likes of Schneiderlin, Depay etc. are out of form but have the potential to find form and be very good players in a good footballing side. The same cannot be said for Fellaini.

 

[Mike09]

Which forum and which media?

Also I find criticizing on the player's personal twitter's account is far more abusive than booing them

YouTube, Twitter, Instagram, Facebook and etc. All of these including the pundits well basically all criticism in media, social media, their account and etc would sometime be in the news.
It is madness and abusive. That's why I never do that. But booing a single player is just make it even worse especially after the abuse in media.

 

[stevoc]

Oh I thought he was talking about league games. Well I guess it's not my fault, I was just replying his post. It's not like we are expecting to lose without Fellaini against the likes of FC Mitjland, FC Brugge and etc in a capital one cup and FA Cup (you know what teams I am talking about)

Look mate i'm not trying to blame Fellaini for every loss where he started, but those stats i posted are pretty damning are they not?

Theres no real way around it statistically we are a much poorer side when he plays.

And thats before we even get into performances. When he plays we rarely control a game, which is mad because we are supposed to be playing possession football. When we are not even doing that then something in our strategy is going very wrong.

 

[devilish]

YouTube, Twitter, Instagram, Facebook and etc. All of these including the pundits well basically all criticism in media, social media, their account and etc would sometime be in the news.
It is madness and abusive. That's why I never do that. But booing a single player is just make it even worse especially after the abuse in media.

Considering that you believe its madness and abusive then how exactly could fans deliver their message to the club in an appropriate manner? Cause they do have a right to make their voice heard don't they? After all they are the people who are paying these gentlemen's salary.

Please don't tell me the Paddy show

 

[Mike09]

He's not the only player having a bad season mate thats true. But he is currently in his 2nd-3rd bad season for us out of 3.

Yes other players are playing bad but it's likely they are just out of form. Is Fellaini out of form?

I don't think that he is out of form this is just how he plays, i don't necessarily think he gets more criticism than other players but if he does it's because he is just so out of place. He just doesn't belong in any side trying to play good football.

The likes of Schneiderlin, Depay etc. are out of form but have the potential to find form and be very good players in a good footballing side. The same cannot be said for Fellaini.

He had a good season last season to be fair. 1st and 3rd season a lot of players are playing bad. To be honest I haven't been impressed with Mata and Fellaini as well in these last three years.

Schneiderlin should in his prime age now. Potential or no, the point is your performance. Nani has more potential than Park but Park had a better career than Nani. Schneiderlin, Memphis and Fellaini and also the most our players have been poor this season. So Fellaini shouldn't be the only scapegoat.

 

[Mike09]

Look mate i'm not trying to blame Fellaini for every loss where he started, but those stats i posted are pretty damning are they not?

Theres no real way around it statistically we are a much poorer side when he plays.

And thats before we even get into performances. When he plays we rarely control a game, which is mad because we are supposed to be playing possession football. When we are not even doing that then something in our strategy is going very wrong.

I don't even read your stats because I'm not the one who start with those stats all I did just back it up as you thought it was incorrect. From the start my point is players have poor this season not just Fellaini so Fellaini shouldn't be the only scapegoat. And booing your own player isn't a smart thing to do. I couldn't care less about stats or whatever. Too much discussion here and I don't wanna involve with something that too stretch from what I have been talking since yesterday.

 

[devilish]

I don't even read your stats because I'm not the one who start with those stats all I did just back it up as you thought it was incorrect. From the start my point is players have poor this season not just Fellaini so Fellaini shouldn't be the only scapegoat. And booing your own player isn't a smart thing to do. I couldn't care less about stats or whatever. Too much discussion here and I don't wanna involve with something that too stretch from what I have been talking since yesterday.

So basically the fans shouldn't boo Fellaini because that's what Mike09 told them to do. Smart

Are you a season ticket holder by any chance?

 

[Mike09]

Considering that you believe its madness and abusive then how exactly could fans deliver their message to the club in an appropriate manner? Cause they do have a right to make their voice heard don't they? After all they are the people who are paying these gentlemen's salary.

Please don't tell me the Paddy show

Media? Social media? Even now there is a youtube channel called Full Time Devils to help this one out. Didn't we already boo the whole team and manager before this season right? So the fans have been delivered the message to the club in an appropriate manner but all of sudden the fans against WHU yesterday are being unfair for booing a single player only instead of the whole team which most of the players played poor.

 

[Dobbs]

Id repeat what should fans do if a player is cack and not giving his 100%? As said before its not about Fellaini but in general. Comeon you can answer to that

If a player underperforms he gets subbed off. That's his "punishment" and that's what happened. If he continues to underperform he'll ultimately be sold. As a fan you have no role in that side of things.

Do you think shouting boo will have an impact on the manager and his decisions?

 

[devilish]

If a player underperforms he gets subbed off. That's his "punishment" and that's what happened. If he continues to underperform he'll ultimately be sold. As a fan you have no role in that side of things.

Do you think shouting boo will have an impact on the manager and his decisions?

So basically the fans are there to pay the players, manager's salaries and clap irrespective of the circumstances. A bit like cash cows. I wonder whether we've got a section called Manchester Youths were kids are forced to wear black shirts and trousers.