[united_99]

Such a pointless "footballer".

I always automatically want our players ' international teams do well if the player is playing, even our ex players, but I just don't feel anything like that when he / Belgium are playing.

 

[devilish]

not sure why you think I'd think that

Im asking you if its the case

 

[Henrik Larsson]

same old same old

 

[devilish]

There's some serious pro Fellaini bias in here. Lets see what the Italians think about him

http://www.sportface.it/in-evidenza/euro-2016-le-pagelle-di-italia-belgio/45683

Rating 5.5 - Behind Courtious, Ciman, Vermaelen, Vertonghen, Naingollan and at par with the likes of Hazard and Lukaku

http://serieanews.com/100805/italia-belgio-n-n-highlights-e-pagelle-europei-2016/

Rating 6 - Behind Courtious and Hazard

http://www.calciomercato.com/news/b...inggolan-timido-male-lukaku-difesa-ter-615154

Rating 6 - behind Courtious and Mertens

http://www.stopandgoal.net/2016/06/13/prima-pagina/pagelle-belgio-italia-bonucci-extraterrestre/

Rating 6.5 - behind Courtious and Hazard

http://www.ilovepalermocalcio.com/press/euro-2016-belgio-0-2e-pagelle-del-match/

Rating 5.5 - behind Courtious, Ciman, Alderwiereld, Vermaelen, Vertonghen, Witsel, Naingollan, Mertens and Hazard

Best player my .....

 

[KM]

The pointless footballer was one of the main reasons why we won the FA Cup. The Caf won't notice it though cos most of them are too busy wanking over Herrera who has been hugely ineffectual this season.

 

[devilish]

The pointless footballer was one of the main reasons why we won the FA Cup. The Caf won't notice it though cos most of them are too busy wanking over Herrera who has been hugely ineffectual this season.

FA cup, serious matter

Who were the finalists? Ah yes...Crystal Palace. What a team.

 

[Kostur]

FA cup, serious matter

Who were the finalists? Ah yes...Crystal Palace. What a team.

Next time when they ask us who we want to play we'll ask for Barcelona.

 

[devilish]

Next time when they ask us who we want to play we'll ask for Barcelona.

They prefer competing in the CL I am afraid. The FA cup is becoming a cup for those whose got little chance of winning anything else. Arsenal, us, Wigan. Also the finals are usually thrilling...Man United vs Palace, Wigan vs Manchester City, Arsenal vs Aston Villa or Hull, Manchester City vs Stoke....wow.

 

[Kostur]

They prefer competing in the CL I am afraid. The FA cup is becoming a cup for those whose got little chance of winning anything else. Arsenal, us, Wigan....the finals are usually thrilling...Man United vs Palace, Wigan vs Manchester City, Arsenal vs Aston Villa or Hull, Manchester City vs Stoke....wow

Yeah, there are no matches like Madrid vs Bate or Barcelona vs Krasnodar in the CL either. Next time Fellaini decides who he plays in the quarter/semis/final we should expect him to pick somebody more challenging.

 

[devilish]

Yeah, there are no matches like Madrid vs Bate or Barcelona vs Krasnodar either in the CL. Next time Fellaini decides who he plays in the quarter/semis/final we should expect him to pick somebody more challenging.

I've yet to see Bate and Krasnodar in the CL final

And he did have a more challenging game yesterday. Unfortunately he ended up running like a dog behind a ball as the Italian midfielders schooled him again and again. Size seems always to lose against brains

 

[led_scholes]

The pointless footballer was one of the main reasons why we won the FA Cup. The Caf won't notice it though cos most of them are too busy wanking over Herrera who has been hugely ineffectual this season.

Wasn't Herrera's effort that won us the game against Everton? Etc Good things can be said for anyone. Point is Fellaini is a focal point in our team and now we are a midtable team.

 

[KM]

Wasn't Herrera's effort that won us the game against Everton? Etc Good things can be said for anyone. Point is Fellaini is a focal point in our team and now we are a midtable team.

Yeah right, that is a good comparison to Fellaini who scored against in the QF replay, SF and had a good performance in the finals.

 

[Kostur]

Wasn't Herrera's effort that won us the game against Everton? Etc Good things can be said for anyone. Point is Fellaini is a focal point in our team and now we are a midtable team.

He isn't a focal point of our team, at no point was he.

I've yet to see Bate and Krasnodar in the CL final

And he did have a more challenging game yesterday. Unfortunately he ended up running like a dog behind a ball as the Italian midfielders schooled him again and again. Size seems always to lose against class

But since CL is so glorious then such shit teams should even be there, amrite? If you want some minnows in the finals then BVB (compared to the Bayerns, Barcelonas et al. before you try to jump the gun), Monaco, Porto would be your best shots.

He's had challenging games against City, Chelsea, Tottenham, this year or last year and didn't fail to deliver either. The whole Belgian team was schooled yesterday, trying to single him out while he was one of their better performers yesterday is as silly as it gets but what's new.

Oh, and just to make it clear since it looks you missed the point, you get to play what's in front of you.

 

[KM]

Yeah, there are no matches like Madrid vs Bate or Barcelona vs Krasnodar in the CL either. Next time Fellaini decides who he plays in the quarter/semis/final we should expect him to pick somebody more challenging.

Don't bother mate, just remember this quote whenever he replies

"Don't argue with idiots. They'll drag you down to their level then beat you with experience"

 

[VivaObertan]

I've yet to see Bate and Krasnodar in the CL final

And he did have a more challenging game yesterday. Unfortunately he ended up running like a dog behind a ball as the Italian midfielders schooled him again and again. Size seems always to lose against class

Yeah, blame Fellaini for his team making poor decisions throughout the game.

When you're writing every other post in a thread you should recognise that you probably hold a little bit of bias.

Fellaini was one of our best players over the past 18 months and when others played like League 1 players whilst being adored by the fans, he was being booed and still stepped up.

Your UCL/FA Cup argument is dumb to say the least. We will leave it at that.

 

[Robbie Boy]

http://www.espnfc.com/european-cham...elgium-let-down-by-marouane-fellaini-vs-italy

 

[Amar__]

He needs only couple of good games for us for people to say that we won those games just because of him. You would think we never won the game without him in our side. He scored fecking 3 goals all season despite even playing as a striker at times ffs.

Mamy still say we reached the top4 last season only because of him.

The pointless footballer was one of the main reasons why we won the FA Cup. The Caf won't notice it though cos most of them are too busy wanking over Herrera who has been hugely ineffectual this season.

Have you even been in Herrera's thread this season? Majority are saying he's had really shit season including his biggest fans(you can include me too there), how can you even say something like that?

I really hate this thread for things like this. Anytime he plays well his team has won the game because of him, maybe because you people think he is better than Messi?

 

[devilish]

Yeah, blame Fellaini for his team making poor decisions throughout the game.

When you're writing every other post in a thread you should recognise that you probably hold a little bit of bias.

Fellaini was one of our best players over the past 18 months and when others played like League 1 players whilst being adored by the fans, he was being booed and still stepped up.

Your UCL/FA Cup argument is dumb to say the least. We will leave it at that.

I blame no-one really. The Belgian midfield is a physical midfield with little talent or technique. The manager has no option rather then to play that way. Its not as if Fellaini can play like Zidane can he? United on the other hand have a different scenario. We can actually afford bringing players in who actually know how to play football.

Regarding Fellaini All I am saying is that he's pretty a one dimensional player. He can only play no 10 and he's only effective in a game which is pretty direct and relying heavily on crosses. That game is pretty nullified if a team has tactical awareness and ability to pass the ball efficiently.

And yes we need a change in staff but especially in the system we play. That's why LVG was sacked and Mou was signed. Having said that, while some players will probably thrive under Mou I am not that sure if Fellaini can do that. As said before he's a pretty a one dimensional player which limits his game a lot

 

[devilish]

He isn't a focal point of our team, at no point was he.



But since CL is so glorious then such shit teams should even be there, amrite? If you want some minnows in the finals then BVB (compared to the Bayerns, Barcelonas et al. before you try to jump the gun), Monaco, Porto would be your best shots.

He's had challenging games against City, Chelsea, Tottenham, this year or last year and didn't fail to deliver either. The whole Belgian team was schooled yesterday, trying to single him out while he was one of their better performers yesterday is as silly as it gets but what's new.

Oh, and just to make it clear since it looks you missed the point, you get to play what's in front of you.

So you're comparing Monaco and Porto to Stoke and Palace? Seriously?

The CL is the pinnacle of football. The FA cup is a non cup ie a 4th priority behind the EPL title, top 4 qualification and the UEFA cup (whose winner gets a place in the CL) and ahead to the league cup and the charity shield. It had become the sort of club losers tend to aim to because there's nothing for them to win.

That's why the manager of the FA cup winner team ended up fired few days later.

 

[prath92]

So you're comparing Monaco and Porto to Stoke and Palace? Seriously?

The CL is the pinnacle of football. The FA cup is a non cup ie a 4th priority behind the EPL title, top 4 qualification and the UEFA cup (whose winner gets a place in the CL) and ahead to the league cup and the charity shield. It had become the sort of club losers tend to aim to because there's nothing for them to win.

That's why the manager of the FA cup winner team ended up fired few days later.

The winner of the FA Cup gets into Europe too. So your problem is that we didn't face Arsenal in te FA cup? Palace beat Spurs and Watford (who beat Arsenal). We beat Everton (who beat Chelsea who had beaten city) and west ham (who beat Liverpool). Clearly it's not as easy as saying 'we beat only palace'.

 

[devilish]

The winner of the FA Cup gets into Europe too. So your problem is that we didn't face Arsenal in te FA cup? Palace beat Spurs and Watford (who beat Arsenal). We beat Everton (who beat Chelsea who had beaten city) and west ham (who beat Liverpool). Clearly it's not as easy as saying 'we beat only palace'.

Yeah the Europa league, ie the FA cup version of the CL - the chance of playing in the CL if you actually win it.

I have no problem with anything really. All I am saying is that the FA cup hasn't been a top priority for top clubs for a long long time. You only have to see the past few finals to acknowledge that.

Do you think that United wouldn't trade the FA Cup win to a top 4 place?

 

[Insanity]

Won't he be entering the final year of his contract? Unless we plan to give him an extension, which would be Nani level ridiculousness, I don't see him being here next season.

 

[JPRouve]

The information should probably be posted here, United have the 7th tallest roster, it isn't a team of dwarf.

 

[prath92]

Yeah the Europa league, ie the FA cup version of the CL - the chance of playing in the CL if you actually win it.

I have no problem with anything really. All I am saying is that the FA cup hasn't been a top priority for top clubs for a long long time. You only have to see the past few finals to acknowledge that.

Do you think that United wouldn't trade the FA Cup win to a top 4 place?

Most smaller teams prefer to qualify for Europe and play their best in the FA cup. Wigan were relegated the year they beat second in the league city in the cup final. Teams play much better in FA cups.

It's irrelevant what united fans would choose. Your earlier point was that FA cup final was not a big enough game because it's only crystal palace. Which obviously couldn't be more wrong. Teams play much better generally in the FA cup than they do in the league.

 

[devilish]

Most smaller teams prefer to qualify for Europe and play their best in the FA cup. Wigan were relegated the year they beat second in the league city in the cup final. Teams play much better in FA cups.

It's irrelevant what united fans would choose. Your earlier point was that FA cup final was not a big enough game because it's only crystal palace. Which obviously couldn't be more wrong. Teams play much better generally in the FA cup than they do in the league.

I always thought United to be among the top clubs.

My point is that the FA Cup had become 5th priority for clubs like ours behind the CL win, the EPL title, top 4 qualification and even winning the UEFA cup. A consolation prize when they can achieve anything else. Hence why lower tier clubs tend to find themselves in the finals. The top clubs doesn't really take it seriously.

 

[devilish]

The information should probably be posted here, United have the 7th tallest roster, it isn't a team of dwarf.

That took me by surprise to be honest. I think things will improve further if Bailly takes Blind's spot in CB and Embolo is signed

 

[prath92]

I always thought United to be among the top clubs.

My point is that the FA Cup had become 5th priority for clubs like ours behind the CL win, the EPL title, top 4 qualification and even winning the UEFA cup. A consolation prize when they can achieve anything else. Hence why lower tier clubs tend to find themselves in the finals. The top clubs doesn't really take it seriously.

So what? The point here isn't that FA Cup > CL. Your point earlier was that Fellaini playing well in the FA Cup is not good enough as we only faced crystal palace. Fellaini is hardly the reason for our poor season anyway so all what you say is highly irrelevant here . The point that was made was that Fellaini was instrumental in our FA Cup win. And clearly the smaller teams punch above their weight against the big teams and Fellaini was integral to our win. Also consider our inability to win against teams like Norwich Sunderland and all (especially away from OT). To not give him the credit for that is just crazy. Had that been Carrick or Herrera who had that, lots here would show that as a reason for them to get ballon d'or.

No one is calling him the reincarnation of Xavi but he is clearly a talented player, more than some of the dross we have had starting for us in the past (like buttner and all). And it's not completely unlikely that he will be retained as well.

 

[stevoc]

Having a good game. Shown some good touches and has got stuck in, as usual. Loved when he took De Rossi out. Still haven't forgot about what he said about us.

Are you talking about the quote about killing himself if he had joined United?

I think people misunderstand that one, i think he meant Roma started that season winning ten games in a row and were still unbeaten. So they were looking like having their best chance of winning the league in years. I think thats what he meant, he would have been upset if they had won the league the year he left.

 

[DenisIrwin]

He needs only couple of good games for us for people to say that we won those games just because of him. You would think we never won the game without him in our side. He scored fecking 3 goals all season despite even playing as a striker at times ffs.

Mamy still say we reached the top4 last season only because of him.





Have you even been in Herrera's thread this season? Majority are saying he's had really shit season including his biggest fans(you can include me too there), how can you even say something like that?

I really hate this thread for things like this. Anytime he plays well his team has won the game because of him, maybe because you people think he is better than Messi?

I think this bolded text is a distortion. It would be truer to say he has to practically win games on his own for most people to say he had a good game.

 

[stevoc]

Can't stand the negativity. He's our player and he loves United.

He was instrumental in our FA Cup glory and yet barely gets any praise of it. If it wasn't for his goals against West Ham and Everton, we wouldn't have even got to the final. I'd argue if he played in that West Ham game at Upton Park, we would have got Top 4.

He always gives it 100%. Which is more than you can say for the majority of our "fan favourites"... Some people on here just want an entire Starting 11 every week of small weak players like Herrera and Januzaj. Absolutely no balance whatsoever. You have to change your team and tactics to counter the opposition. Fellaini is useful in the big games cause he offers strength and presence.

If you knew anything about football, you would see why every manager seems to favour him. Doesn't matter if it's Moyes or Van Gaal or Mourinho. He'll be one of the first names on the sheet.

I agree in that one match we would have got at least a draw with him in the side considering how we conceded the goals.

But conversely had he not played in any other league match where he was deployed in a midfield 2 where he was awful and we continually got overran we would have got better results in those matches and qualified for the CL maybe even before that West Ham game.

So its swings and roundabouts.

 

[JPRouve]

That took me by surprise to be honest. I think things will improve further if Bailly takes Blind's spot in CB and Embolo is signed

I don't understand how anyone can be surprised by it, even our small players aren't that small at the exception of Mata, it's baffling when people justify Fellaini's presence against teams like West ham who are smaller than us.
But on the topic of Fellaini, if Fellaini had the same dominance than Jan Koller I would gladly play to his strength but he doesn't, he is like Raul Garcia and no one want Raul Garcia.

 

[devilish]

So what? The point here isn't that FA Cup > CL. Your point earlier was that Fellaini playing well in the FA Cup is not good enough as we only faced crystal palace. Fellaini is hardly the reason for our poor season anyway so all what you say is highly irrelevant here . The point that was made was that Fellaini was instrumental in our FA Cup win. And clearly the smaller teams punch above their weight against the big teams and Fellaini was integral to our win. Also consider our inability to win against teams like Norwich Sunderland and all (especially away from OT). To not give him the credit for that is just crazy. Had that been Carrick or Herrera who had that, lots here would show that as a reason for them to get ballon d'or.

No one is calling him the reincarnation of Xavi but he is clearly a talented player, more than some of the dross we have had starting for us in the past (like buttner and all). And it's not completely unlikely that he will be retained as well.

The point is that we're overrating both Fellaini and the meaningless FA cup which no big team really takes seriously anymore unless they cant win anything else. For some strange reason it reminds me of our regular pre season game against Barcelona TBH. We usually do well against them and we have high hopes etc only for reality to kicks in when things got serious.

Pep's Barcelona, SAF's teams and even yesterday's Italy showed that you don't need neanderthals in central midfield to win games even against the most physical of sides. All you need is an effective system and talented players who do their share of workrate.

 

[led_scholes]

He isn't a focal point of our team, at no point was he.

A player who plays as a midfielder for most of the games and many times as 10 and the team even changes the gameplan according to his traits (hoofing the ball etc) is a focal point of a team.

 

[devilish]

I don't understand how anyone can be surprised by it, even our small players aren't that small at the exception of Mata, it's baffling when people justify Fellaini's presence against teams like West ham who are smaller than us.
But on the topic of Fellaini, if Fellaini had the same dominance than Jan Koller I would gladly play to his strength but he doesn't, he is like Raul Garcia and no one want Raul Garcia.

As said it did took me by surprise. I always felt that our team lack inches.

I agree 100% with your Fellaini's comment

 

[Siorac]

I think this bolded text is a distortion. It would be truer to say he has to practically win games on his own for most people to say he had a good game.

It really looks like the other way around here. If he has a few decent passes and doesn't elbow anyone, people will say he's been excellent.

Heck, some people, without a hint of sarcasm, say he's been one of our best players over the last 18 months!

 

[led_scholes]

Yeah right, that is a good comparison to Fellaini who scored against in the QF replay, SF and had a good performance in the finals.

I didn't compare anything I just mentioned that without Herrera maybe we wouldnt be in the final. The same stands for Fellaini. I just said its pointless to use 2-3 games or 2-3 highlights to shield a player that has turned us to a midtable club. If you want to compare let's talk about the Arsenal game where Fellaini didn't play or the Everton game early in the season. Or we can talk of how great Fellaini played against PSV (in the second game), or Liverpool in EL.

 

[Amar__]

I think this bolded text is a distortion. It would be truer to say he has to practically win games on his own for most people to say he had a good game.

That's true too, but then he was never good enough to win games on his own anyway, but some people say he did that.

 

[DenisIrwin]

Was he important in our late season effort to get into CL and in our cup run? I think you'd have to say he was when you consider we never lost a game he played in since the 2-0 loss at Anfield (where he was our 3rd highest rated player on whoscored and where Carrick's blunder cost us the second goal).

 

[devilish]

I didn't compare anything I just mentioned that without Herrera maybe we wouldnt be in the final. The same stands for Fellaini. I just said its pointless to use 2-3 games or 2-3 highlights to shield a player that has turned us to a midtable club. If you want to compare let's talk about the Arsenal game where Fellaini didn't play or the Everton game early in the season. Or we can talk of how great Fellaini played against PSV (in the second game), or Liverpool in EL.

I dont blame Fellaini for turning us to a midtable club. I blame the ones bringing him here as he was clearly unsuited for a top club

 

[stevoc]

It really looks like the other way around here. If he has a few decent passes and doesn't elbow anyone, people will say he's been excellent.

Heck, some people, without a hint of sarcasm, say he's been one of our best players over the last 18 months!

Yeah i have seen many say he was one of our best players last season, yet Rooney who probably had a better season overall is often rated one of our worst. It's weird

For a solid 2-3 months in central midfield Fellaini was Rooney before Xmas bad. From late March onwards when Van Gaal finally figured out he's not a central midfielder he was better . And fair play to him he was instrumental late in our cup run but for me overall he had a poor season.