Mario Hermoso - Free Agent

Is this guys as good as Telles was? Telles at least got a sweet,sweet left foot.
 
Height is important mate. A CB might be able to play sexy football but ultimately someone needs to close down the typical 6ft4 giant in opposition during corners, set pieces or crosses. However in this case its not that much of an issue for three reasons

a- Its evident that INEOS is trying to add inches in the team. Ugarte/Berge, Yoro, Zirkzee, De Ligt and Mazroui are all 6ft+
b- Hermoso will be covering for Martinez whose 5ft10 and way weaker in aerial duels then Hermoso

And we're right to be on this path. Arsenal added robustness to their style and look how it has transformed them, even Pep has added a lot of physicality to his City team. It's vital for the Prem
 
You are focusing on that too much and overblowing any potential issue.

Compare him to some very good PL CB's

Aerials won per 90

Ruben Dias - 1.79
Stones - 1.35
Akanji - 0.91
Saliba - 1.92
Varane - 1.69
Hermoso - 1.41
Konsa - 0.88
Pau Torres - 0.84

VVD - 4
Maguire - 3.9

His numbers are absolutely fine.

Actually the opposite is true. I am saying that Hermoso lack of inches is not important because he'll be acting as cover for a CB and/or a LB whose already shorter and weaker in aerial duels then he is. If you read my first posts on the matter I described this signing as a non brainer.
 
Never heard of him - but since he’s an Atletico player, does that mean he’s dirty and good at the dark arts?
 
He's 6 foot mate :lol:
For a CB that's slightly on the shorter side. The average CB height in the PL is 6ft 2 in.
This, plus he’s in the bottom 17th percentile for aerial duels won. I specifically in my initial post said if he’s playing beside Martinez there’s an obvious problem there. Read a little more.
 
This, plus he’s in the bottom 17th percentile for aerial duels won. I specifically in my initial post said if he’s playing beside Martinez there’s an obvious problem there. Read a little more.
He's very comparable to some of the best defenders in the league on aerial duels won. Maybe you should read more instead of trying to be condescending.
 
And we're right to be on this path. Arsenal added robustness to their style and look how it has transformed them, even Pep has added a lot of physicality to his City team. It's vital for the Prem

Of course it is.
 
Don't know too much about him really, and probably more agent / media links rather than anything concrete, but wouldn't be opposed to this kind of cheaper signing for our CB / LB cover.

We desperately need a very good signing for our first choice DM. With finances an issue, I'd rather us save money defensively (rather than another expensive signing in De Ligt or Branthwaite) and spend that on getting a DM of the Ugarte level. Rather than spending big on another CB and having to go down the Amrabat route for the only DM.

Though happy with Amrabat as a cheap second CM signing, same as I'd be happy with someone like Hermoso as a cheap second CB addition after Yoro.
 
so why have Atletico not extended his contract?

surplus to requirements to them...... good enough for us?
 
No idea....but anyone who plays in a Simeone defence must have something about him.........on the other hand, looking at Atleti fan comments, a lot of them reckon he's prone to defensive errors and distinctly average in that department, but a big asset in build up play. One even reckons he'd be great as a CDM......
Juices watering..... TBH part of me has wondered if the De Ligt interest is in part to give an option to play either De Ligt or Martinez as CDM if necessary, bit like Fabinho in reverse
 
He's very comparable to some of the best defenders in the league on aerial duels won. Maybe you should read more instead of trying to be condescending.
The players you are trying to compare him to are Man City and Arsenal defenders who average 60% of the ball and face a lot less work in aerial duels. Even still, guys like Saliba, Dias, Gabriel etc. are a lot higher on the percentiles and win more duels. There’s context to comparisons.

I’m only being condescending because you read one line from an entire post and went on a weird tirade about height whilst being wrong — (6ft is quite literally below the average height of a Premier League CB, and not only that, I raised it specifically in the point of pairing him with Martinez).
 
so why have Atletico not extended his contract?

surplus to requirements to them...... good enough for us?

They tried to lowball him in terms of salary.

He played 49 games for them last season (whoscored) including against the likes of Inter, Real and Barcelona
 
We were always looking for a LCB/LB irrespective of those targets.
Doubt that we were aiming to sign 4 defenders this window. We wanted upgrade on Lindelof, and cover for Dalot/Shaw, and Mazraoui and De Ligt provided that. Since AWB covers for Dalot now, we are just signing a LCB/LB player now is my guess.
 
Doubt that we were aiming to sign 4 defenders this window. We wanted upgrade on Lindelof, and cover for Dalot/Shaw, and Mazraoui and De Ligt provided that. Since AWB covers for Dalot now, we are just signing a LCB/LB player now is my guess.
Mazraoui was only bought if AWB leaves. It's been well reported we were happy to get up to 3 fresh defenders outside of that.

Very credible reporters, such as Melissa Reddy in case you don't rate Romano (who echoed the same anyway) said we want a LCB / LB whilst still being v close on De Ligt.
 
Mentioned start of the summer we should be looking at him, hopefully we get him in and De Ligt and its not just rumours
 
Mazraoui was only bought if AWB leaves. It's been well reported we were happy to get up to 3 fresh defenders outside of that.

Very credible reporters, such as Melissa Reddy in case you don't rate Romano (who echoed the same anyway) said we want a LCB / LB whilst still being v close on De Ligt.
I'll be very surprised if we go onto sign 3CBs this window. It will be quite stupid too, considering the mess our midfield is.
 
As long as we still sign De Ligt this is the worst signing. Can cover Left Back also.
 
Wouldn't be stupid at all. One of them would cover lb.
Mainoo is our only proper midfielder for the two deeper spots. Mount/Bruno are better higher up, and Casemiro/Eriksen cant run anymore.

If we have funds, priority should be getting 2 midfielders in, preferably those who can start. Not stocking up CBs, when Yoro/Martinez/New CB is more than enough. If that new CB is Hermoso who can cover LB, then De Ligt aint happening.

We are not signing 3CBs, when we have other holes all over the pitch, and we seem to be broke. The club cannot be that stupid. Bookmark this.
 
Mainoo is our only proper midfielder for the two deeper spots. Mount/Bruno are better higher up, and Casemiro/Eriksen cant run anymore.

If we have funds, priority should be getting 2 midfielders in, preferably those who can start. Not stocking up CBs, when Yoro/Martinez/New CB is more than enough. If that new CB is Hermoso who can cover LB, then De Ligt aint happening.

We are not signing 3CBs, when we have other holes all over the pitch, and we seem to be broke. The club cannot be that stupid. Bookmark this.
Licha is also our only proper CB capable of playing in a progressive style. And we literally have no fit left backs.

I dont need to bookmark anything. It's reporte we'd be open to 3 defenders if one can cover left back.

We have McT and Collyer coming through, Casemiro is still with us. Two of these guys are the equivalents of Maguire or Lindelof as options in defence.
 
Licha is also our only proper CB capable of playing in a progressive style. And we literally have no fit left backs.

I dont need to bookmark anything. It's reporte we'd be open to 3 defenders if one can cover left back.

We have McT and Collyer coming through, Casemiro is still with us. Two of these guys are the equivalents of Maguire or Lindelof as options in defence.
Just because we keep getting injuries in defence, doesnt mean we will keep hoarding players there. We are unable to sell Lindelof and Maguire. We already have 5CBs, you think we will buy 2 more and have 7CBs? Get real. I dont care what Melissa Reddy or Luckhurst says, its not happening.

Like I said Casemiro's legs are gone. And McT is no CM either, he's also better higher up.
 
Would certainly rather have him as cover at LB than Amrabat!
 
No idea who he is or how good he is. Presumably not that good if he's on a free still without a club. That being said if we brought him on a short term deal on a free with low wages as back up, it would be very sensible given Malacia's knee is fecked. Should give Amass a chance to develop over the next 18 months or so with a view of him taking over.
 
Just because we keep getting injuries in defence, doesnt mean we will keep hoarding players there. We are unable to sell Lindelof and Maguire. We already have 5CBs, you think we will buy 2 more and have 7CBs? Get real. I dont care what Melissa Reddy or Luckhurst says, its not happening.

Like I said Casemiro's legs are gone. And McT is no CM either, he's also better higher up.. We have Evans, Maguire, Lindelof, Licha, Yorro.

We can bring in a free signing at LB (who can also cover LCB) and De Ligt. That's 7 options at CB with one that would be a LB cover.

We also have Mount, Mainoo, Bruno, Casemiro, McTominay Collyer and at least one new CM.

We wouldn't be hoarding defenders any more than we are hoarding midfielders.

And your opinion of what our plan would be is less relevant to those who have actually reported the strategy, since they bring in very strong credibility. I never mentioned Luckhurst by the way.
 
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Haa, the narrative around him is now, he's on a free so he’s crap. He's not good enough for Atletico so why should he be for us. No context behind those statements. He played over 85% of their games last season, Atletico tried to low ball him salary wise so he chose to go into free agency. He's 29 and at a solid age for a CB and is solid LB cover too. Great at advancing with the ball and he's tough as nails. Would be a shrewd move.
 
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Haa, the narrative around him is now, he's on a free so he’s crap. He's not good enough for Atletico so why should he be for us. No context behind those statements. He played over 85% of their games last season, Atletico tried to low ball him salary wise so he chose to go into free agency. He's 29 and at a solid age for a CB and is solid LB cover too. Great at advancing with the ball and he's tough as nails. Would be a shrewd move.
Would this be with de ligt signing? Or cover as de ligt isn't happening?
 
We can bring in a free signing at LB (who can also cover LCB) and De Ligt. That's 7 options at CB with one that would be a LB cover.

We also have Mount, Mainoo, Bruno, Casemiro, McTominay Collyer and at least one new CM.
Difference being we have 3 midfield spots, while 2 spots for CBs.

7 CBs for 2 spots is crazy, even if one of them can cover for a FB. Just not happening, lots of reporters say a lot of things, doesnt mean its gonna happen.