I heard the commentator say it was 8 seconds.
Mario Gomez
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I was hearing Guardian Pod after the Holland match and apparently he had up till that point touched the ball for a grand total of 28 seconds in the whole tournament and scored 3 goals.
Can't forgive him for those CL final misses.
12 touches with the ball, 5 passes in whole game, 0 air duels won, and all that in a game where Bayern beat Barcelona 4-0.
I know some people like players who score lot of goals more rather than those who contribute to overall play and score less, but Gomez is an exception even for that type of strikers. For example, Hernandez had 23 touches and made 15 passes in the game where Barcelona totally outplayed us, and had almost 70% possession.
Fair play to Bayern with having almost 40% of possession against Barcelona with him in the team and beating them with that result, but I really don't see how anyone can appreciate this type of striker, and say he is one of the best in the world, even if he scores one goal in every game.
Btw, I know Mandzukic was suspended for this game so he had to play.
I know some people like players who score lot of goals more rather than those who contribute to overall play and score less, but Gomez is an exception even for that type of strikers. For example, Hernandez had 23 touches and made 15 passes in the game where Barcelona totally outplayed us, and had almost 70% possession.
Fair play to Bayern with having almost 40% of possession against Barcelona with him in the team and beating them with that result, but I really don't see how anyone can appreciate this type of striker, and say he is one of the best in the world, even if he scores one goal in every game.
Btw, I know Mandzukic was suspended for this game so he had to play.
Yeah it's not without reason that Mandzukic is their starting striker and Gomez has bee criticized for his little overall contribution to the game more often than not which is also a reason why Löw keeps playing Klose ahead of Gomez if both are fit.
He really is the Darren Bent of European football. Been a little out of favour with them this season but if you accept the lack of any other kind of contribution he's sure to get you goals.
It also says a lot that Germany were adopting Gotze in a false 9 role in the qualifiers. Maybe it wasn't against the best opposition but it was probably to test it out and see if they could use it in big games possibly due to lack of a quality out and out striker.
Bent isn't the best comparison. Not only does Bent contribute nothing but goals, he needs the entire team to be built around his strengths to get those goals.
Gomez is limited apart from his goals but at least he can get those goals without having to be the focal point of the attack.
I genuinely don't see a problem with Gomez not touching the ball. There's games where he touches the ball 6 times and scores 4 goals. He's an incredible player in his own unique way.
Was utter shite in the final last year (thank god).
Third time is the charm, eh?
The curse of the multiple open threads.
Wonder if he'll be off in the summer. If Pep wants to play Gotze up top then he's down to third choice.
I think its fair to say though that Bayern dont use the striker to link play at all, they usually work it wide then play 1-2's or overlaps into the box, where Gomez will then come alive.
You rarely see them pump the ball into the box or hit a long ball to the strikers feet.
It sure does sound bad but i didn't really think he was poor or out of place?.
You rarely see them pump the ball into the box or hit a long ball to the strikers feet.
It sure does sound bad but i didn't really think he was poor or out of place?.
That's because Gomez is not that kinda player.
They however have Mandzukic now, who is quite good with the ball at his feet, and has a good link up play as well.
Wonder where he'll end up next season?
Twitter says that he has a "good offer" from Chelsea.
He'sb far too good to play second fiddle to Mandzukic in Bayern's one up front system.
No he's not, he's usually player less on the field, and when you are playing such an important game, you choose Mandzukic-easily. He would be fourth choice in our attack probably.
If Lewandowski joins them, then I can definitely see him/Mandzukic leaving. Bayern usually play one up top, and I don't think Guardiola will change that.
Yes, he is. Mario Gomez would be fourth choice at United? You're taking the piss.
He should look for a move in the summer.
He'd be behind Van Persie and Rooney. Debatable about Hernandez tbh. Gomez is involved in as much build up play as Hernandez, maybe even less than him. In the Barca game i think Gomez only had 5 completed passes.
I think the reason Hernandez wasn't starting for united is that they need a player like Rooney/Van Persie up top who will get involved with the game as the midfield behind them isn't good enough to have a 'poacher' starting all the time. Bayern on the other hand have a complete midfield package so can afford to have a player like Gomez.
Hardly that outlandish a statement. I'd argue Berbatov is a better player than Gomez and he got completely frozen out. Rooney and RVP offer as many goals and a whole lot more, Hernandez would probably get a similar return if he got enough games and I think Welbeck would get quite a few games ahead of him purely because he has potential that is worth persevering with, regardless of his lack of goals at the moment. Welbeck also offers a hell of a lot more in other areas.
No, I am not.
He would be behind van Persie and Rooney in pecking order, and between him and Hernandez is all about the goals, and I would choose Hernandez over him because of his workrate, movemant, pressing and pace(might be biased, but I am not even fan of Hernandez), and Welbeck already proved that Fergie rates him higher than Hernandez, so there you go.
There is a reason why Heynckes brought him in 91st minute last night when Bayern pretty much secured the win. He didn't want to risk even in around 80th minute, because he knew tired Mandzukic would be better player to have on the pitch in extra time, even in Bayern where they have excellent midfield.
And with Lewandowski knocking on the door is another thing that shows you what people in Bayern/Guardiola think(s) about Gomez.
Still bangs in for fun though. A better version of Higuain.
You're underestimating Gomez by quite a bit, and I'm not sure when exactly Welbeck proved that Fergie rates him higher than Hernandez. As much as I love Hernandez, Mario Gomez is certainly the better player of the two; what he lacks in pace, Gomez more than makes up for in raw physicality and power. It's no surprise that Mourinho is reported to want him at Chelsea; Jose loves that type of powerful center forward. As for Danny Welbeck, great player and all that, but to compare him favourably as a striker to Mario Gomez is an absolute joke. Anyway, I wasn't at all suggesting that United try to buy him; just that he's far too good a player to be sat warming anyone's bench, even if that bench does belong to the champions of Europe. If Bayern have moved to a style that doesn't favour him (a move that will only get more pronounced under management of Guardiola) then Gomez needs to find a club who will make good use of his talents. If Mourinho does manage to sign him then Chelsea will become a truly formidable team for the first time since the decline of Didier Drogba.
Gomez is arguably the best striker at reading the game in the world. He makes chance after chance for himself by always making space and being in the right place. He can also pretty much guarentee goals for any team whilst only touching the ball a couple a times.
I think by starting Welbeck in pretty much every big/bigger game this year, he proved he rates him higher than Hernandez. Games against City and Real Madrid(our biggest games this season) say a lot how Fergie compares those two.
How is favouring Welbeck to Gomez joke? Only thing where is Gomez better is scoring goals, in every other aspect Welbeck is twice the player Gomez is. He is better dribler, has better technique, passing, creativity, pace... Well, pretty much everything except scoring goals.
I didn't say you said that we should move for him, but I simply don't agree with you that he deserves better. If he can't get playing time ahead of Mandzukic, I don't see how would he fit at United, Real Madrid, Barcelona, Dortmund, PSG etc. Yes, he should play more, but probably not in top team. Chelsea is pretty much only bigger team where he could play, but I am not sure he would get too much playing time there too.
As for the reports, don't believe everything you read.
If Gomez was here I think he would be behind Rooney and RVP in pecking order. All he may offer is goals but he offers a lot of them. He is mentally suspect imo and I expect him to be out this summer these days you have to contribute more to your team. A manager will rather play a player who scores half the goals but makes life easier for everybody else it ii a team game after all.
If, IF Gomez was here, Welbeck would have been shifted to the wings. Permanently.
The technically average, good at creating opportunities for himself, pure out and out goalscorer position in our squad is unfortunately taken.
Hernandez played much more as a striker than Welbeck did this season; the latter played almost exclusively left wing covering for the ever-injured Ashley Young. Welbeck's game-time proves nothing of how SAF rated the two individuals; he played more than Hernandez simply because the Mexican doesn't double-up as a winger.
And another thing; I didn't say that you said that I said we should move for him, so why are you saying that you didn't say that I said we should move for him as if I said that you said that I said we should move for him? I didn't say that so you needn't say things like that about what you didn't say I said.
With Lewandowski joining and Mandzukic doing really well, surely Gomez will be gone this summer. Gomez isn't the kind of striker Guardiola likes anyway.
I agree he is gone I wonder where he will end up though.
Yeah, I know Welbeck was shifted in more positions, that's why I noted "in big games. Whenever Rooney was dropped/injured, Welbeck was the one playing up front, and Henandez was left out most of the times.
In both games against Real Madrid he was the one playing as (second)striker, except that first half at Bernabeu where he played wide, away to Tottenham also he played as a striker, and home against Liverpool too. Hernandez was on the bench in every of those games, and didn't get single minute even as sub. In other big games Welbeck mainly played wide but still played, and Hernandez rarely played in those games too.
Oh, my mistake, I thought you were saying that I said that you said that we should move for him, but you probably mentioned that because I started comparing him with our strikers.
Gomez is on his way to Fiorentina apparently.
20m Euros. 4 year contract.
Looks like all the other kids are getting pressies today
20m Euros. 4 year contract.
Looks like all the other kids are getting pressies today
If the pressies being handed out are Mario Gomez shaped I'd rather be a Jewish kid.
Spurs should inquire if he is still available. Defoe and Ade aren't enough.