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x42bn6 said:
Benzema has been rubbish for France.

He seems to be copying Henry rather than Zidane for France.

If he wants to succeed on the big stage, he has to perform for France.
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True to some degree, maybe he can be scarfaces sidekick though
 
I think that its unfair to judge a player on what he does at international level. I mean take Andy Cole. He was a great player with us, but he failed to make any impact at international front. Other players that come in mind are John Barnes, Le Tissier and Lampard who all failed to emulate what they did at club level to international level. That doesn't mean that they were shit.
 
I thought Le Tissier was mainly down to lack of chances
 
kouroux said:
That's wrong.Benzema has never produced performances in which he's been the best french player.It's always either been Ribery or Toulalan (and Gourcuff more recently).
You're overrating his performances for France.
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Don't worry, he always talks out of his arse just for the craic.

Never really makes a point either, just goes round in circles.
 
Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
Le Tissier was all down to lack of chances. English national managers had no idea what to do with a player as talented as he was.
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Abit of a myth for me, this. Le Tissier was a very talented player but why he did not get as many chances as he might have done is down to several reasons. One of the most important being there were actually some very good players playing in his position late 80's and through the 90's. When Le Tissier first came on the seen Beardsley was the best English player in the support striker position and Barnes was at his peak and the best attacking player in English football(Barnes could play as a winger or in a free role). Gascoinge was also starting to fulfil his world class potential. Getting the best out of them made far more sense to an English national manager in the late 80's early 90's that giving caps to Le Tissier. Barnes and due to injuries Gascoinge(one cracking tournament is only a glimpse of what he could have been) never gave their best for England but these were the two creative players Bobby Robson was tasked with getting the best out of and Beardsley was Lineker's best partner.

Le Tissier was also quite an inconsistent player and there were seasons when he could be average. When Taylor was England manager if he had been firing after Euro 92 he might have got more chances as Barnes/Beardlsey were finished with Liverpool(Beardsley reinvented himself with Newcastle after but that was later) and Gascoinge was injured and Lineker had retired, so the attacking spots were really up for grabs for anyone. This was around the time Le Tissier's form was nothing special. Shearer took the main striker role and the likes of Ferdinand, Ian Wright, David Hirst and Teddy took the other squad places(Fowler, Cole and Collymore come along abit later) and England failed to qualify for World cup 94.

The time he had his best stake for a claim was under Venables and Hoddle was his club form was very good for most of late 93-98. These are managers who talked up Le Tissier and he did get some chances during this time. The problem he had was Sherringham was a massive favourite of Venables because he got the best out of Shearer and England had some excellent strikers in the Premiership who took the other squad places. Fowler deserved to be ahead of Le Tissier and so did one of Wright and Ferdinand so they went to Euro 96 where England faired pretty well.

The biggest chance he got was starting against Italy at Wembley under Hoddle after Euro 96 and England lost 1-0. He got some friendlies as well under Hoddle. Scholes and Owen had also burst on the international scene now so he was falling down the pecking order each year.
 
Brwned maybe you taped the Stuttgart matches on Setanta and fast forwarded through them when you watched?
 
devilish said:
I think that its unfair to judge a player on what he does at international level. I mean take Andy Cole. He was a great player with us, but he failed to make any impact at international front. Other players that come in mind are John Barnes, Le Tissier and Lampard who all failed to emulate what they did at club level to international level. That doesn't mean that they were shit.
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agreed. people who are saying he's shit and worse then Kuranyi are clueless. he's a very good player and only 23. he doeasn't suit our style, maybe a team like Chelsea would be better for him.
 
Ballache said:
agreed. people who are saying he's shit and worse then Kuranyi are clueless. he's a very good player and only 23. he doeasn't suit our style, maybe a team like Chelsea would be better for him.
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I beg to differ but what is our style exactly? I mean we won the CL and the EPL by having probably the most hard working forward line in Europe (Tevez and Rooney). We brought Berbatov (who is hardly renowned as a hardworking player) and we are still on top.

Systems change and SAF had always shown that he can easily adapt his formation to slot in players. Benzema is sheer class and he won't have any problems to adapt to our system.

Mind you Im not saying that we should bring in Benzema. His price tag is outrageously high and Tevez is a top player whom I really want to see us keep. Stating that if SAF wants Benzema then I hope that he gets him. The boy is special (SAF himself had said that) and if we don't bid for him it wont be because he won't adapt to our system but simply because we don't need him (Since we have Tevez) /we cant afford him.
 
Brwned said:
Don't worry, he always talks out of his arse just for the craic.

Never really makes a point either, just goes round in circles.
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You're either an idiot, a prick, or just a WUM.

But I don't care because I'm away out.
 
ALX8725 said:
oh wow, so you're from France? What? Does that make you an expert on the France national team? You should tell your story to someone who cares.
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kouroux didn't assert anything about him being French to imply he knew more about the French national team.

ALX8725 said:
please, PLEASE tell me about the French national team

I care so much about what you know about them.
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:rolleyes:
 
ALX8725 said:
oh wow, so you're from France? What? Does that make you an expert on the France national team? You should tell your story to someone who cares.
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You see that clearly shows you're a pure idiot.I have had the fortune/unfortune to watch France more than any other national team in my entire and I never described myself as an expert or anything else.It's all about sharing the different knowledge we have and if you can't accept that I'm really sorry for you.
Benzema as the best player for France.You'd be laughed at here brutally :lol:
 
kouroux said:
You see that clearly shows you're a pure idiot.I have had the fortune/unfortune to watch France more than any other national team in my entire and I never described myself as an expert or anything else.It's all about sharing the different knowledge we have and if you can't accept that I'm really sorry for you.
Benzema as the best player for France.You'd be laughed at here brutally :lol:
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:lol:

how does that clearly show that I'm an idiot? I already said what I said prior to you coming into this thread, and you were wrong. So I posted "no." I wasn't going to copy and paste what I had already said because you read it already. What more do you want?
 
ALX8725 said:
:lol:

how does that clearly show that I'm an idiot? I already said what I said prior to you coming into this thread, and you were wrong. So I posted "no." I wasn't going to copy and paste what I had already said because you read it already. What more do you want?
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It makes you an idiot because... Benzema has never been good for France.

And "no" is never a good rebuttal because it begs the question, "Why?"
 
Brwned said:
You're either an idiot, a prick, or just a WUM.

But I don't care because I'm away out.
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:lol::lol::lol::lol:

this coming from you, of all people?

do you have anything better to do than to create a thread about anything and everything? you're one of the worst posters on this board. Apparently you have an opinion about anything and everything. More than half of the time you couldn't be more wrong about whatever you're going on about. All you do is stubbornly maintain your stance on whatever the subject is, and people just get sick of arguing with your nonsense, so they stop. And you "win." Anyone who happens to disagrees with you, and you suddenly become extremely vocal/judgmental/opinionated because those ideas contrast your own. You carry on like you're some sort of expert on anything football and it's really sad, because it's really obvious. Did your parents not give you enough attention as a child? Because you seem to be seeking a lot of it on this board.
 
x42bn6 said:
It makes you an idiot because... Benzema has never been good for France.
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yes he has, he was good in the Euros. Just because he didn't set the tournament on fire with goals doesn't mean he didn't put in good performances.


x42bn6 said:
And "no" is never a good rebuttal because it begs the question, "Why?"
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I already provided the answers to "Why?" in the thread already, I was not going to repeat myself or go through the trouble of copying/pasting.
 
ALX8725 said:
yes he has, he was good in the Euros. Just because he didn't set the tournament on fire with goals doesn't mean he didn't put in good performances.


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So you're basically going from the best french player to "he was good in the Euros" but it's still not true and tbh the Euros was watched by everyone.
I'm not using the "i'm a frenchie " excuse to boast an eventual knowledge,everyone except saw that he wasn't good at all.
You're right when you say goals aren't the only factor to see how a striker played but Benzema was still very average.Just ask yourself why was he dropped after the first match if he was that good ?
 
kouroux said:
So you're basically going from the best french player to "he was good in the Euros" but it's still not true and tbh the Euros was watched by everyone.
I'm not using the "i'm a frenchie " excuse to boast an eventual knowledge,everyone except saw that he wasn't good at all.
You're right when you say goals aren't the only factor to see how a striker played but Benzema was still very average.Just ask yourself why was he dropped after the first match if he was that good ?
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if you'll go back and see what I posted, you'll see that I said that he was France's best player in their elimination game. He was very good throughout the tournament. I thought he was excellent.

And why was he dropped after the first match? I honestly don't think he should have been dropped. But I do know why he was dropped, sometimes it's not about playing your best players, but playing your best team.
 
ALX8725 said:
if you'll go back and see what I posted, you'll see that I said that he was France's best player in their elimination game. He was very good throughout the tournament. I thought he was excellent.

And why was he dropped after the first match? I honestly don't think he should have been dropped. But I do know why he was dropped, sometimes it's not about playing your best players, but playing your best team.
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If he was France's best player in the elimination game then he's a part of the best team so why drop him when he wasn't injured and when he was perfectly fit to play. Your logic makes no sense
 
kouroux said:
If he was France's best player in the elimination game then he's a part of the best team so why drop him when he wasn't injured and when he was perfectly fit to play. Your logic makes no sense
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he played well, the best of everyone out there. And they did play him in the elimination game, I know what you're trying to do. But if you just take a second and think before posting, you'll see that I'm proving my point.

Plays well, but not good enough for Domenech. --> Domenech in his infinite wisdom decides to drop him, France don't exactly dominate the tournament then either. ---> Domenech plays him in the elimination game where he puts in the best performance of any player in the France shirt.
 
ALX8725 said:
he played well, the best of everyone out there. And they did play him in the elimination game, I know what you're trying to do. But if you just take a second and think before posting, you'll see that I'm proving my point.

Plays well, but not good enough for Domenech. --> Domenech in his infinite wisdom decides to drop him, France don't exactly dominate the tournament then either. ---> Domenech plays him in the elimination game where he puts in the best performance of any player in the France shirt.
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Henry was better than Benzema in that match.

Benzema would not have stopped France from conceding 4 against Holland.

And kouroux is not being uncivil - stop throwing red herrings around.
 
x42bn6 said:
Henry was better than Benzema in that match.

Benzema would not have stopped France from conceding 4 against Holland.

And kouroux is not being uncivil - stop throwing red herrings around.
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At first, I wasn't being serious. But your guys' feelings got hurt. So I started to be civil, then you guys start using e-battle things like "youre clearly an idiot" and "your logic makes no sense."

What is it going to be gentlmen?

and no way was Henry better than Benzema in that match.
 
ALX8725 said:
he played well, the best of everyone out there. And they did play him in the elimination game, I know what you're trying to do. But if you just take a second and think before posting, you'll see that I'm proving my point.

Plays well, but not good enough for Domenech. --> Domenech in his infinite wisdom decides to drop him, France don't exactly dominate the tournament then either. ---> Domenech plays him in the elimination game where he puts in the best performance of any player in the France shirt.
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Stoop to any level you want.
If there is one thing Domenech has done well is when a player plays well he tends to keep his place for a long time.
Tell me the matches where you think he's been the best then because I do wonder why the football experts here (not even me) think he's not ready yet.
I do wonder why the general public think he's not ready or that he hasn't been exceptional in any elimination game before.
 
kouroux said:
Stoop to any level you want.
If there is one thing Domenech has done well is when a player plays well he tends to keep his place for a long time.
Tell me the matches where you think he's been the best then because I do wonder why the football experts here (not even me) think he's not ready yet.
I do wonder why the general public think he's not ready or that he hasn't been exceptional in any elimination game before.
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You can't be serious? I did, twice already in this thread.
 
ALX8725 said:
At first, I wasn't being serious. But your guys' feelings got hurt. So I started to be civil, then you guys start saying things like "youre clearly an idiot" and "your logic makes no sense."

What is it going to be gentlmen?

and no way was Henry better than Benzema in that match.
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Two wrongs do not make a right, I hope you realise.

Henry was better, playing probably his best game of the tournament.
 
this is muppetry. we're not going to get him. this club has never had a german play for us, and if we ever have one, it certainly will be one with a lot more ability and class.
 
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