Not really. It was reported that Pep wanted Neymar and the board decided to give him Götze instead (probably because the Neymar deal was too fishy and expensive while Götze was cheap and simple with his release clause).
Not really. It was reported that Pep wanted Neymar and the board decided to give him Götze instead (probably because the Neymar deal was too fishy and expensive while Götze was cheap and simple with his release clause).
That doesn't mean Pep didn't want Götze though. It just means he wanted Neymar and it wasn't possible for us to sign him. Pep could have just said he didn't want Götze and we wouldn't have bought him, I'm fairly sure about that. It happens all the time that clubs/managers don't get their first choice target, it doesn't mean they aren't fans of the 2nd choice.
I wouldn't mind if we get him for a reasonable price. Still young, have loads of potential and if he can keep injuries free, in a team where he's given responsibility in the 10 position, he'll likely flourish again. At the very least, wouldn't be worse than Rooney.
We have enough duds of our own.
There is nothing to suggest he will flourish again. He's playing for a cohesive NT and even there he has struggled. Being better than Rooney doesn't mean being good enough for United.
I'm sure we have no interest ,and rightly so.
We've seen how good he can be. If we can spunk €30m on Depay, surely we can do the same with him. It's a pittance in this market.
If it doesn't work out, we flog him. Ideally I'd want Griezmann, but getting Gotze to play behind Ibra/Rashford isn't the end of the world.
Not happening though.
Should never have moved to Bayern really.
He has gone backwatds
He has gone backwatds
But even the NT is using him as a striker because Özil is playing in his position. He's a #10 and totally wasted in the enemies box.
True, his main problem is his position. At Bayern he was often shifted to the wing because pep doenst play with a real cam and müller and lewandowski were set up in the front. But his typ of play doesnt fit to well on the wing. And i think bayerns formation wont change to much under ancelotti cause of you have great wingers in costa, coman, ribery and robben and two strikers with lewandowski and müller. So if Ancelotti doenst plan to sit one of the two there will be no real 10 again and götzes favorite position is gone. If he wanted to stay he would have to change to a winger or a more defensive cm then he is now. Both things i dont see happening. National Team same problem, he really doesnt perform well as striker or false 9. Most of his good scenes are happening when he is dropping back into the midfield.
So he should seek a team where he has the chance to play his favorite position and is not shifted. Dont see this happening in Tottenham, Dortmund might be a chance. In my oppionon a step back to a medicore team would help him a lot as he is still young but they wont be able to pay him. Guarented playing time at his position is what he needs to regain his strength
So he should seek a team where he has the chance to play his favorite position and is not shifted. Dont see this happening in Tottenham, Dortmund might be a chance. In my oppionon a step back to a medicore team would help him a lot as he is still young but they wont be able to pay him. Guarented playing time at his position is what he needs to regain his strength
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Mario has only himself to blame for his career
Would be nice to see him in the PL. I expect him to have an impact, Poch could bring out the best in him.
He also looks well out of shape.. Clearly his time at Bayern has been all Weißbier and würst..
So now Poch > Pep in developing young players?
In this specific case , yes. And at Spurs it is easier to a certain degree than at Bayern, where you have so many players to chose from.
But Pogba would have to prove himself in Spurs midfield...
That makes no sense at all.
So because we bought a flop of our own,we should spend similar amounts on someone's flop?
It's all about competition for places, so Goetze would have every motivation to try force his way in ahead of Eriksen, Alli or Lamela - and might well succeed in doing so, who knows.
Also, injuries and suspension occur (not to mention the need to rest players), so across three positions Goetze would in any case be likely have a fair number of starts.
And perhaps most importantly, Dembele is suspended for the first 4 games - and is quite injury prone in any case - so when he's not available we would ideally have Alli drop back into CM alongside Dier, which would leave a front attacking three (behind Kane) of Eriksen, Goetze and Lamela.
I really like us to sign Goetze. It could happen, but I still think it's fairly long shot at this point.
I think you know exacty what was the case: Mainly a political thing outside the pitch. Pep never wanted him, but the board told the stupid little Götze that it was like that. He never get that he was an instrument to weaken Dortmund and his "super-coach" Pepsi never wanted him. It turned out like it is now: There was no use für Götze and there is still no use for him. Thatswhy Buy€rn want to get rid of him as soon as possible. Hopefully he stays at Buy€rn and they get no money for him and have to pay him this ridicolous 12mio€ per anno.
My head hurts just trying to read that.
Lolwut
Pepsi
"Spunked 30 million on Depay". One season is enough for him to prove himself is it then?
Who has Pep developed since moving up from Barca B ?
Are Pepsi now sponsoring Buy€rn, or what did I just read?
I've defended Depay before, but given what they've done respectively in football, if such an outlay can be spent on Depay, Gotze more than justify it.
One's flop is another's bargain. What if Bayern had thought the same about Robben at Real in 09?
You gamble with every transfer. A 23 year old WC winner is as good as any.
Is this a trick question? I'll bite anyways, Alcantara brothers, Bartra, Sergio Roberto, Kimmich, Coman (couldn't make his name at PSG & Juventus), Hojbjerg, Wieser
People were laughing at Schweini for being a bit heavy but Götze is young and looks just overweight and out of pace with the game.. One came from the recovery room the other one from the pommesbude..
Or another's flop is one to be avoided. Chelsea learnt that with Falcao for example.
Bayern ,unlike Madrid are usually smart sellers,and aren't selling players just to fit another Galatico in.
Gotze is bang average. Said it since day one and he is not good enough for United even a LVG united.
I'm not sure he's all that overweight, he's always had that baby face that kind of distorts perception, players like Gundogan have looked very, very overweight compared but was still able to do the business. If I were him I think I'd try Liverpool, Klopp looks as if he'd put an arm around him and would potentially be less competition for a spot compared to if he went back to Dortmund, even Spurs to an extent.
Saying that.. Liverpools two most talented players Coutinho and Firminho like to play his role too.
Saying that.. Liverpools two most talented players Coutinho and Firminho like to play his role too.
Not sure about him, he might just be like Kagawa, better off back at Dortmund.
Apparently today's kicker also reports that he wants to leave now and that Dortmund and Spurs are interested. I think that aside from the fact that some Dortmund fans without a doubt still despise him (though Hummels and Mkhitaryan did their best to put that into perspective) BVB would be by far the better club for him. Tuchel plays technical possession football that doesn't necessarily rely on pace and a lot of attacks go through the center or half spaces, after HM left there might be a lack of creativity in midfield (depending on how quick the youngsters settle in) he's already familiar with the club and lots of the team and Dortmund in general are very patient with their players.
Not sure he'd make sense for Spurs. He likes to operate where Eriksen and Alli currently do.
I hope he signs for you. Would make things more interesting for the Bundesliga.
I don't think the title race will be very interesting next season either way. Dortmund lost a bunch of established players and bought kids as replacements.
I can obviously see that Goetze would feel more comfortable staying in his home country, in a league that he knows, but to go back to a club that's he's already left once strikes me as a bad move for the player, a literal step backwards.
Of course I'm biased because I'd like to see him at Spurs, but I think that a fresh challenge, in the more competitive Prem league - and a league with a far bigger global audience - would be the better move for him. He would still get to play in the CL next season at Spurs, but also have the chance to experience living in one of the world's most vibrant capital cities.
It's quite likely that Alli will spend a fair few games deployed deeper in midfield, as a CM alongside Dier. This is because Dembele is quite injury prone - and is in any case suspended for the first 4 league games. In the last 3 seasons he's averaged 27 league appearances - i.e. has not played on average in 11 league games per season.
So Goetze - as part of an Eriksen + Goetze + Lamela attacking three - would get a fair few starts on this basis alone. If we then factor in the chances of injury to either Eriksen or Alli (or both), plus the need to rest players, it's quite likely that he'd get plenty of starts.
And of course he might do well enough to permanently displace one of Spurs current first choice attacking three.