After what I saw last night, no thanks.
That should end that for the transfer muppets.
That should end that for the transfer muppets.
Marek Hamsik
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God, he was gash last night. I can't remember the last time I watched him and thought 'what a player'.
I didnt see the game however it seems he might be in a poorer run of form compared to last season.
However if the lad has all the tools then leave it to fergie to be able to mold him into quite a player. He has pace, an eye for goal, good passing (short atleast) and understands the game so I can't see why he wouldnt have a good chance at United. He does like to get forward so I'm not sure how he would play in a 4-4-2 that requires him to sit back.
Every player has his off day.
Right, so because he didn't shine in a one off game vs English opposition he ain't good enough?
6-7 months ago for me.
He's been having a lot of them. This may also be down to 2 things.
1: he suffered an injury around 6-7 months ago.
2: He has vastly impressed me during the last 2 -3 seasons being the main general in midfield whos can happily be creative, defensive, and a all around dynamo that happily drifts to the left and delivers great runs and crosses from there but acts almost Gerrard like in his previous years with regards to being so influential to he whole team. So what do you do with him, well 6-7 months ago the Napoli manager (Materazzi or whatevers he's called) decides to play him as right sided wing forward. Something that automatically reduced his overall influence on each game. Whilst everyones been arguing about wether he's good enough, the Italian press are believing this is his last season and Napoli themselves are sniffing around replacements. Wether it's us or some other team, he's moving.
Well Anderson has been having a lot of bad games - you still think he'll make it here right saying he has so much potential.
Johnny Evans has been pretty shit this whole year and you still support him saying he is going to take over from Ferdinand.
Trust me I want Hamsik. I unlike a lot on here who have written him off, have actually seen him play a fair few times and know what he can do. I was just trying to find a reason for his recent prolonged dip in form and the ony reason I can think of is Napoli moving him from central midfield to right wingforward.
We wont get Hamsik, since he had already ended up in the scope of the big European clubs. We have a bigger chance of signing Henderson or the Bebes of the world, players who are either out of the big Spanish clubs scope or else who feel that they need a stepping stone to reach Barca/Real.
It's a sad state of affairs but you're dead right.
I think there's better talent out there that wouldn't be as expensive, such as Defour.
Any time I have seen him, he has been pretty shit. I personally would not want the club to fork out millions for him. I think he is completely overrated.
In case you hadn't noticed both real and Barca can only field 11 me the same as every other club.
Most players would eb interested in a move to United and to the PL, both financially and professionally. If they do well they may want to move on, to Spain, Italy or wherever but thats no reason not to sign them. Sometimes players wanta new challenge.
How many times have you seen him play, and was any of it before 6 months ago? He has various suitors, Mourinho was singing his praises at Inter they were willing to buy him for €35m last year. Ancelotti and Mancini also believe the lad is special. I agree with them, but he has been a shadow of his former self these last 6 months.
In other related news, Nedved has said Hamsik is better than he was, and Napoli and the people around are making lots of noise with regards to selling him.
I like him alot and think he has the potential under SAF to be a big player for us.
Thing is even Napoli fans are admitting he's wasted on the right wing forward position. It makes no sense whatsover to me to play him there. To me it's the equivalent of taking Lampard in his prime and playing him on the wing. You lose the attacking drive they bring from centre midfield.
Benzema would have been an automatic first team player at United but he preferred to go to Real. Unfortunately $$$ rules in much of the time and a player would rather wait and see whether he can attract the real European heavyweights (financially speaking of course) then sign with us. Not to forget the value mentality instilled in the club in the past few years. Hamsik would probably cost us around 25-30m and would demand at least a 70k a week. That's probably enough to get 3 Bebes happy.
Real offered Lyon more money for him than we did, thats the reason he went there.
Benzema made it pretty obvious that he preferred Real then us. Same thing about Villa.
We never had a hope in hell with Villa. Spanish lad was always going to stay in Spain.
You can say the same about Benzema who made it clear that he prefer to go to Real then play at United and many other players. Spain is the prime choice for players these days.
Swings and roundabouts though. 4/5 years ago it was the Premier League that was the league of choice.
The Spanish league was always financially dominant over the other leagues. It lost its crown during the late 80s and early 90s to the Serie A but apart from that it was always considered as first choice for the big players. The 2000s saw more money being spent in England which allowed the English clubs to be able to attract certain big names. Unfortunately due to the recession + the income tax, things had gone back to the old way with only the Maktoums and occasionally the Chelskis capable of getting the big names they want.
Or the Rooney's, Ronaldo's or Van Nistelrooy's of this world.
At 18 Ronaldo/Rooney were not in Real's radar. They may have been interested in Ronaldo as a youth talent but as stated before a young player may see us a better alternative (ie stepping stone) to Real/Barca first team. Correct me if Im wrong but I doubt that Real/Barca has ever bid for Van Nistelrooy (apart from when the Dutch man did his very best to end up at Real).
Lets dissect that bit that shall we?
Firstly, there's clearly an attempt to put down the club there using the 'Bebe's and Hendersons of the world', ignoring the fact that as a club we consciously, keeping in line with our great history and tradition, are one that develop young talents in world class players. You'll find the odd big name player but it is rare. That's something we do not because we can't but because it's the nature of the club and strangely, something, going by your statement, disappoints you. Awww.
Secondly, who decides who is out of the Spanish clubs scope exactly? You seem to be in on all our transfers. Fact is, you know feck all about which players were within Real's 'scope' or not. We have a policy. We follow it. Who else was interesting in the players, god knows.
Also, we're far better than Real with young players. So which of our players have used us as stepping stones for Real/Barca? Right, lets have a list containing players from the last 5 years. Alright I'll give you 10 years. Go on.
I think that you're reading too much out of those few lines. What I am saying is that since Hamsik have fallen within Real/Barca radar then we stand little chance in signing him. Lets face it we don't have the financial pull to compete with Real-Barca in terms of salaries, something that had been said by Gill too. That leads us to use a different transfer strategy used by those big clubs. Now since Real tend to avoid getting young talent/unknown talent then we end up concentrating on that area. That's all.
Now don't you think that we have a bigger chance of signing the Henderson's and the Bebes of this world then signing the De Rossis, the Hamsiks, the Kakas and the Patos? Don't come out with the ifs and buts. Just answer the question with a simple yes/no.
Oh I've always felt that we don't have the finances to match those teams. No doubt about that. By those teams I only mean Real, Barca and City really. Chelsea have severely curbed their spending too. But those that's just three clubs. There are enough quality players around.
The point is that we've always gone for younger players than Real would. We've always made stars rather than bought them, with the odd exception. We're always more likely to sign a 12 million pound Ronaldo than a 40 million pound Sneijder. That's the kind of club we are.
Maybe true but you fail to realise that United's policy has been like this since Sir Matt so it's not as if it is new. Even during the pre-Glazer era we were the richest club in the world but we never blew the money the Real's, Barca's and Inter's of this world were spending. So it is not a direct consequence that we sign youth because we're skint but rather that it has always been the tradition of the club, long before the game became commercialised.
Policies are built around opportunities and limitations. The Perez administration want to make Real's brand the biggest in the world. This can be achieved by pooling in the best players in the world. Now since Real can rely on nearly unlimited funds + a income tax law which helps them out, then they are perfectly capable of using such strategy. I highly doubt that they would do the same if the club has restricted budget and salary limitations + an income tax of nearly 50%.
We have to work within our boundaries of opportunities/limitations and if Real truly wants Hamsik and they are ready to pay ridiculous sums of money for him then I doubt that we would be able to compete for him. That's all.
While no one puts in doubt our effort of raising youths, one must also consider that we where never the big guys (in terms of salaries/transfer fees of course) in Europe. So no one knows what we would have done if we were in that position. What we do know is that when we were in the pole position (ie Britian's richest club), we didn't hesitated to spend money and get the best players within our domain (ie EPL). The numerous British transfer record signings done during the 90s shows that.
Yes but then even then the 'British transfer records' that you speak about were nothing compared to what the Real's and Inter's of the world were spending. And United were not only the richest club in Brittian but internationally during most of the PLC era. And yet we only signed Juan Seba Veron as a full blown world class star. People forget that not too long ago we splashed £30million on a certain frustrating Bulgarian which was again a British record transfer, under the Glazer's, debt and all.
Yes but we did try to sign other world stars during that time only to lose out to Madrid, Barcelona, Milan etc. We only signed Veron as he was the only one who said yes. Kluivert, Batistuta, Ronaldo, Zidane, Figo and many more all turned us down.
That's debatable. Out of that list I'm only aware of Kluivert and Batistuta turning us down (confirmed by themselves and United). We got Ruud anyways which was not a bad purchase. Thing is, I don't know where you get Ronaldo, Zidane et al from. Another player I can think of is Ronaldinho.
Also the money bidded for Kluivert, Bati-goal and dinho was nothing spectacular. It wasn't breaking no records if I could put it that way. We could've but we simply didn't.
On top of that you heard what SAF said when he made his cow and field speech (Rooney-gate). He said we did attempt a signing, most likely Villa so the notion of us not having money and therefore not signing established stars is a bit of a moot point really.
On the contrary. If anything, he is living wrong.
We tried to sign Zidane from Juventus but were turned down as he was only interested in Madrid. We tried to sign Ronaldo but he was only going to Inter and then Madrid, Ferguson has admitted to them all throughout the years. We can't compete with the likes of Madrid even in our healthiest years, everyone has to get used to the fact that Manchester United is not as favourable a destination to world talent as it is to players from the UK. We can't compete financially or in terms of lifestyle, weather etc and the players prefer to play for Madrid. As for the Busby comparisons, he even tried to sign Pele. I've never claimed we don't have the money, just that the players don't want to play for us.
Batigol didn't even turn us down. Edwards just felt we couldn't afford him. Ronadinho didn't turn us down either. Kenyon just fecked up the deal. Men like Luis Enrique, Vieira and Rivaldo backed out at the last minute. We turned down Zizou and Henry. It's the likes of Figo, Desailly, Blanc, Nadal, Shearer etc who turned us down.
So in all honesty we've had a pretty mixed bag.
So in all honesty we've had a pretty mixed bag.
Cheers then we don't have a debate here mate. As I agree with the bolded part.Batigol did turn us down on one of the occasions we tried to sign him, the other was Edwards and the board not wanting to pay for him. Zizou turned us down for Madrid when he was at Juventus, we tuned down Zizou as a teenager when Cantona reccomended him to Ferguson. The likes of Zizou etc we never had a hope of getting but we were in for them and it was known. we had bids ready but we just couldn't compete with Madrid for pulling power and money.
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