Rashford's ceiling is Bale. Martial's ceiling is Robben. They've got plenty of time to get there.
Marcus Rashford vs Anthony Martial (2017 / 2018 Season)
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This is why it's so fecking hard for Jose to choose between them. Both putting in super performances when relied upon.
Please play them both!!!
Martial I believe is better but both deserve to play. Surely they can play together, too. They've both outperformed mata and mkhi by a distance. It's rather frustrating.
Think it more about the balance then anything. Having a passer on one side (Mata) with a dribbler the other side (Martial/Rashford)
Yeah I agree. Still, if you've got three good passers in central areas, it surely negates the need to devote one wing to a 'passer'. I like Mata, but he's not a winger. Pogba, Matic and Mkhi are all great passers, would playing a front 3 of martial, lukaku and rashford really throw out the balance if we play that midfield?
I wouldn't necessarily call Rashford a dribbler, although he does have it in his game.
I think a lot of people don't differentiate enough between what Rashford does when moving with the ball and what Martial does. The latter is great at finding a way through a crowd in the box. The former carries the ball 40 or 50 yards on the break.
Playing Rashford is equivalent to playing a long-passer like Scholes. He turns defence into attack even when he ends up losing the ball. It's a huge part of his game which gets played down for some reason, and seems to make people think he doesn't have good close control.
Rashford's ball carrying, and his contribution to our transitional play, is what gets him into the starting XI more often than not. It's a quality that's most telling when games are tight.
They're both fantastic. Let's play them both.
How about Rashford as a second striker? People are happy to see greizemann in that role. Wonder if Rashford could play that role.
How about Rashford as a second striker? People are happy to see greizemann in that role. Wonder if Rashford could play that role.
Amazing that we have this problem all of a sudden when left wing was a weak point last season and we spent all summer chasing a new one.
Martial coming on, he's got a full 20 minutes I'm expecting a couple of goals/assists
Martial coming on, he's got a full 20 minutes I'm expecting a couple of goals/assists
Rashford is a ball-carrier, Martial is a dribbler, Mata is a passer, Mkhitaryan is a creator, Lingard is a runner. I know that's a very simplistic way to look at things, but it boils down the chief things each brings.
Mourinho's favourite formula appears to be ball-carrier + passer + creator at the start of games. And dribbler + passer + runner at the end. I think the only way we'll see both Martial and Rashford on the pitch at the same time, is we get someone who's adept at combing both metronomic passing and creativity in a single package. It may be what the interest in Ozil is all about.
Mourinho's favourite formula appears to be ball-carrier + passer + creator at the start of games. And dribbler + passer + runner at the end. I think the only way we'll see both Martial and Rashford on the pitch at the same time, is we get someone who's adept at combing both metronomic passing and creativity in a single package. It may be what the interest in Ozil is all about.
They can't stop scoring or assisting. 
We really need to find a way to play both
Martial is atm playing better as a left winger imo. He's in the form of his life, but can't seem to get ahead of Rashford (who tbf to him had a decent game and racked up 2 assists). I really want to see both Martial (on the left) and Rashford (on the right) in the starting line up, but if I were to pick a left winger out of the two, Martial is quite a bit better due to his superior technical dribbling, that doesn't rely as much on pure pace.
I rate these two up there alongside Mbappe. Two of the very best talents. We are so lucky.
Martial, stylistically, is similar to Ribery. He has that kind of potential, also.
When Ribery dribbles in small spaces you still feel calm about retaining the ball.
When Ribery dribbles in small spaces you still feel calm about retaining the ball.
If Rashford keeps this up, he's looking like he's one of our best players in the team.
Indeed, Martial would be the ideal replacement to Ribery for Bayern. Martial has such good ball control, dribbling, good passing and vision, excellent decision making in tight areas, can use both feet, can score and can create for himself and others. Rashford could develop into a Bale type of player. Or he can still develop into an excellent striker, dont really know who to compare him to, Morata?
An assist a piece each. Keeping one as a sub is a seriously lethal weapon. Come on full of energy and keen to shine and devastate tired defences. Rather than start absorbing pressure at the end we just keep pushing for more. It's awesome
I haven't read this thread and don't really care about the arguments how one is better than other(if that's what this thread is about). I only care about the fact that they have 10 goals and 10 assists between them this season in first 10 games. Well done to both.
Rashford got 2 assists. Weird that people always seem to miss that.
Interesting comparison - I like it.
I cannot understand the basis for that comparison at all.
One is more direct, the other is more of a dribbler. What is there to understand?
I think Mourinho aternating them is perfect, why change a winning format. At the same time we're protecting them both from burn out at such a young age.
It's based on such a generic and vague concept it can't really mean anything. Martial is better than Rashford in every way apart from back tracking and possibly deliveries from free kicks. I can't understand objectively watching each match how anyone can see otherwise.
Well you need to understand that football is subjective and people see different qualities and values in players - Mourinho for one (who probably knows a thing or two about football) is currently playing Rashford more often than Martial.
Just to clarify what I believed the comment that seems to have got your goat was getting at: in the context of a discussion about the two players and what their ceiling potential might be @Dante was suggesting that they have the potential to reach the same kind of level and Bale and Robben, who are good examples to use because a) they have similar skillsets to Rashford and Martial respectively, and b) they are world class players without being at Messi/Ronaldo level - which seems a fair estimation of the kind of level that our two might end up at. Not sure what your problem is?
I think there is a lack of footballing subjectivity going on with Mourinhos choice here. He always makes sarcy comments about Martial being happy and needing to smile more, in fact he talks about that more than how he performs. Maybe he's right to do that if he doubts his committment, as SAF always did. But anyone can see Martial is far superior.
Love it when people talk in these absolute terms. Your last comment just isn't true - just reading this thread should show you that.
Or perhaps they know Martial is better but they prefer to watch a local lad succeed.
Yeah, that's most probably what it is...nothing to do with 10 goals and assists in 10 games this season.
Not that anyone would quote that without even bothering to look at what Martials goal/assists per minutes was. Unless they didn't want to know.
Best comment that described both so far.
@GM K good thread
Good to have them both. Quite similar players in their explosiveness and talent levels. Both with amazing potential
Good to have them both. Quite similar players in their explosiveness and talent levels. Both with amazing potential
Martial's stats don't matter, because unlike you I'm not arguing that one is better than the other - I'm just illustrating that there are plenty of good reasons for rating Rashford without it being purely because he is a local lad as you suggested.
I thought the argument here was the comparison between the two, not that Rashford isn't a fantastic prospect which he clearly is.
Thanks mate.
I agree. They both have amazing talents. No basis for talking one down for the other.
You wrote: "Martial is better than Rashford in every way apart from back tracking and possibly deliveries from free kicks. I can't understand objectively watching each match how anyone can see otherwise" and "anyone can see Martial is far superior". You then implied that the only reason that anyone could favour Rashford is because he is a local lad. I was just pointing out that Rashford has had an excellent start to the season, and whilst you may not agree it's not hard to see why others may have a different viewpoint. Personally I rate them both at a similar level, with Martial potentially with a slightly higher potential ceiling but the most talented players aren't always the most successful and Rashford seems to have a fantastic attitude and belief. Therefore it's a toss up between the two, but you're making out that that there is a huge gulf between them and in your own words you can't see how 'anyone can see otherwise'.
Imo its not an intriguing battle because its not a fair one because the manager clearly prefers one at the expense of the other. If Martial had performed like Rashford did against Everton he would have needed to pull up trees to earn his next appearance let alone start the next match. If merit was being applied in the strictest sense there wouldn't be any battle to speak of imo.
Absolutely agree. And it frustrates me that most people can't see it.
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