Marcus Rashford vs Anthony Martial (2017 / 2018 Season)

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Did not really see the supposedly positive impact, Zlatan were supposed to have on our youngsters, they seem to have their heads up and enjoying their football alot more.

Not really bothered about him coming back at all.
 
Would Zlatan coming back even affect Martial or Rashford that much? Unless Mourinho finally decides to just reward the both of them at the same time and play then together then Zlatan come back won't affect their game time that much.

One of them would always have to play on the left wing regardless of Zlatan coming back. Miki and Mata would be the ones most affected by his return because he'd most likely be played as a 10 or SS which means one of Miki or Mata would have to lose their spot.

If things stay as they are Martial and Rashford would only keep rotating on that LW while Zlatan occupies a more central role.

Then again there is always the possibility of Mou switching Miki on the LW while keeping Mata right and Zlatan behind Lukaku but with this line up we lose serious pace so doubtful Mou would go with it, he'd have to play one of Martial or Rashford somehow.
 
Hope Martial starts, I think he needs confidence a bit more than Rashford does. He needs to be rewarded for his recent showings, whereas I have a feeling Marcus always keeps his head up. Favourably Rashford starts on the right or we play 4222 with Lukaku and Rashford up front.
 
People still keep beating Martial with the same stick, his off the ball movement. But, he has definitely made improvement in that region and has also added another dimension with his ability to stay wide and make crosses instead of always cutting in and shooting.

Martial and Rashford are different types of players just like Bale and Hazard are, Robben and Ribery etc. Hazard is not as explosive nor moves as much as Bale. Is he a less effective player than him, though? Football is about being effective at what you do, adding consistency to your game.

According to many here, Rashford seems to be constantly adding abilities to his arsenal, while with Martial, it's about him always lacking something or other. People have suddenly become myopic when judging Martial's improvements. I don't know about the future, but currently what I see is Martial has much more consistency to his game. When he has the ball, you get the feeling that something will happen, whereas with Rashford, you are still not sure what you will get. For now, Martial is ahead and should deservingly be getting more chances in the team than Rashford. Instead of this constant bickering, we need to sit back and just enjoy the development of two of the most talented players we have seen at the club for a long time.
 
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I'm surprised people think Martial is the better finisher. They're about par with each other. Martial is (much) better at dribbling, Rashford is better at almost everything else. I wish Jose would start both of them.

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feck me @jojojo what has this thread got to do with my thread you just closed? We are also talking about Lingard and Fellaini over there. How is that a Martisl Vs Rashford thread. This one has stats, pictures of the two of them and everything ffs
 
I have to say that Anthony Martial is seriously stepping up his game. At the rate he's going now, he'll be unstoppable.
 
Anthony Martial is the best talent we've had since Ronaldo. Rashford is the best talent we've had since Lingard.
 
In possession, Rashford looks a year behind Martial. Which is understandable. He just doesn't really know when he's done enough, when to release the ball. Martial has figured that out it seems and is in devastating form.

The sky is the limit for the both of them but for me Martial has to start on current form.

I'd explore trying to fit Rashford on the right. Mata has become very ineffective there, and Rashford has shown the work ethic, so Jose shouldn't be afraid of the move.
 
Dante said:
I'm surprised people think Martial is the better finisher. They're about par with each other. Martial is (much) better at dribbling, Rashford is better at almost everything else. I wish Jose would start both of them.

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Those stats don't prove much. Doesn't take into account where the shots were from or if it was a 1v1, for example.
 
I have to say it's a great feeling knowing we have two of the best young talents in the league playing for us. In my opinion both have the potential to become top players, possibly world class. Martial has been much better than last season, he seems more focused and is playing with more purpose and his decision making is getting better. Rashford has been more consistent than last season and looks to be adding more end product to his game. It's great to see them both in top form, taking opportunities, scoring goals and making assists. It's hard not to be excited by the potential of this team
 
Dante said:
I'm surprised people think Martial is the better finisher. They're about par with each other. Martial is (much) better at dribbling, Rashford is better at almost everything else. I wish Jose would start both of them.
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Clearly Martial IS the better finisher. You can just looking at the shots they take. Finishing is mostly when you are in one-on-one situations with the keepers or a similar situation like that and Martial will finish and score more goals in those situations than Rashford will.
 
Dante said:
I'm surprised people think Martial is the better finisher. They're about par with each other. Martial is (much) better at dribbling, Rashford is better at almost everything else. I wish Jose would start both of them.

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Martial completes more pass %, makes more key passes per game and gets more assists. Rashford doesnt better him at any aspect. When Rashford does something, it counts double for some reason.
 
Shaun88 said:
I have to say it's a great feeling knowing we have two of the best young talents in the league playing for us. In my opinion both have the potential to become top players, possibly world class. Martial has been much better than last season, he seems more focused and is playing with more purpose and his decision making is getting better. Rashford has been more consistent than last season and looks to be adding more end product to his game. It's great to see them both in top form, taking opportunities, scoring goals and making assists. It's hard not to be excited by the potential of this team
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So you are saying you could see Martial and Rashford in a world 11 alongside Mbappe, Neymar and in place of the likes of Suarez and Robben. Based on what they have shown so far, I don't know how you see this.
 
Stacks said:
So you are saying you could see Martial and Rashford in a world 11 alongside Mbappe, Neymar and in place of the likes of Suarez and Robben. Based on what they have shown so far, I don't know how you see this.
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Different people have different definitions of world class. For some, it is classed as making it into a world XI, for others it is able to make it into a game with the 22 best players on the pitch. Even then, I think it is stretching it a bit but he does say they have the potential. In five years, Suarez and Robben probably won't be around.
 
Stacks said:
So you are saying you could see Martial and Rashford in a world 11 alongside Mbappe, Neymar and in place of the likes of Suarez and Robben. Based on what they have shown so far, I don't know how you see this.
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I'm not saying that right now either player would make it into a world 11, of course not. Both of them have to keep developing and improving but they are young enough and are already at a high level playing for one of the biggest clubs in the world. Not many players make it to world class level at such a young age. When Suarez was 19 he was playing for Groningen, when Robben was 21 he was playing for PSV. Neither reached their peak until mid 20's. Martial and Rashford may never become as good as the players you quoted but they have the opportunity. They have bags of talent, time on their side and play for a brilliant club with a history of developing talented young players.
 
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The ankle breaker merchant or the advertisement board merchant? I know which one I prefer.
 
Stacks said:
So you are saying you could see Martial and Rashford in a world 11 alongside Mbappe, Neymar and in place of the likes of Suarez and Robben. Based on what they have shown so far, I don't know how you see this.
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So finally stacks definition of world class is made official? Missed that news.
 
Shaun88 said:
I'm not saying that right now either player would make it into a world 11, of course not. Both of them have to keep developing and improving but they are young enough and are already at a high level playing for one of the biggest clubs in the world. Not many players make it to world class level at such a young age. When Suarez was 19 he was playing for Groningen, when Robben was 21 he was playing for PSV. Neither reached their peak until mid 20's. Martial and Rashford may never become as good as the players you quoted but they have the opportunity. They have bags of talent, time on their side and play for a brilliant club with a history of developing talented young players.
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I get you about players when 19-21 who went on to go onto become world class, I get you. based on base/raw talent, I only feel Martial is so far comparable as he has come class and aspects of his game that are already high level. Like Robben was a wizard dribbler who we wanted to replace Giggs. that was evident from when he was 20
 
roonster09 said:
So finally stacks definition of world class is made official? Missed that news.
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jungledrums said:
Was thinking this :lol:
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the actual definition was borrowed from a scouse colleague of mine. we were discussing players who were world class and he said "but he would look too out of place in a world 11." that means that there could be many candidates, so long as they wouldn't look out of place. it could also mean there could be few. Gary Neville was a great FB but I felt he would look out of place in a world 11, even if he was the best in at his time. right now I don't even think there are any world class RB's. being the best in your position is different from being world class, as there needs to be a minimum standard in a way.
 
This is not so ungreatful thread because everything what you say can be misread. If you are for one then you hate other or something like that .
I think that rashford is very good player who can be only better but martial is just already excellent player. Player who can destroy any team. In all areas he is above rashford. He has better dribble( the best in team), far better finishing and composure and the most important thing ; it is huge difference between them in making good or bad decisions.
Martial always pass or cross in right moment. He knows where his teammates are. Rashford is just awful in that. When he has a ball he looks only at ball and too many times he fails to pass and cross in right moment.
Rashford has better and stronger mentality. Like he is playing 10 years already. He is like a big oak and martial is a delicate flower. :)

Again, to be clear on this. I rate rashford a lot but martial is one level above him. Especially in that left winger position.
 
snk123 said:
Anthony Martial is the best talent we've had since Ronaldo. Rashford is the best talent we've had since Lingard.
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This is such a stupid thing to say.

And I believe that Martial is the bigger talent and better player.
 
I really want to see both of them starting together either side of Lukaku and I think Palace is as good a game as any to try it - if Martial is available of course. OK maybe Mourinho doesnt want to play both because he wants big hitters on the bench to bring on to change the game if needed, but Mata or Miki have the quality to come on and change a game or deliver a goal threat. Lingard has also come on late and changed games if you want another pacey option.
 
Stacks said:
I get you about players when 19-21 who went on to go onto become world class, I get you. based on base/raw talent, I only feel Martial is so far comparable as he has come class and aspects of his game that are already high level. Like Robben was a wizard dribbler who we wanted to replace Giggs. that was evident from when he was 20
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Personally I think your underestimating Rashford's ability. He's 19, playing regularly for a huge club that has no problem spending $75 million on strikers and under a manager that apparently doesn't like playing young players. He's lightning fast, can score and create goals and seemingly has a great attitude and is prepared to work hard for his team. Sure he has deficiencies in his game and he does miss a few chances. But surely it's reasonable to expect him to improve in the next few years and if he does he will be one hell of a player.
 
Shaun88 said:
Personally I think your underestimating Rashford's ability. He's 19, playing regularly for a huge club that has no problem spending $75 million on strikers and under a manager that apparently doesn't like playing young players. He's lightning fast, can score and create goals and seemingly has a great attitude and is prepared to work hard for his team. Sure he has deficiencies in his game and he does miss a few chances. But surely it's reasonable to expect him to improve in the next few years and if he does he will be one hell of a player.
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I don't think the fact he plays for Man Utd means as much as you think. Lingard played a lot last season, as does Darmian, Blind, Fellaini etc. In an ideal world, I am sure Jose would've signed a LW. when rashford starts he is often disappointed but is fine as an impact sub, just like most of last year. Some believe he shouldn't be anywhere near the wing position for us, to them its a source of weakness for United.
 
I'd love if Lukaku, Rashford and Martial got a few chances together. They seem to all be working well together. Could be a frightening front 3 if given a chance.
 
Dante said:
I'm surprised people think Martial is the better finisher. They're about par with each other. Martial is (much) better at dribbling, Rashford is better at almost everything else. I wish Jose would start both of them.

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and the winner for the most pointless use of stats is...
 
It's really hard to choose one of them who to start. Rashford offers a lot of off ball movement, he doesn't get tired easily, he's more aggressive than Martial who is more composed.
Martial offers more composure, he likes to dribble with closed control while Rashford prefer with his pace. Can't choose one so let's play them both on the left & right ;)
 
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Yeah. I'd be surprised if it wasn't Rashford against Liverpool though.
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Could be the first time we see both. We're going to spend most of the game in our half and need to move the ball quickly.
I agree though, the rotation argument would collapse if Rashford starts and Martial doesn't. Especially after Rashford would have only been training for a day and a half max.
 
For me, especially in games like today we should be playing both of them.
 
Adisa said:
Could be the first time we see both. We're going to spend most of the game in our half and need to move the ball quickly.
I agree though, the rotation argument would collapse if Rashford starts and Martial doesn't. Especially after Rashford would have only been training for a day and a half max.
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Rashford started vs Stoke after the international break last time. In a game where Jose will probably expect us to defend more than attack, I am very Rashford starts.
 
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