I’d like to know too. My memory thinks ike said something along the lines of he’s not a team player and needs to concentrate on football more
Marcus Rashford (Out) | Rashford: “For me, personally, I think I'm ready for a new challenge and the next steps.”
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Precisely, Ole apologised at the press conference with Rashford sat right next to him.
I would enjoy seeing this put to Ian Wright or any of the 'expert' pundits who still talk about Rashford's potential and ignore how dire he has been over the past 4 years.
Ole is the prime example of him being a problem which people give. love how you casually try and and downplay what mitten has been told to his face by the actual managers, and forever in his performance threads putting out fires. I will miss the entertainment when he is rightfully turfed out of the club
What has he been told to his face by the actual managers? I’m all ears. Please provide specifics.
I don't think even the biggest wrongun could claim Rashford was "dire" in 2022/23 in his 30 goal season!
Why was Mitten holding it in this until now when every manager since eons has told him that there are issues with Rashford?
More importantly why did the club give him that big contract if he was a problem under every manager he played under?
I don't know who to believe. These stories are pretty grim and seem like perception battles than anything else.
Anyway, it's clearly not working out between Rashford and United anymore. Hope this is over pretty early in the transfer window. It'd be annoying if this drags on and takes all the bandwidth during a crucial period in Amo's stint.
More importantly why did the club give him that big contract if he was a problem under every manager he played under?
I don't know who to believe. These stories are pretty grim and seem like perception battles than anything else.
Anyway, it's clearly not working out between Rashford and United anymore. Hope this is over pretty early in the transfer window. It'd be annoying if this drags on and takes all the bandwidth during a crucial period in Amo's stint.
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It was just about his charity work. Ole (quite fairly) said he’d like Rashford to focus on his football. He then emphasised how proud the club was of Rashford’s charity work when questioned about it a few days later. Somehow that is now him being forced to apologise by Rashford!
I've no idea, ask Mitten. You'll likely correct him
Fair enough, I seen another poster clarify it was re the charity work too
Agree with this. Fun though it is to speculate, we really need this to end swiftly. It does no one any good for this to drag on through January.
Why? The issue I have with his comments is that they completely lack specifics and therefore are deeply unhelpful. If he provides specifics of what he was told by the managers and they don’t correct him, of course I’ll accept them as accurate.
No, of course not. Though Rashford did fall off with his goalscoring after February that season.
To constantly talk about one golden season out of the last four though, is ridiculous. I'd understand a little if it was just last season, but it wasn't. Lingard had a much smaller purple patch in comparison and remained at the club for far too long. Rashford is in the same boat now.
Mittten has contacts and access into the club that other journalists could only dream of.
Go and write an article revealing all these 'off the record' pieces of information and you can pretty much say goodbye to having such close relationships with the manager and the club. Mitten is risking his position revealing this, yet, he may also have received assurances that making such comments about Rashford is encouraged right now.
If there was no truth to the claims, then I'm sure Rashford and his vocal PR team could release a counter piece to rubbish the comment by Mitten.
“Every previous manager has had issues with Marcus Rashford. I’ve spoken to them. They’ve told me in confidence going back years and years and years.”
You should be asking why Mitten had decided to leak this information now. Why didn't he do it during ETH's era? Why didn't he do it under Mou? Ole? Rangnick or ETH? Could it be the case that after years of protecting Rashy, the club had finally decided to give the thumbs up for this information to be leaked?
I am not suggesting that Rashford hasn't been a problem at the club. Of course he was. We know that he had issues with Ole, ETH and now Amorim. We also know that Southgate didn't like him too much either. However the fans need to realize the PR storm they are being engulfed in and how media work. Most of these 'tier 1' journalists are nothing but mouthpieces of clubs, the players or the agents.
Hence we have Mitten coming out saying that Rashy is a problem while the likes of Phil Brown and Henry Winter describing him as a martyr. Meanwhile Goldbridge is hitting Rashy hard while Howson putting Rashford in the XI against Newcastle. Its so difficult to deduce were their loyalty lie
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Curious why the club would greenlight mitten to say that now knowing info that he ‘causes trouble’ for managers could devalue him or not make as attractive to potential buyers. Put that on top of his on field attitude and form and he’s almost unsellable
Exactly.
Important to note in this discussion as a few have pointed that he didn't apologise at all.
He did backtrack from the initial statement he made about Rashford when he was coming back into the team following shoulder surgery:
The following press conference after it had been reported that Rashford's "camp" weren't happy with the comments::
Although, I'm not really sure why he felt the need to backtrack.
Have you watched the interview? It really wasn’t a planned comment. It was a small excerpt of a larger conversation. I think mitten has sat on the knowledge for a while because it looked like Rashford was staying. Now he’s as frustrated as anyone else it’s slipped out
Its impossible to say things when being on the outside but my educated guess is this. Currently INEOS is being pelted on all sides. Results are bad, our 'star player' has come out saying that he wants out, the club is sacking so many people, INEOS had let SAF go, ticket prices are up and INEOS had made an utter fool of themselves by first hiring and then sacking Ashworth in matter of months. Even people like myself who could see some sense in all of that had stumbled in terms of INEOS refusing to buckle up 40k for a noble cause. I mean, 40k is really small fry for a club like United. Its basically what Rashford get in little more then a day. Ah and I almost forgot. Sheikh Jassim's bot in the daily mail had reactivated himself as well which had made certain youtube channels go in overdrive and calling SJR as the Glazer enabler who ruined Christmas by pushing away those who were going to sort all our problems instantly.
In such circumstances INEOS would want to fight back. They would want to divert the attention elsewhere while assure fans that the Rashford thing is not about the club's cost cutting policy but more about him not acting professionally (in my opinion its both and its the right thing to do). The last thing they need is to make Rashford look like another casualty at par to SAF and the Association of Former Manchester United Players.
I watched a few minutes either side of that comment, I know it was only a small part of what he was on about but he must be savvy enough to know that comment will be the headline. It’s not like he said it by accident
He divides opinion more than any other player.
His performances over the course of many season have been a 5/10 overall. Yet he’s the highest earner.
His value to the club selling him is beyond useful.
He could be replaced with any number of PL starts from mid table club for a similar output. A better replacement would be easy to buy.
I genuinely don’t see any reasonable argument for keeping him that isn’t based on him being a local lad. He’s been paid a small fortune for his efforts and has more money than any of use could ever comprehend. We don’t owe him anything as a club or a fan base.
He wants to leave - let him. His time has come and we need to move on from his circus every season.
His performances over the course of many season have been a 5/10 overall. Yet he’s the highest earner.
His value to the club selling him is beyond useful.
He could be replaced with any number of PL starts from mid table club for a similar output. A better replacement would be easy to buy.
I genuinely don’t see any reasonable argument for keeping him that isn’t based on him being a local lad. He’s been paid a small fortune for his efforts and has more money than any of use could ever comprehend. We don’t owe him anything as a club or a fan base.
He wants to leave - let him. His time has come and we need to move on from his circus every season.
I just want Marcus gone as its in the best interests of both the club and the player that he's away from Old Trafford so that this media circus can come to an end and they can focus on the team.
I've lost count how many times over the past years that this sentiment has been echoed, with different players.
Until we start consistently winning one of the 2 big trophies, the circus will never end. It will move on to the next player. Getting rid of Rashford today will do nothing to end the circus if we get flogged 3 nil the next game.
If Rashford goes which is looking more likely, it will put us in a weaker position on the pitch and in the transfer market (although we already get our pants pulled down consistently on both fronts). I personally would have preferred to have his replacement already here and performing, putting us in a much stronger position both with Rashford and with any clubs we want to buy from.
At least when we had this constant circus with Beckham he was genuinely a top player. All this for Rashford is just utterly exhausting and dull.
Hope it's resolved one way or another early Jan so we don't have to hear he's been left out again every game.
The pressure on Amorim as we lose every game is already ramping up. Get smashed v Liverpool and end with Antony and Zirkzee on the pitch and Rashy off partying 50miles away not involved, and it'll ramp up ever more.
Hope it's resolved one way or another early Jan so we don't have to hear he's been left out again every game.
The pressure on Amorim as we lose every game is already ramping up. Get smashed v Liverpool and end with Antony and Zirkzee on the pitch and Rashy off partying 50miles away not involved, and it'll ramp up ever more.
It’s more infuriating knowing what he can do but choses not to due to his attitude he went from 30 goals that season to like 6 the season after, right? disgrace knowing what we know
Bewildering this news comes as a shock to anyone paying attention to the club over the past few years.
The fact some are still defending him after this is even more bewildering
It's Mitten. The lack of detail is out of respect for the club and his sources. He's not one to chase or generate scandal.
Ole said in public that he'd like Marcus to concentrate on his football. It was worded quite well and rather ambiguously. He alluded to charity work but it's not explicit as to what the distraction is. Perhaps Ole and Mitten were just being respectful to all involved.
"“I know that we will see the best of Marcus in the years to come,” the manager said. “He has done remarkable things at a young age but he is now coming into the best age for a footballer and he is more experienced. He has [had] time to reflect. You know what he has done off the pitch as well, because he has done some fantastic things, and now to prioritise, maybe prioritise his football and focus on football because he’s got a challenge on his hands here at Manchester United"
yeah and Rashford and his 'camp' were furious over it. Stuff like this is why I wasn't a fan of his for a long time, combined with how inconsistent he was. This kind of news should not come as a surprise to anyone. I feel like the previous regime made making Rashford happy a priority and that's why managers felt like they had to play him. It was probably at the point he had more power than the manager himself, as if he was prime Ronaldo/Messi. That's absurd.
It’s a massive stretch to suggest that was related to anything other than his charity work.
And, let’s be honest, if Mitten was being respectful to the club here, then he wouldn’t have mentioned it at all. What he’s actually done is alluded to something, which would cause any potential buyer to think twice, without given any specifics. Now, perhaps Devilish is right, and he’s actually doing the club’s bidding here, but that’s even crazier because it’s almost impossible to see how alluding to some major problems with Rashford helps us sell him.
To be clear, I think Rashford’s a far better player than is portrayed on here. I’d have liked to at least seen how he could work under Amorim for the rest of the season. However, that clearly isn’t going to happen and, at this stage, all that we should be focussing on is making his exit as beneficial to the club as possible. Random stray comments about him being a problem for all previous managers doesn’t assist with that at all.
Who is realistically going to take him on those wages?
It would have been a stretch at the time. But not with the data we now have.
Mitten is always respectful to the club but he is a journalist and he can't sit on a story if it's going to break.
Sorry about late reply. Not so many details, but the source is Andy Mitten and then it’s true. He is genuine.
Rashford being a problem for multiple managers is not good. Fergie would have let him go first opportunity.
Who is realistically going to take him when he just strolls around the pitch with absolutely no spirit or energy? Who says "yeah, that's the character I want in my team" and is in any way a successful club?
No story is going to break though because, in his own words, he was apparently given this information (which he’s chosen to half share) in confidence. We have no way of judging whether these are serious conduct issues or the type of minor disagreements you might get between any manager and player from time to time and, more importantly, neither does any potential buyer.
Anyway, we are where we are, which is probably seeing Rashford leave for very little. I see no way of rescuing that situation now.
Dropped by club and country, it'll be a tough sell
You are very definitive in that there is no story.
I’m going off his own words. Fair enough, if he publishes some details in the next few days, then he’s done a good job of drumming up publicity.
That's not his style. It being Mitten is a huge factor in this.
I think he falls into the bigger than the club territory which was a sign to SAF to sell
It feels best for all if he leaves, preferably early in the window. Will allow us to review the wage structure (Liverpool seem to function with one) and use the money for a new signing in a priority position - plus freeing up his wages will help considerably as he's one of the highest earners
He's recently looked like he doesn't enjoy football anymore, but then I'd have huge respect for him if he came out and said his charity work was what he was more passionate about now so he was retiring to focus on that.
Yes he had a couple of good seasons for us but he's another where smoke was blown up his arse and he started to believe in his own hype and the performances and effort dropped off plus he was rewarded with a massive contract. Bar the massive contract, these signs are there in Garnacho and need to be nipped in the bud
It feels best for all if he leaves, preferably early in the window. Will allow us to review the wage structure (Liverpool seem to function with one) and use the money for a new signing in a priority position - plus freeing up his wages will help considerably as he's one of the highest earners
He's recently looked like he doesn't enjoy football anymore, but then I'd have huge respect for him if he came out and said his charity work was what he was more passionate about now so he was retiring to focus on that.
Yes he had a couple of good seasons for us but he's another where smoke was blown up his arse and he started to believe in his own hype and the performances and effort dropped off plus he was rewarded with a massive contract. Bar the massive contract, these signs are there in Garnacho and need to be nipped in the bud