Marcus Rashford (Out) | Rashford: “For me, personally, I think I'm ready for a new challenge and the next steps.”

C'est Moi Cantona said:
He's dropped a player who rather than try and improve under the new manager, instead said he wants to leave, when it's highly likely there is no club that will take him.

I don't know what criticism Amorim deserves here.
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I find Amorim very straightforward and upfront about the Rashford matter, criticizing Rashford off field behaviour as well as his work ethic and professionalism. We've seen that before and we all know (and Amorim knows as well) that a lot of players don't react that well when people are questioning their professionalism. Amorim isn't wrong for calling him out, Ten Hag wasn't wrong before, but maybe managers need to be more diplomatic and calling out publicly isn't the smartest thing to do (unless Amorim wants him out). It will possibly disrupt the atmosphere and the British media are like bees to honey.
 
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Unam333 said:
I find Amorim very straightforward and upfront about the Rashford matter, criticizing Rashford off field behaviour as well as his work ethic and professionalism. We've seen that before and we all know (and Amorim knows as well) that a lot of players don't react that well when people are questioning their professionalism. Amorim isn't wrong for calling him out, Ten Hag wasn't wrong before, but maybe managers need to be more diplomatic and calling out publicly isn't the smartest thing to do (unless Amorim wants him out). It will possibly disrupt the atmosphere and the British media are like bees to honey.
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He's been dropped before by ETH for his professionalism, or lack of, and it appears has learnt nothing. Amorim is barely through he door and Rashford appears to have already got on his wrong side. Drop him, sell him and move on. Glad a manager has finally taken a hard stance with him.
 
Are these rumours of a transfer request confirmed or I'd it the usual twitter bollocks? Not posting them for obvious reasons
 
Rare for a transfer request to be put in. There is normally a sort of loyalty bonus built into contracts and this would wipe out a big chunk of money up for negotiation
 
It'll be interesting to see how he does without the shield of 'one of our own' support from fans.
He could do OK if he applies himself.
Somewhere like Napoli if he's ambitious.
Saudi pro league if he's not.
 
Wrecking ralf said:
Not posting them because they aren't reliable sources. That was my point, was their any actual truth in it or just twitter nonsense.
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I've seen lots of loans rumours (seems more likely to me) but nothing confirming he has formerly put in a request.
I reckon they will try to get him out on loan in Jan, that seems like quite a good option for whoever takes him as well as he is a limited but effective player for any team who plays counter/direct without the risk. Then it should also help us sell him vs him mooching around until summer.
 
I’m just hoping this means we’re going for a really good attacking wide player. It could change our attack, and make our attackers look a lot less shit (still not sure if it’s cause they are shit, or just poor service)
 
Gazautd18 said:

For the people asking why Andy Mitten has only just spoken out on the Rashford saga.
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I always assumed Mitten just was uber cautious as a journalist. I doubt his claim that multiple managers have directly told him that fact about Rashford, it just seems like such a stupid move by anyone in football to tell a journalist something like that for no real gain, but I do not doubt he's heard rumours about Rashford for years and no doubt has sources at the club.

It's so evident Rashford's goose is now cooked that he can drop a story that is a bit more headline grabbing because Rashford gave that Henry Winter interview which has sealed his fate, it's certainly not as claimed here to 'protect Manchester United'.
 
devilish said:
Rashford had been an issue for the past 3 past managers. Ole was one of the first to highlight issues regarding his training. Then ETH came in and there was issues with training as well + Belfast gate. Fast forward to present time and we've got issues under Amorim as well with Rashford running to Henry Winter were he said that he wanted up. Add that to months of Rashy simply jogging on the pitch and you can come to a conclusion that the guy simply doesn't want to be here.

United had been consistent as well. Ole was forced to apologize in public which is a first for a United manager while under ETH Rashford was fast tracked back to first team. Amorim gave Rashford 2 chances to retract first by claiming that Rashford's 'new challenge' was him and then by saying that he only cared about how players act in training. In both occasions Winter had come out insisting that Rashy wants out.

SAF protected the fans from the nasty parts of football in two ways. First of all he quickly removing the bad apples both at youth level (ex Djordic, Ravel and Gillespie) and at first team (ex Ince, Tevez and Heinze) before they were allowed to create drama. Secondly he constantly brought success to the club. A player who joined United for let's say 200k a week, with another 50k tied to performance bonuses (ex trophies won) + a 25% decrease if we don't make it to top 4, knew that he would walk out with 250k a week, year in year out. That wasn't necessarily the case with the likes of Inter, Liverpool or Chelsea. All of that went away once SAF was gone. We lost that father figure who could anticipate problems before they hatched and the club lost its route to success which in turn made bonuses difficult to hit and it made it normal for players to suffer salary cuts. Someone whose in football to make money (like 99% of players are) wouldn't like that.

I think that United fans need to grow up. Most players sees football as a job, they want to make the most £££ out of their career and have no particular love towards their employee. Its common for players to leave clubs, kick a fuss and even join rivals if they make financial sense. Roberto Baggio for example played for Fiorentina, Juventus (Fiorentina's most hated club), Milan (Juve biggest rival for trophies) and Inter (Milan's biggest rival). It would be equivalent to Cantona leaving Everton to join Liverpool then join United and finally ending with City. Hence why I only judge players on what they produce. If they are not worth their while then they should be kicked out irrespective whether they are local/foreign and the many excuses they might bring to the table to justify their failure. United is a football club not a mental clinic, a nursing home, a charity or a hospital. That's ain't personal, just business.
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Pin this.
 
Sandikan said:
With Bruno and Ugarte out, we can barely scrape an 11 together, let alone 7 on the bench. Looks like it's unavoidable.
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Well... They could have put anyone in. Amorim must be happy to have him back in the squad on merit
 
Look forward to a Rashy goal and pointing to his head.

Hopefully we aren't 3-0 down when it happens though.
 
feck sake

Ridiculous putting him back in the squad. A public fallout and essentially a public transfer request yet he’s back. Absolutely pointless
 
If Napoli want him to come play LW then we’ll take Kvara off their hands please.
 
Bwuk said:
If Napoli want him to come play LW then we’ll take Kvara off their hands please.
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We don't have a LW position anymore. We have a LWB position who needs to be a super defender and attacker, and be able to run up and down the pitch like a marathon runner.
 
Castia said:
feck sake

Ridiculous putting him back in the squad. A public fallout and essentially a public transfer request yet he’s back. Absolutely pointless
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Swear down you guys are forever miserable, what exactly do you want? Are you the type that's going to shift to the next player once Rashford leaves?

He's been quiet since the "interview", Amorim has said there's a place for him in the team if he applies himself, which he did immediately according to Amorim. He's on his way out, for real what more do you want? There's a section of the fanbase that cannot deal with differences of opinion and aren't happy unless everyone (fan and opps) feels the same way they do about him..... and it's weird.

Now someone will come in and snipe something about fanboys or the like while proving my point....
 
afrocentricity said:
Swear down you guys are forever miserable, what exactly do you want? Are you the type that's going to shift to the next player once Rashford leaves?

He's been quiet since the "interview", Amorim has said there's a place for him in the team if he applies himself, which he did immediately according to Amorim. He's on his way out, r real what more do you want? There's a section of the fanbase that cannot deal with differences of opinion and aren't happy unless everyone (fan and opps) feels the same way they do about him..... and it's weird.

Now someone will come in and snipe something about fanboys or the like while proving my point....
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Nuance is dead for a large proportion of Redcafe posters, unfortunately. You’re either a fanboy and a defender, or you never want to see the guy anywhere near the club ever again, even to the detriment of the team.
 
afrocentricity said:
Swear down you guys are forever miserable, what exactly do you want? Are you the type that's going to shift to the next player once Rashford leaves?

He's been quiet since the "interview", Amorim has said there's a place for him in the team if he applies himself, which he did immediately according to Amorim. He's on his way out, for real what more do you want? There's a section of the fanbase that cannot deal with differences of opinion and aren't happy unless everyone (fan and opps) feels the same way they do about him..... and it's weird.

Now someone will come in and snipe something about fanboys or the like while proving my point....
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It’s been pretty amicable on both sides or so it seems about him leaving….just seems pointless having him anywhere near the squad

The manager was asked again after the wolves defeat about Rashford and he replied something along the lines of ‘he’s still not in the squad that should tell you everything’ after being asked if he’s applying himself in training

It just looks like yet another mess and yeah I don’t want a player who’s publicly stated he wants to leave playing for the side
 
Shane88 said:
I won't miss that celebration anyway, whatever happens.

Just such a buzzkill celebration. Massive goal and you do this :+1::annoyed: (Redcafe's emojis are limited).
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yeah. should be getting his dick out in all the excitement imo.
 
tomaldinho1 said:
I always assumed Mitten just was uber cautious as a journalist. I doubt his claim that multiple managers have directly told him that fact about Rashford, it just seems like such a stupid move by anyone in football to tell a journalist something like that for no real gain, but I do not doubt he's heard rumours about Rashford for years and no doubt has sources at the club.

It's so evident Rashford's goose is now cooked that he can drop a story that is a bit more headline grabbing because Rashford gave that Henry Winter interview which has sealed his fate, it's certainly not as claimed here to 'protect Manchester United'.
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By all accounts he’s been close to Ole for about 20 years. They clearly communicate frequently and even did a tour of India together doing events. Ruud recently wrote the foreword to his book. I think the relationship he has with former players goes beyond what most journalists would have so it doesn’t seem too far fetched that he would chat to them off the record. I can’t see them being delighted that he’s let this info slip as it just puts scrutiny on them.
 
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