Marcus Rashford (out)

[Withnail]

He has 4 years left on his deal though so, if he’s the arrogant layabout that many on here seem to want to believe, he will just sit tight and pick up his money for doing nothing. Your approach relies entirely on him being a pretty decent guy who wants to play football.

I suppose your last sentence that's sort of the point I'm getting on it. Nothing he says matches up to the reality of the situation. Saying things like: This club means so much... I give my all every time I step on the pitch" etc
We can all see that's not true. I just don't see how his latest statement helps him at all if he really does want the play football which as you point out is in doubt at this stage.

 

[Withnail]

If he did all that to increase his chances to get a good move, that would mean he was looking to leave, so it's perfectly consistent with saying that you want a new challenge. He could of course lie and say that he wants to stay at the club, but how would that help him when he wants to leave?

You seem to be agreeing with the dichotomy between his words and actions and that impacts his future career, which was my point, so I'm really not sure what you're arguing against.

 

[Doracle]

He’d be massively hated if he did that, not just the grumbles that are happening at the moment.

He doesn’t need to be a decent guy, he just needs to not be stupid enough to do that

Why would he care? He’s a multi millionaire anyway. He doesn’t need the general public to like him and he can just retire to the US in 4 years if that’s his inclination. No one is sensibly going to think he should take a lower wage to move elsewhere anyway.

The reality is that the club should be working with him to try and maximise his value and get an outcome which suits both parties. Currently, all we seem to be doing is making him less attractive to other clubs and probably making him less willing to work with the club to find an acceptable solution.

 

[Bo_devil]

Has anyone considered that Rashford, having given the infamous interview the week before it was revealed, has sat down with Amorim and been honest with him, actually stating that he wants a move and feels that his future is away from the club.

As a result, Amorim has made the decision that it’s best for all parties to go their ways and ultimately, there is no point in Rashford being in the match day squad. If Amorim has him in the squad, there is an unnecessary pressure to put him on the pitch where he will probably stink the place out, especially in light of recent results.

All this vitriol towards him, and yes I’ve been guilty of it in the recent past, is unneeded and gets nobody anywhere. It’s starting to get vibes off Martial FC where both sides of the argument can’t see the wood for the trees

Definitely a possibility, as we now know, Amorim is a strong communicator and would have no problem sitting down, having a chat. Eth on the other hand might of let things fester. I think Amorim already said in one of his interviews, that he's spoke with the player. I doubt he'll be back in the squad.

 

[Zlatan 7]

Ok, so if Rashford or his team had simply leaked to the press that he wanted out, people would have been completely fine with it? You know that's not true.

The club is very clearly briefing the press.

Yes maybe they are, I’m not sure why because that is clearly going to decrease his sale value.

Also I personally think if Rashford leaked that I would take it with a pinch of salt and it could also be. Rushed away easier by Amorim, as it’s Rashford has made it perfectly clear he wants out. From the horses mouth. Mid season while we’ve just had a new manager.

I’ve always liked Rashford but I think it’s pretty shit what he did

 

[NotThatSoph]

You seem to be agreeing with the dichotomy between his words and actions and that impacts his future career, which was my point, so I'm really not sure what you're arguing against.

I don't think they impact anything at all, except making it clear that he wants to leave, which is probably advantageous for someone who wants to leave.

 

[Zlatan 7]

Why would he care? He’s a multi millionaire anyway. He doesn’t need the general public to like him and he can just retire to the US in 4 years if that’s his inclination. No one is sensibly going to think he should take a lower wage to move elsewhere anyway.

The reality is that the club should be working with him to try and maximise his value and get an outcome which suits both parties. Currently, all we seem to be doing is making him less attractive to other clubs and probably making him less willing to work with the club to find an acceptable solution.

I agree with your second paragraph.

As for your first I don’t agree. It doesn’t matter how much money he has, he can’t stay at United, not in the squad for four years but being paid so much and still live in Manchester, who in their right mind would want to be hated that much by the fans of the club he supposedly loves.

 

[Withnail]

I don't think they impact anything at all, except making it clear that he wants to leave, which is probably advantageous for someone who wants to leave.

Not really. If you're in top form, Real Madrid are in for you and are willing to pay top dollar and as a consequence you're trying to force the club's hand then yes it's an option.

In this situation no one seems to be interested, his statement makes him look like part of the problem if not the problem, and when he's not even getting on the pitch it makes him less attractive to potential buyers and will affect his potential wages. He could have made it known he's open to a move via his agent without blabbing it to Winter.

 

[Doracle]

Not really. If you're in top form, Real Madrid are in for you and are willing to pay top dollar and as a consequence you're trying to force the club's hand then yes it's an option.

In this situation no one seems to be interested, his statement makes him look like part of the problem if not the problem, and when he's not even getting on the pitch it makes him less attractive to potential buyers and will affect his potential wages. He could have made it known he's open to a move via his agent without blabbing it to Winter.

His statement is the only thing released in the last month that doesn’t make him look like a problem. As a buyer, what would you prefer (a) a player looking for a new challenge or (b) a player who is toxic, unable to work with any manager, with unspecified training issues?

 

[Wezzaldo]

For once I agree with Carragher. Why all the fuss, he’s not even that good?

If he wasn’t a local boy, nobody would care. The local boy thing frustrates me as that goes both ways. If he’s a local lad then he should give more effort than anyone else by that logic.

 

[Jam]

His statement is the only thing released in the last month that doesn’t make him look like a problem. As a buyer, what would you prefer (a) a player looking for a new challenge or (b) a player who is toxic, unable to work with any manager, with unspecified training issues?

….it is empty PR?

Who is eating it hook, line and sinker that Rashford simply “needs a new challenge” and that is what this whole thing is about.

Going to the press stating your intention to leave always makes you look like a problem.

 

[harms]

Has anyone considered that Rashford, having given the infamous interview the week before it was revealed, has sat down with Amorim and been honest with him, actually stating that he wants a move and feels that his future is away from the club.

As a result, Amorim has made the decision that it’s best for all parties to go their ways and ultimately, there is no point in Rashford being in the match day squad. If Amorim has him in the squad, there is an unnecessary pressure to put him on the pitch where he will probably stink the place out, especially in light of recent results.

All this vitriol towards him, and yes I’ve been guilty of it in the recent past, is unneeded and gets nobody anywhere. It’s starting to get vibes off Martial FC where both sides of the argument can’t see the wood for the trees

Why would anyone consider it? Literally every bit of information we have, from both camps, point to a completely different scenario.

 

[K Stand Knut]

Why would anyone consider it? Literally every bit of information we have, from both camps, point to a completely different scenario.

So, Amorim saying that he has sat down with Rashford points away from this POSSIBLE conversation having not taken place!

Makes more sense, I suppose

 

[Doracle]

For once I agree with Carragher. Why all the fuss, he’s not even that good?

If he wasn’t a local boy, nobody would care. The local boy thing frustrates me as that goes both ways. If he’s a local lad then he should give more effort than anyone else by that logic.

The point is that he is that good. This season, for example, he has 10GA playing for an awful United team, having been excluded for the last 5 games and having been played in all sorts of positions before then. He’s also apparently in woeful form and desperate to move.

In comparison, England’s boy wonder, Anthony Gordon, has 8 GA playing for a fabulously attacking Newcastle team, with full support from his manager, and with no off-field distractions.

Now, of course, it might be said that the circus around Rashford makes him unattractive or that there are mysterious training issues holding him back. However, it’s not hard to see how a top manager might see the possibility of harnessing his ability and giving their team some added impetus.

 

[Doracle]

Why would anyone consider it? Literally every bit of information we have, from both camps, point to a completely different scenario.

Rashford has been silent on his exclusion from the squad hasn’t he (other than his comments to say it was disappointing and that he’d do his best next time he was available)? The reality is that we don’t know the reasoning - Amorim’s comments don’t seem plausible to me so there must be something more.

 

[Withnail]

….it is empty PR?

Who is eating it hook, line and sinker that Rashford simply “needs a new challenge” and that is what this whole thing is about.

Going to the press stating your intention to leave always makes you look like a problem.

Yeah that was my take on it too.

 

[LARulz]

Rashford has been silent on his exclusion from the squad hasn’t he (other than his comments to say it was disappointing and that he’d do his best next time he was available)? The reality is that we don’t know the reasoning - Amorim’s comments don’t seem plausible to me so there must be something more.

It doesn't seem plausible to you that Rashford is lazy in training and not putting in the same effort as others? Have you watched him play in the last 18 months?

 

[TheReligion]

Yeah that was my take on it too.

I’m surprised anyone is defending what Rashford has said to the media. You can do what he’s done privately. Absolutely no need to go public and create something.

If what’s been reported is accurate Rashford has been told he’s surplus to requirements in the summer and isn’t happy about it.

 

[Zlatan 7]

I’m surprised anyone is defending what Rashford has said to the media. You can do what he’s done privately. Absolutely no need to go public and create something.

If what’s been reported is accurate Rashford has been told he’s surplus to requirements in the summer and isn’t happy about it.

Exactly. I find it amazing I’ve seen people defending it today too.

And I’ll say once again I’ve always liked and wanted Rashford here, but going to the press mid season is a shit thing to do

 

[TheReligion]

Exactly. I find it amazing I’ve seen people defending it today too.

And I’ll say once again I’ve always liked and wanted Rashford here, but going to the press mid season is a shit thing to do

Going to the media is always a shit thing to do. Fergie wouldn’t have tolerated it (see Stam).

There’s obviously a lot more to this but with Mitten coming out today with his information sadly none of it reflects well on Rashford.

 

[devilish]

Has anyone considered that Rashford, having given the infamous interview the week before it was revealed, has sat down with Amorim and been honest with him, actually stating that he wants a move and feels that his future is away from the club.

As a result, Amorim has made the decision that it’s best for all parties to go their ways and ultimately, there is no point in Rashford being in the match day squad. If Amorim has him in the squad, there is an unnecessary pressure to put him on the pitch where he will probably stink the place out, especially in light of recent results.

All this vitriol towards him, and yes I’ve been guilty of it in the recent past, is unneeded and gets nobody anywhere. It’s starting to get vibes off Martial FC where both sides of the argument can’t see the wood for the trees

Rashford had been an issue for the past 3 past managers. Ole was one of the first to highlight issues regarding his training. Then ETH came in and there was issues with training as well + Belfast gate. Fast forward to present time and we've got issues under Amorim as well with Rashford running to Henry Winter were he said that he wanted up. Add that to months of Rashy simply jogging on the pitch and you can come to a conclusion that the guy simply doesn't want to be here.

United had been consistent as well. Ole was forced to apologize in public which is a first for a United manager while under ETH Rashford was fast tracked back to first team. Amorim gave Rashford 2 chances to retract first by claiming that Rashford's 'new challenge' was him and then by saying that he only cared about how players act in training. In both occasions Winter had come out insisting that Rashy wants out.

SAF protected the fans from the nasty parts of football in two ways. First of all he quickly removing the bad apples both at youth level (ex Djordic, Ravel and Gillespie) and at first team (ex Ince, Tevez and Heinze) before they were allowed to create drama. Secondly he constantly brought success to the club. A player who joined United for let's say 200k a week, with another 50k tied to performance bonuses (ex trophies won) + a 25% decrease if we don't make it to top 4, knew that he would walk out with 250k a week, year in year out. That wasn't necessarily the case with the likes of Inter, Liverpool or Chelsea. All of that went away once SAF was gone. We lost that father figure who could anticipate problems before they hatched and the club lost its route to success which in turn made bonuses difficult to hit and it made it normal for players to suffer salary cuts. Someone whose in football to make money (like 99% of players are) wouldn't like that.

I think that United fans need to grow up. Most players sees football as a job, they want to make the most £££ out of their career and have no particular love towards their employee. Its common for players to leave clubs, kick a fuss and even join rivals if they make financial sense. Roberto Baggio for example played for Fiorentina, Juventus (Fiorentina's most hated club), Milan (Juve biggest rival for trophies) and Inter (Milan's biggest rival). It would be equivalent to Cantona leaving Everton to join Liverpool then join United and finally ending with City. Hence why I only judge players on what they produce. If they are not worth their while then they should be kicked out irrespective whether they are local/foreign and the many excuses they might bring to the table to justify their failure. United is a football club not a mental clinic, a nursing home, a charity or a hospital. That's ain't personal, just business.

 

[bgoodall]

Forget him he’s gone.

 

[Bo_devil]

For once I agree with Carragher. Why all the fuss, he’s not even that good?

If he wasn’t a local boy, nobody would care. The local boy thing frustrates me as that goes both ways. If he’s a local lad then he should give more effort than anyone else by that logic.

and I believe that's one part of what Amorim is referring to, when he talks about 'pushing your teammates on' or 'wanting it'

 

[RDCR07]

I'm not saying he isn't a problem. I'm saying he's our best option to actually get goals compared to our other attackers. Last time I checked the primary target of an attacker is to get goals and not just run around. Höjlund looks like he is actually running but most of the time it's him running around like a chicken. Our problem for a long time has been a disjointed press, it's not a good press because Höjlund and Bruno runs around and the other team does 2 easy passes and then they have passed around them with ease.

Can't compare that since from an economical point of view you need to add in Höjlunds transfer fee.. That money could have been used to getting an actual Striker and not a young player with "potential". In reality, would we have been so much worse with Ethan Weathly up front instead of Höjlund?



Not really but some of you people need to hear other opinions and takes on things. The current blame on Rashford is to much considering what Ineos is doing to the fans with ticket prices, the foundations for old players, the staff layoffs, ditchering with ETH and then getting Amorin mid season etc. That is where the critique should be aimed primarily.

Should Rashford improve? Ofcourse! But the club should have keept it internal because the current witchhunt is just tanking his value .. You think PSG feels ready to take him on if all they see is bad information

Yeah you’re just a fanboi troll.

 

[santeria13]

One thing I'm trying to understand is - as per Mitten's comments that Rashford was a problem for all of his managers evident from their alleged private comments, why didn't any of them attempt to do anything about it? Were they overruled by Woodward/Arnold who insisted the golden boy is untouchable? Were they terrified of the PR minefield they'd have to navigate with the English press?

Pretty sure Woodward and Arnold both prioritised the club's public image and PR over the actual football. Rashford was their poster boy so he probably had more power than any of the previous managers, unironically.

 

[TheNewEra]

We need world class forwards who do it every year versus every 4.

Selling him helps PSR I'm all for it.

Hopefully its a big reset like getting rid of Aubameyang or when Coutinho got sold at Liverpool.

We can build a squad, even when Villa sold Grealish they built a team. We don't need a hot and cold player on big wages.

 

[santeria13]

This season ETH did drop/sub him though, clearly had enough of the favouritism. To be fair he backed him when the player was under fire, then Rashy goes on the piss and lies to him as thanks

yeah ETH went head over heels in trying to accomodate Rashford despite him underperforming for months on end. Says a lot about Rashfords character that he would go and do stuff like that and make zero effort for the manager who put so much faith in him.

 

[Withnail]

Yeah you’re just a fanboi troll.

Pretty funny they brought up our issue being pressing, and citing Bruno and Hojlund, to defend Rashford who couldn't press properly if his life depended on it.

 

[gulli_G]

Marcus, please get off the forum and get looking for a new club with your agent.

Marcus Rashford has been given countless opportunities to impress as a striker and has failed for a long time. For a player who barely runs with intent, the striker role just makes him look even more lazy than he is.

 

[Doracle]

One thing I'm trying to understand is - as per Mitten's comments that Rashford was a problem for all of his managers evident from their alleged private comments, why didn't any of them attempt to do anything about it? Were they overruled by Woodward/Arnold who insisted the golden boy is untouchable? Were they terrified of the PR minefield they'd have to navigate with the English press?

It’s very doubtful that he was a problem under Ole. They appeared to have a really good relationship and Rashford was excellent under him. He obviously didn’t get on with Rangnick at all but there were no reports of a lack of professionalism.

The only real reported issues he had were under ETH - with the Ireland trip the key one. However, both he and ETH seemed to put those issues behind them fairly swiftly and there were never reports of him being a poor trainer (look at how ETH dealt with Sancho for example when he trained poorly).

My suspicion is that Mitten is generally referring to very minor incidents (hence the lack of detail) and frankly mainly just generating clicks.

 

[Irwin99]

It’s very doubtful that he was a problem under Ole. They appeared to have a really good relationship and Rashford was excellent under him. He obviously didn’t get on with Rangnick at all but there were no reports of a lack of professionalism.

The only real reported issues he had were under ETH - with the Ireland trip the key one. However, both he and ETH seemed to put those issues behind them fairly swiftly and there were never reports of him being a poor trainer (look at how ETH dealt with Sancho for example when he trained poorly).

My suspicion is that Mitten is generally referring to very minor incidents (hence the lack of detail) and frankly mainly just generating clicks.

Pretty sure Ralf said Rashford was moody and didn’t play with any sense of joy which was a criticism. It was also at this time that his relationship with the fans began to suffer.

 

[golden_blunder]

ETH dropped him
Southgate dropped him
Amorim has dropped him

Ole hinted at something and was told to apologize

Ralph said his head wasn’t in the game

I suppose they are all wrong

 

[Zlatan 7]

ETH dropped him
Southgate dropped him
Amorim has dropped him

Southgate dropping him was a strange one, he’s clearly more dangerous as a sub and more experienced than Gordon and Bowen.
Maybe he didn’t want his sulking around the camp (obviously no basis to this and just a thought but he hasn’t looked happy for years)

 

[Withnail]

It’s very doubtful that he was a problem under Ole. They appeared to have a really good relationship and Rashford was excellent under him. He obviously didn’t get on with Rangnick at all but there were no reports of a lack of professionalism.

The only real reported issues he had were under ETH - with the Ireland trip the key one. However, both he and ETH seemed to put those issues behind them fairly swiftly and there were never reports of him being a poor trainer (look at how ETH dealt with Sancho for example when he trained poorly).

My suspicion is that Mitten is generally referring to very minor incidents (hence the lack of detail) and frankly mainly just generating clicks.

Mitten is not known for trying to generate clicks. He actively avoids that type of stuff.

 

[gulli_G]

ETH dropped him
Southgate dropped him
Amorim has dropped him

Ole hinted at something and was told to apologize

Ralph said his head wasn’t in the game

I suppose they are all wrong

I think Ronaldo meant Rashford and maybe Greenwood were the sick fish. Need to get him out.

 

[Crashoutcassius]

Is anyone outraged?

Yes

 

[Herschel Krustofsky]

The other conclusion is that the club is clearly handling this badly. We seem to be doing all we can to tank his value and ensure that we either have no one wanting to buy him at all or that we have to sell him for peanuts.

Bit of a wild take this mate.

His value is dictated largely by his performance on the pitch. It’s already tanked.

How much do you think we get for him if he continues to play as he has recently versus we get for him if he doesn’t play?

I’m not digging out you, or Rashford here, I just don’t understand the logic of the club tanking his value.

 

[2cents]

Can someone remind me what happened with this Ole apology thing that’s been mentioned a few times? I’ve no recollection of it.

 

[Shane88]

Can someone remind me what happened with this Ole apology thing that’s been mentioned a few times? I’ve no recollection of it.

Solskjaer said he wanted/hoped Rashford would prioritise football over charity work. A week later and multiple leaked reports from Rashford's camp about being unhappy with the comments, Solskjaer backtracked.

 

[InspiRED]

Anyone else slightly dumbfounded at how long it has taken to get to this point? Great talent, a devastating player on his day and occasionally seemed to have finally found a consistently high form level but the issues with work rate, attitude and competitiveness have been there since about 1 or 2 years into his Utd career. Has been like living in a parallel universe where suddenly it doesn't matter if you don't give a flying feck about winning matches or meaningfully contribute to the team. The PR element has given it a whole 'nother dimension and just goes to show what can be done if you have enough greedy people/professional liars around you who can get their snouts in the trough. Woodward and Arnold have done so much damage to our club, absolute charlatans.

The experience has been pretty unsavoury but demonising Rashford isn't gonna do anyone any good, though it will be a blessed relief to move on. Hope the club finally learns its lesson. Also hope Rashford realises the people around him probably don't have his best interests at heart. For Marcus, can't see which top club is going to fork out for a 20% committed player and maybe he'd do better somewhere like MLS where his profile would count for a lot and he can jog about and score the occasional worldie and try to further build the 'brand'.