Marcus Rashford (Out) | Ornstein: United want to keep, will only consider substantial bids

NicolaSacco said:
The first few months of watching Martial at Utd I thought he could genuinely go on to become the next Thierry Henry, I thought he had everything. Shows how bad I am at assessing talent!
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He had all the raw material - I was hopeful too

Then again I was hoping Lukaku would be the new Drogba!
 
hobbers said:
Depends on the offer and how far into the window it is.

Martial is out the door regardless and hasnt counted as a footballer for years anyway. But yeah we wont actively look to sell Rashford while still trying to get rid of Sancho and then Antony.
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That’s true - I guess of those 3 (Rashford, Antony, Sancho) one has at least had *some* very productive spells at Utd. Antony is looking like bad value at £80m, Sancho is looking like an awful investment at almost any price. They’ll surely be Ratcliffe’s priorities to offload. I guess it’s a case of what happens if someone bids £90m for Rashford; it would be madness not to take it , but it would make for a fairly frenetic summer trying to get 2 or 3 forwards through the door.
 
RuudTom83 said:
Exactly, but some fans would sell Casemiro, Bruno, Maguire, Lindelof, McTom, Antony, Martial, Rashford, AWB, Eriksen (plus Sancho and Greenwood)

Then somehow expect to field a competitive team next season! Over to you Ashfield to buy a brand new starting eleven in summer.

Selling Rashford is not a priority at all!
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Sancho and Greenwood don't even count, they aren't a part of the team and we don't miss them. We don't miss Martial either tbh. With good sales and smart buys there's absolutely no reason the rest of those players can't be replaced and we end up with a much better team. Which is exactly why Ineos are hiring "best in class" employees to oversee football operations; to sell overpaid underachievers and bring in more suitable players to compete with better teams.
 
NicolaSacco said:
The first few months of watching Martial at Utd I thought he could genuinely go on to become the next Thierry Henry, I thought he had everything. Shows how bad I am at assessing talent!
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Martial had crazy talent. He hadn't got the mentality though and just couldn't stay fit.
 
Robbie Boy said:
Martial had crazy talent. He hadn't got the mentality though and just couldn't stay fit.
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Talent-wise I think he was/is comfortably ahead of Rashford. Even ahead of an on-form Rashford. But yeah something is missing there. Some unknown quality (whether it’s drive, determination, confidence - whatever it is) that he needed and just doesn’t have.
 
AndySmith1990 said:
Sancho and Greenwood don't even count, they aren't a part of the team and we don't miss them. We don't miss Martial either tbh. With good sales and smart buys there's absolutely no reason the rest of those players can't be replaced and we end up with a much better team. Which is exactly why Ineos are hiring "best in class" employees to oversee football operations; to sell overpaid underachievers and bring in more suitable players to compete with better teams.
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Good sales and smart buys for almost a whole new team in one window. It is going to be a very challenging task for the DOF.
 
AndySmith1990 said:
Sancho and Greenwood don't even count, they aren't a part of the team and we don't miss them. We don't miss Martial either tbh. With good sales and smart buys there's absolutely no reason the rest of those players can't be replaced and we end up with a much better team. Which is exactly why Ineos are hiring "best in class" employees to oversee football operations; to sell overpaid underachievers and bring in more suitable players to compete with better teams.
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10 first team players (plus 2 more even if we don’t include them) that’s a shit tonne of departures.

Doesn’t sound realistic to me.

But whatever happens it should be an interesting summer.
 
Personally think both sides would benefit from a separation. Rashford I think would be really good for a good side where he isn't expected to be the best player. United would benefit from being free of his wages and allowing new players to step up.

Feel the same about Bruno, he's earned the right to play for trophies elsewhere, he's a great player, but let's let others personalities and leaders emerge.
 
Plant0x84 said:
He never recovered from Ibra taking his No.9. A sad reason for a career to peter out.
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He had a decent season in 19/20. Then for no reason at all he lost all form in 20/21. Bizarre that a player can go from 17 goals and 7 assists in 2,600mins to 4 goals and 6 assists in 1,500mins. The torn knee ligament injury finished him off. Very sad, given his age.
 
Irwin99 said:
It's a decent point with Martial absolutely nailed on to leave on a free and the fact that we're also down to the bones in that position but a good offer for Rashford might be too difficult to ignore, especially with FFP issues. Having Hojlund and building the attack around him helps but ideally we'd need two strikers or one striker and one winger which is a lot to ask and probably very pricey.

On a related note, this club has just fecking sucked at its recruitment and structure for so long and survived by just winging it. Hopefully the new structure will sort it out over time.
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A Martial replacement is just a quad striker to come in as back up to Hoijlund, we ain't signing another 80m striker to replace Martial. On Rashford, if we can sell well we will have about 60m plus a huge chunk of wages off so he will pretty much buy his replacement. So it's possible we come out of that deal just 40m down.

The most difficult things to do in this window is finding takers for Antony and Sancho. High wages and reputations in the gutter I doubt even the Saudis look their way. This will hurt us because we are going to need another winger with World Class potential which could cost us anything between 60m and 100m.

Big work will need to be done in midfield, Casemiro is no longer quick enough to recover in this league, is on high wages but has a reputation that will earn him a Saudi move. He will need replacing, he can fund his own replacement through a transfer fee and saved wages. However, like Casemiro before, that new signing will need a back up. That will cost money to bring in because bargain basement Amrabat won't cut it.

Last summer we could have got away with a one in - one out for the RCB. Assuming Varane leaves and we also sell Maguire we will need two CBs, Martinez and Shaw are too injury prone and will need credible back ups - we could keep Malacia and look to sign an LCB who can also play LB.

We have too much to do and this is why we need the new team in place by June because by my estimation we need about 7 players for the first eleven and the squad. We are going to have to do some top class scouting in the Championship, French League, Portugal and South America to pick about 3 under the radar signings in the Zaha/Dan James price range to come in and fill a role.
 
Martinez4midfield said:
Personally think both sides would benefit from a separation. Rashford I think would be really good for a good side where he isn't expected to be the best player. United would benefit from being free of his wages and allowing new players to step up.

Feel the same about Bruno, he's earned the right to play for trophies elsewhere, he's a great player, but let's let others personalities and leaders emerge.
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Personally think he would fade into mediocrity once out of the MUFC spotlight. Look at DeGea, lingard. Just dont see the club selling him, love to be proved wrong
 
RuudTom83 said:
Exactly, but some fans would sell Casemiro, Bruno, Maguire, Lindelof, McTom, Antony, Martial, Rashford, AWB, Eriksen (plus Sancho and Greenwood)

Then somehow expect to field a competitive team next season! Over to you Ashfield to buy a brand new starting eleven in summer.

Selling Rashford is not a priority at all!
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Well to get rid of his wages, because if we buy 1-2 good attackers then he's very expensive for a benched player.
 
I'd have sold him five seasons ago when it became obvious to me he was all hype and nowhere near the level required to start week-in, week-out for Manchester United.

He's a mid/low-level wide forward as a starter, would be useful in a team in midtable who could sit back and counter but as useful as a chocolate fireguard in a team who face low blocks 30 times a season.
 
Plant0x84 said:
He never recovered from Ibra taking his No.9. A sad reason for a career to peter out.
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Did he not have a good season under Ole after that?

Martial just got one injury too many. It happens.
 
Plant0x84 said:
He never recovered from Ibra taking his No.9. A sad reason for a career to peter out.
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That definitely did upset him as it would any player. It didn't ruin him though as your alluding to.
He was still a good player for us up until 2020 whereas he lost the shirt number in 2016.
 
I'm all for squeezing a bit more out of PSG, but we better not feck this up. It's also 15.6 million pounds a year off the wage bill. Would be a huge boon to compliance with all the financial regulations. (plus what Croadyman said..)
 
Let’s compromise on 80m + 10% sell on fee + fee if they win the CL with him + fee if he wins the balloon door
 
Not sure.

We'll want to get rid of Antony, Greenwood, Pellistri, Martial and maybe Rashford.

Who's coming in to replace them?
 
If Mbappe is actually leaving this summer then Rashford or Milan's Leao would be the obvious two replacements.
 
Said it before but I doubt he's going anywhere: local lad, star player, excellent on his day and when on form. The next manager will want to work with him, he'll probably have a great season and then it will all crash again the season after that.
 
75m would be a stupid deal for us. Needs to touch 9 figgaz.
 
Sell at all costs, like Pogba, Lingard, Sancho, & Martial he is a bad influence and too lazy for a club as big as United. This is as good as it gets with him on the pitch and no other club would put up with it!!!
 
Depends on the replacement.

Fee should also be closer to 100m IMO.
 
golden_blunder said:
Let’s compromise on 80m + 10% sell on fee + fee if they win the CL with him + fee if he wins the balloon door
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This is exactly the kind of deal we should be looking at.

Get him off the books which is an immediate win, and add a load of contingencies.
 
People must be kidding. £75 million is absolutely fantastic money for someone of his ability. Snatch their bloody hands off!
 
FrankDrebin said:
If Mbappe is actually leaving this summer then Rashford or Milan's Leao would be the obvious two replacements.
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Barcola having a good season might make that choice less obvious. I can see PSG going for a pure striker like Osimhen instead.
 
You can probably swap Rashford out for Bowen for £75m
 
TrustInJanuzaj said:
People must be kidding. £75 million is absolutely fantastic money for someone of his ability. Snatch their bloody hands off!
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Not just his ability, attitude and salary!!! We'll actually be able to move on from the era of failure he's been a huge part of.
 
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