Whats your point? If Rashford refuses to pass unless its Kane next to him then thats not a united issue, thats a Rashford issue. I give him more credit then that though, and believe its an adjustment to new teammates rather than an overall player issue.
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Whats your point? If Rashford refuses to pass unless its Kane next to him then thats not a united issue, thats a Rashford issue. I give him more credit then that though, and believe its an adjustment to new teammates rather than an overall player issue.
I did not point the finger at Hojlund. Do we only have 2 attacking players in the team?
Why was Rashford the only outlet by the way, is he the only player allowed to make attacking runs when we have the ball? Some of the crap being spoken here is ridiculous.
Is it solely Rashford's responsibility to create chances for our CF?
Our CF by the way whose only chances came from Rashford?
If you want to clutch at straws and blame the lack of creativity in the side on the one attacking player who was creating opportunities, then you are welcome to do it
I will ask it again, is Rashford the only player who is allowed to get the ball to the CF?
What chances? The one where the ball went outside? The one where he hit the side netting? The one which he blastes into opposing defender? The one which he couldn't curl whatsoever and ended up 5 yards away from the far post?
Rashford was the only outlet because that's how we were setup! Do you expect everyone to break the system and run for the ball regardless of their role? Bruno wasn't even playing the right sided role for majority of the game.
And the rest of your post is full of crap. We are talking about instances where Rashford could have done far better than what his greediness allowed him to do, not arguing how much he should be doing. Ask the manager why he was the only outlet.
Because
A) this is the Rashford thread and
B) not every criticism is hating on the player.
If you are happy with what he is serving, fine. Others don't like him being able to be singled out in terms of participation in the press and for playing as if he is the only attacker in the team. It might not even be his fault, club and managers haven't doing him any favors. I wouldn't agree that he is to be singled out, but he is certainly one of the current issues. Mostly due to his stature at the club and the fact that he probably thinks he is way better than he is and that most managers try to build around him which most likely won't work out because he isn't a main character.
Pep would have made a real weapon out of Rashford. But he certainly wouldn't walk into the team. Way to bad in terms of pressing, workrate, positioning and probably even close control.
How about the chance in the 9th minute of the game where Rashford puts an excellent ball into the box (without dribbling or any delay) for Hojlund who gets in front of the defender but isn't able to keep his balance and get on the end of it to score? Interesting you don't mention that because it does not suit your agenda.
And yes the one where the ball goes out of play, was a good bit of play by Rashford, he was unlucky there, something he also did on the byline against Arsenal last week and also again created the only chance Hojlund had in that game too (interesting theme here)
No we're not, what I have been arguing against in this thread is the notion that Rashford (and Bruno) are the main reason why the team wastes chances and does not create enough.
Ive actually said many times in here that he should have done better with the chance at 1-0 where he should put the ball across to Hojlund, I've also said he should have done better on the break vs Arsenal when Hojlund was running through, there is no issue with criticising players.
However where I have taken issue, is the quite obvious witch hunt that has started in here, where Rashford along with Bruno are the 2 main issues with the United attack, when it is clear that they are not THE issue. Which is why the subject of other players in the team becomes important
How is that relevant? When he has the ball and chooses to not pass thats an issue. I dont blame Rashford for something Antony does either?
Its relevant to the argument about how Kane would fit into United vs Hojlund
Here is the post you responded to:
Also Rashford did not refuse to pass to Hojlund anyway, he probably got the ball to Hojlund more than anyone else.
He made a poor choice with the chance at 1-0 now all of a sudden he refusing to pass to Hojlund
Everything you've said there is fair and does hold some truth but how do we build the team around him? Or how have we built the team around him? People say the same for Bruno but how is the team built around any one player.
This. It's not even like last season was an anomaly. In 3 out of his last 4 seasons, Rashford has clocked over 20 goals and over 10 assists. And after coming off the back of a 30 goal season, you would've thought it would take longer than 5 games for posters to start saying we should sell him.
We haven't. They are just 2 players who take responsibility in the team to make things happen, and that do actually make things happen.
Other players actually see a lot of the ball, they are just not as good as Rashford and Bruno
Seems to be one of the biggest myths on here, see all the time how the teams built around either one and that's why we'll never win the league with them. Not the ageing midfield or the leaky defence it's because Eth has built the team to accommodate these two.
Rashfords faults are there for all to see he does need to work harder, he does need to start to pass when available and for me seeing out 90 mins every game is probably detrimental to him and the team but when I read "we'll never win the league with him playing" forgetting the other 10 players who in this team clearly aren't good enough either and it's pinned on just him or Bruno or "we'll score more and concede less without him" is just mental imo.
Well, build around is tricky term, so all I can give you is what I mean. When he is fit, he plays. He isn't overly criticized by the manager and if we say that his against the ball-work isn't lazy, the manager grants him certain freedom. He also received very lucrative contracts here. He also appears to show a certain level of selfishness and greedyness that (at least I think that) wouldn't exist when the manager would criticize him for it. Building around also means that the manager accepts some of the negative stuff that comes with every player to have the positive ones. You can accept Bruno giving the ball away all the time because he often does so and produces a chance. Similar to Rashford, you watch him run into blind alleys with the ball 4 times because the 5th time he might push the ball through on goal. I think, that is where the debate really comes from - some think we shouldn't accept those two players negative traits and some others think we should.
That isn't me judging or saying those things are necessarily a mistake but this is the status quo for me. He is our golden boy, he is clearly very talented, is gifted with a great physique and his work mentality seems to be quite good. He also appears to be a good guy off the field. He also over the years has delivered under several coaches and therefor earned his place and stature.
So he earned a degree of intouchable-ness, which potentially lead to him changing his playstyle not for the better. As I said, I think, the club and former managers really didn't do him any favors but the team is bigger than Rashford and for it to maximize its output, he either has to perform at Mbappe level, which would balance out his current negative traits or he needs to adjust. I share some peoples thoughts, maybe he just needs trust in his team mates to re-start creating for others. Lets hope so but as of now, I'd rather take the Rashford of 2020/21 who created loads for others than the 30 goals version of last year.
There where several instances where a pass to Reguilon or Højlund would lead to a better chance.
Yeah, and there were multiple instances where Rashford cut the ball back to Hojlund, as the other poster said I don’t think anybody tried to find the striker more than Rashford did. He will make the wrong decision on occasion, but it isn’t always the right decision to cut the ball back, modern wingers do tend to have shots at goal.
I don't disagree with much there and again like your post before a lot of them are valid points but non of that proves that the teams built around Rashford and this isn't to just you I've seen it loads here if anyone can say why the teams built to accommodate either one I'd love to know how.
No where near as as good as he thinks he is. One of the worst character traits to share a pitch with. You give me an option of playing with him or someone less talented but who is prepared to fight for the team, and I will always go with the latter. Nothing is as demotivating as knowing the guy next to you is going to kill 3, 4, 5 opportunities before making a sensible decision. I'm hopeful that EtH is just biding his time with him in his initial time here until he fixes other areas of the team, and will then proceed to put him in his rightful place like how he handled the other prima donna he found at the club.
By the way, for those claiming he's 'lazy', Rashford had the 8th most sprints in the entire league last season.
On Saturday he was one of our only players who provided intensity. This does not absolve him of responsibility to do defensive duties, but it's important context. I genuinely think it's as much that he's knackered than he thinks it's not his role to do the dirty work. And it's also a tactical issue as too much responsibility is given to him to provide goal threat from nothing. Because if he doesn't do it, nothing happens from anywhere else.
On Saturday he was one of our only players who provided intensity. This does not absolve him of responsibility to do defensive duties, but it's important context. I genuinely think it's as much that he's knackered than he thinks it's not his role to do the dirty work. And it's also a tactical issue as too much responsibility is given to him to provide goal threat from nothing. Because if he doesn't do it, nothing happens from anywhere else.
See your point but remember that there also isn't much "actual prove" that the team isn't built around him. You know what I mean? We are of course working with assumptions and even though I obviously do not know definitively, I am pretty sure that many would confirm my statement. Bruno and Rashford might not be the bus drivers but they are also not just passengers the bus wouldn't care to run without. They are important players and they are for a reason so a certain level of accomodation is definitely justified but when such clips like the Rashford one can be made, there will be conflicts about the right degree of accomodation.
Sprints are his main attacking threat. Come on Mate, don't act as if you wouldn't understand that he is called lazy (for right or wrong) because of his against-the-ball-work and nothing else!
Edit: watch a high stakes match of Man City, I was flustered about the level of intensity players like Bernado, Foden and Grealish are showing. There is no justification for being outfought.
He just signed a new contract. He's going nowhere anytime soon.
so you choose Wout Wenghorst over Rashford then?
But not once did he use Reguilon despite the latter doing great overlap runs. Højlund needs to work on his first touch, Rashford clearly needs to work on decision making. Its really that simple.
Agreed. Sprints are his, and our, main attacking threat. You do know how draining constantly sprinting is? But at least half our team trotted round giving zero intensity, threat or defensive cover, but I'm not seeing the same levels of hate for them.
I get that people want him to provide constant sprinting behind, and also high intensity pressing. Me too. But nobody on our team has that level of fitness. At least he's doing sprinting!
Anyone remembers that Mourinho used to speak highly of Rashford's energy, pressing and how defensively responsible he was?
I do agree that Rashford as of now is a detriment in many things but it wasnt always that way. He picked up those habits over time.
Years of Ole's amateur coaching probably left its toll.
I do agree that Rashford as of now is a detriment in many things but it wasnt always that way. He picked up those habits over time.
Years of Ole's amateur coaching probably left its toll.
Everyone loved Weghorst for his effort at first, scurrying around like a tireless lovable puppy... until it finally dawned on them he's utterly useless and we're trying to compete at the elite levels. Meanwhile lazy old Rashford is knocking in 30 goals. Boooo.
By the way, Rashford's obvious replacement/alternative is Garnacho, and he's even worse at defending that wing!
EtH benched Ronaldo, the egomaniac prat is the one who decided to throw his toys out of the pram and force an exit.
I said less talented, not Weghorst level bad
. Mind you I still appreciated Wout's effort and got endeared to him as person despite his immense shortcomings as a player.Cliff has explained what we expect, it's easier to defend from the front, not pressing a player 6 yards away is criminal and you will expend far less energy than having to chase the same player 20 yards because you refused to press when he was 6 yards away.
This happened 4 times within the time Højlund had pressed the keeper and Brighton passed their way to score down Rashfords side, he jogged too 3 different players as they played around him because he refused to press them and then they went onto score. (The clip I tagged you in earlier in the thread).
Do not give me this crap of energy expenditure of tracking back when the whole point in being a transition team is to press from the front and force an error to win the ball back further up the pitch.
Rashford refused to engage and it cost the team, it's inexcusable and he does it often, which then means he has to track back further than if he had of pressed the players within a close radius before they have time to look up and pick a longer pass.
I’ve watched the “all touches” highlights from Rashford and there’s maybe one occasion where he could have passed to Reguilon and didn’t. The rest of the time his decision making was spot on (other than shooting for the near post rather than the far when he had that left foot chance).
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Maybe you can mention someone else to add to the list of two that am unaware of?
It is not agenda to point out the obvious and the team structured to their strengths is not a new concept in football. Every football team follows the same simple principle.
It’s just a matter of fit for purpose and that’s a whole other conversation. For the transition football ETH wants to play can see no better alternatives in the current squad.
I hold the same believe because I can’t find a single other player not call Bruno or Rashford that is assigned similar responsibilities in our team or afforded the same attacking freedoms or game angled towards them.
Maybe you can mention someone else to add to the list of two that am unaware of?
It is not agenda to point out the obvious and the team structured to their strengths is not a new concept in football. Every football team follows the same simple principle.
It’s just a matter of fit for purpose and that’s a whole other conversation. For the transition football ETH wants to play can see no better alternatives in the current squad.
Didn’t he almost get in behind after a 1-2 with Regulion? Not fair to say he didn’t use him once. Rashford doesn’t always make the right decisions, and does need to vary his game, but I don’t think he’s one of United’s issues as much as he’s being made out.
Get out of here with your facts. There's that one clip of Rashford not pressing properly so he's the main problem.
Not being funny but I genuinely have no idea how to respond to that post what do you want me do?
Hard disagree, the only time Rashford attempted to cut it back was purely because he was out of room to make something for himself.
needs to cut the selfishness or get out of the first 11.
Hard disagree, as evidenced by the cross he put in for Hojlund. Don't disagree with the rest though.
Passing only once he's exhausted all other options.
I’m interested to know what you think he was intending to do once he got to the byline, only to have those options taken away from him. You don’t think perhaps he was always planning on cutting it back by any chance?
Isn’t it good to have a winger who is happy to cut onto his weaker foot and put some dangerous crosses in?
No worries
He's our best player, we can't afford to drop him as we have no better options, and I believe him and Casemiro were the only reasons we finished top 4 last year.
One the same side I'm starting to get tired of his laziness and inconsistencies. He can't play two seasons in a row with the same form.
Honestly, starting to think the fact him and Bruno are our best players is one of the reasons we suck as a team. Both are inconsistent and has a rock bottom level when they're on off day.
One the same side I'm starting to get tired of his laziness and inconsistencies. He can't play two seasons in a row with the same form.
Honestly, starting to think the fact him and Bruno are our best players is one of the reasons we suck as a team. Both are inconsistent and has a rock bottom level when they're on off day.
Indeed. We've got a winger in Rashford who can cut in and shoot effectively and also go on the outside and cut it back. Hojlund has already had two big chances from the latter in 90 minutes, plus another great cross from Rashford with his left foot that he should have got on the end of.
But apparently Rashford is selfish and never looks up.
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