[FerociousCorgis]

Was that with the whole lead up of Eriksen doing a 360 on the ball, Bruno outside the foot pass, and then the cross? That was really good.



Posted for ya so it shows. I honestly would have understood it slightly if rashford was on his right foot. But left foot and taking that shot was bananas. Hoijlund even slid expecting it

I mean shit he also had the option of simply laying it back for an easy chance for the guy trailing the play. Taking the shot himself is literally the worst possible choice

 

[Sylar]

I mean shit he also had the option of simply laying it back for an easy chance for the guy trailing the play. Taking the shot himself is literally the worst possible choice

Looks like reguilon? Ill give him an off for not doing that one but for hoijlund iirc I think he had a few chances to square it

 

[Mr Smith]

If you crash 7 cars on the way to the shop, if you finally get to the shop in the 8th car it doesn't mean you're a really good driver.

That's pretty much where Rashford is at the minute when it comes to assessing his value as an attacking threat.

That's a bad analogy because the consequences of crashing a car is not the equivalent of an attack breaking down. Rashford's attacking threat still carries value even if it doesn't always lead to a goal; he draws defenders towards him and leaves space for others. He just needs to get his head up and play a pass more frequently.

 

[flameinthesun]

Does he enjoy football? We all know he's talented but the lack of tenacity and energy is worrying. A young Rooney would be running all day long.

Could be. I think its one of two things, either he believes he's an Mbappe level talent and therefore like an Mbappe should be allowed to not work as hard as the rest of the team out of possesion, or (and what I think it is) he is just not a fighter. To me everything points to that, he constantly shirks battles, headers, physical challenges, he's never been a vocal leader on the pitch and is nearly always the first person to drop his head. In effect I just think he's a gifted player with a weak mentality relative to the level we want to get to and when the game isn't going his way he just retreats into his shell rather than battle to gain control of a game.

The annoying thing for me is we've never had any player apart from a season 1 Mourinho Anthony Martial to give him competition. So effectively he can do what he wants because there is not really anyone good enough at the moment to bench him.

And good luck trying to implement any form of high press and intricate play style with him in the team. At least more and more fans are starting to wake up to the idea that the guy could very well be the player who helps us get top 4 but holds us back from winning a league.

 

[stw2022]

That's a bad analogy because the consequences of crashing a car is not the equivalent of an attack breaking down. Rashford's attacking threat still carries value even if it doesn't always lead to a goal; he draws defenders towards him and leaves space for others. He just needs to get his head up and play a pass more frequently.

He had 9 shots, more than double of any other player on the pitch. Hojlund had 1. Either Rashford is 9 times the player and kudos on him on creating all those chances for himself, or there's some serious questions to ask.

 

[DownRiver]

Another low IQ player in our team. He has the skill and ability, but not the brains. Hojland won't get many goals because of this dufus.

 

[Cassidy]

He had 9 shots, more than double of any other player on the pitch. Hojlund had 1. Either Rashford is 9 times the player and kudos on him on creating all those chances for himself, or there's some serious questions to ask.

What happened when Hojlund was played the ball in the box on the right hand side? What happened when he was played the ball outside the box centre of the goal Poor touch led him to loose the ball, he would have had more shots at goals if his touch was better today. Saying that it is also the case that this team can hardly find an attacking player in space if its not Rashford down the left.

The team as a whole has to change its ways and stop relying on Rashford to be its saviour

 

[stw2022]

Nobody relies on Rashford to be the saviour except Rashford himself. Rashford isn't getting 70% of the chances because the rest of the team lack faith in Holjund's ability so are trying to compensate for that and feed everything through Rashford. He's getting the lions share of the chances because he gets the ball and the odds of anything else happening than him running out of space, running into a defender or skying it into the crowd, is very, very slim.

He isn't selflessly taking on all those chances to take the heat off his team mates.

 

[zaafi]

The OP said he is probably the most wasteful top player in the league. That is something that is either a statical fact or not. And I’m willing to be its not and also not even close.

Especially when as a club we are statistically one of the worst top teams in the league at creating chances

Rashford is so bad at creating chances. Last season he created 30 chances. 30. That is the same as Højbjerg, Ryan Christie, Welbeck and Fred. He created less than 3 different CDMs (Rice, Rodri, Marc Roca). Demarai Gray and Dewsbury-Hall created more than him. Let that sink in. He is a greedy player who does not understand the importance of playing as a team and isn't aware of his surroundings, so he will often go for a shot himself instead of a simple pass that could've been a goal. He got us points last season, but he sure stole some too.

 

[Hammondo]

Rashford is so bad at creating chances. Last season he created 30 chances. 30. That is the same as Højbjerg, Ryan Christie, Welbeck and Fred. He created less than 3 different CDMs (Rice, Rodri, Marc Roca). Demarai Gray and Dewsbury-Hall created more than him. Let that sink in. He is a greedy player who does not understand the importance of playing as a team and isn't aware of his surroundings, so he will often go for a shot himself instead of a simple pass that could've been a goal. He got us points last season, but he sure stole some too.

Yikes.

 

[Sylar]

That was before their goal too. When I saw it, I knew we were fecked after the promising start.

Yeah that whole build up lead to their goal (same move). A better press and you put them under pressure and possibly turn it over high up.

 

[Dominos]

Posted for ya so it shows. I honestly would have understood it slightly if rashford was on his right foot. But left foot and taking that shot was bananas. Hoijlund even slid expecting it

This screenshot is not a fair reflection of the situation. By the time Rashford touches the ball, he'd have a hard time wrapping his foot around it to get it across goal and the Brighton defender is sliding in to block the cross if it is played across goal.

The mistake was going down the outside in the first place. He had enough space inside to cut in and shoot on his right, or slide it to Hojlund using his right. He made a real mess of that opportunity.

 

[Cassidy]

Rashford is so bad at creating chances. Last season he created 30 chances. 30. That is the same as Højbjerg, Ryan Christie, Welbeck and Fred. He created less than 3 different CDMs (Rice, Rodri, Marc Roca). Demarai Gray and Dewsbury-Hall created more than him. Let that sink in. He is a greedy player who does not understand the importance of playing as a team and isn't aware of his surroundings, so he will often go for a shot himself instead of a simple pass that could've been a goal. He got us points last season, but he sure stole some too.

Compare him to the rest of the team in terms of creating chances last season. Willing to bet only Bruno and possibly Eriksen were ahead.

As a team we do not create enough and usually our play amounts to trying to get Rashford away down the left This is especially the case away from home

 

[Sylar]

This screenshot is not a fair reflection of the situation. By the time Rashford touches the ball, he'd have a hard time wrapping his foot around it to get it across goal and the Brighton defender is sliding in to block the cross if it is played across goal.

The mistake was going down the outside in the first place. He had enough space inside to cut in and shoot on his right, or slide it to Hojlund using his right. He made a real mess of that opportunity.

I gotcha, and agree screenshots don't tell the whole story. I think there were a few times he could have got it across to Hoijlund.
Tbh Ive seen rashford from that position chop it back to his right foot as well

 

[stw2022]

Rashford chooses to not look up and to take on every chance himself. This isn't something unwillingly hoisted upon him.

"We can't keep relying on Rashford" doesn't work as an argument when Rashford himself gives us no other option than to rely on Rashford. It isn't as if every time he gets the ball the rest of the team look away like bashful teenage girls and he has no choice but to surge forward and take shot after shot out of pure desperation because he has nobody else around him willing to take on the responsibility.

 

[Sky1981]

300k for this.

We'll never win anything with him and bruno in the pitch.

 

[Big Ray]

That's a bad analogy because the consequences of crashing a car is not the equivalent of an attack breaking down. Rashford's attacking threat still carries value even if it doesn't always lead to a goal; he draws defenders towards him and leaves space for others. He just needs to get his head up and play a pass more frequently.

He is 25 now. His awareness has probably peaked so hoping that he will improve his decision making is a pipe dream. We should probably sell him to PSG while we have the chance and then buy mitoma. Better end product and a methodical thinker on the pitch. Rashford has sancho levels of desire. Can someone please like this so I can get above restrictions.

 

[NinjaZombie]

I'm beginning to think Rashford is being given the leeway to play like he plays by the coaching staff. How else are you going to explain him constantly starting games and not being subbed off? How else are you going to explain him constantly making brain-dead decisions on the pitch without them being pointed out to him in post match reviews?

He's 26 this year by the way. I've given up hope of him ever developing some passable form of football intelligence.

 

[stw2022]

I'm beginning to think Rashford is being given the leeway to play like he plays by the coaching staff. How else are you going to explain him constantly starting games and not being subbed off? How else are you going to explain him constantly making brain-dead decisions on the pitch without them being pointed out to him in post match reviews?

He's 26 this year by the way. I've given up hope of him ever developing some passable form of football intelligence.

Sometimes I see his game time and I question if there's something I'm not seeing. Even looking at his stats for this year, as I know stats are the most groped for defence of his performances; he's the 2nd most dispossessed player in the league, he hasn't recorded a single tackle this season, he's got 1 goal despite only Haaland having more shots on goal than him and that's without counting the numerous instances there's not available recorded stats on like the number of times he just decides to run the ball off the pitch or those embarrassing examples of 'pressing' we seem to get Twitter videos of each week now. And I can't see the continued justification for his inclusion and think: maybe it's me?

Maybe I've got a massive blind spot and this lad is actually really good.

 

[Cassidy]

Rashford chooses to not look up and to take on every chance himself. This isn't something unwillingly hoisted upon him.

"We can't keep relying on Rashford" doesn't work as an argument when Rashford himself gives us no other option than to rely on Rashford. It isn't as if every time he gets the ball the rest of the team look away like bashful teenage girls and he has no choice but to surge forward and take shot after shot out of pure desperation because he has nobody else around him willing to take on the responsibility.

“Rashford gives us no option other than to rely on him”. Absolute bollox, look at the passes and link up he has with Bellingham only on the weekend. We should also be trying to find other attacking players in space isolated with defenders.

Issue is when we have with Antony and Sancho they have not been good enough. And today we didnt even really try we can not rely on Rashford by getting other players into dangerous positions and also progressing the ball down the right flank more.

Rashford can absolutely improve his play no doubt and should, however the team can more in my opinion.

 

[Blood Mage]

He's an absolute joke. Thinks he's better than he is and plays for himself and not the team. I am sick of the fecking sight of him.

 

[the_cliff]

“Rashford gives us no option other than to rely on him”. Absolute bollox, look at the passes and link up he has with Bellingham only on the weekend. We should also be trying to find other attacking players in space isolated with defenders.

Issue is when we have with Antony and Sancho they have not been good enough. And today we didnt even really try we can not rely on Rashford by getting other players into dangerous positions and also progressing the ball down the right flank more.

Rashford can absolutely improve his play no doubt and should, however the team can more in my opinion.

If Rashford had the chances he had today for England he'd pass the ball, he can't do hero ball for England or he'd get dropped. For us since his goals have dried up he's been trying to do the most to score, it's not natural as it was last season when he was on form. He's forcing it and it's to the detriment of the team.

 

[stw2022]

I missed us signing Bellingham. Welcome to Manchester.

 

[Cassidy]

If Rashford had the chances he had today for England he'd pass the ball, he can't do hero ball for England or he'd get dropped. For us since his goals have dried up he's been trying to do the most to score, it's not natural as it was last season when he was on form. He's forcing it and it's to the detriment of the team.

He does not do hero ball for England because he is not relied upon at England as the sole goal getter in the team. Its like when people kept complaining Pogba was holding the ball too long when we had zero movement.

The manager needs to construct an attack which has other potent threats this will create more space for Rashford too. It doesn’t help that Greenwood, Sancho and Antony have not worked out because the clear issue is the right flank is non existent (Antony not being able to even take on his fullback) and for most of the season we have not even had a striker.

Now we have a number 9 and no RW its like we can’t catch a break.ETH needs to bite the bullet and try Garnacho RW or Pellistri to give us balance.

 

[Nicoseth]

300k for this.

We'll never win anything with him and bruno in the pitch.

What the feck has Bruno got to do with anything? Give over.

 

[Nicoseth]

Rashford is so bad at creating chances. Last season he created 30 chances. 30. That is the same as Højbjerg, Ryan Christie, Welbeck and Fred. He created less than 3 different CDMs (Rice, Rodri, Marc Roca). Demarai Gray and Dewsbury-Hall created more than him. Let that sink in. He is a greedy player who does not understand the importance of playing as a team and isn't aware of his surroundings, so he will often go for a shot himself instead of a simple pass that could've been a goal. He got us points last season, but he sure stole some too.

This is nonsense. He played as a striker last year. It wasn't his job to create chances - it was his job to score, and he did that last year.

 

[3KDré]

He created plenty for Cavani and Martial. Give him time to learn Hojlund's movement.

 

[tentan]

Back to the old Rashford. I Knew last season he was giving his all because he wanted that big contract, now he's got it he can relax now.

 

[the_cliff]

He does not do hero ball for England because he is not relied upon at England as the sole goal getter in the team. Its like when people kept complaining Pogba was holding the ball too long when we had zero movement.

The manager needs to construct an attack which has other potent threats this will create more space for Rashford too. It doesn’t help that Greenwood, Sancho and Antony have not worked out because the clear issue is the right flank is non existent (Antony not being able to even take on his fullback) and for most of the season we have not even had a striker.

Now we have a number 9 and no RW its like we can’t catch a break.ETH needs to bite the bullet and try Garnacho RW or Pellistri to give us balance.

The way we play is literally set up so Rashford get's all the space, the problem is attacks on Rashfords flank either end up with a goal for Rashford or the attack dies. It's one of the reasons why we have no other goal threats. It's like the Ronaldo conundrum all over again just because one player is scoring all the goals doesn't mean the goals will dry up if said player doesn't play.

When we had Ronaldo here everyone was saying he was the only goal threat... Rashford proceeded to have his worst ever season for us and he wasn't the only 'goal threat' in that season for us. Or do you think it's just coincidental ?

I like Rashford and I think he's less of a problem than Bruno imo, he's always going to have problems with decision making etc and consistency. But it's fairly obvious to see that recently he has been very selfish in his decision making for us when compared to how he was last season or his usual self or when he plays for England. Rashford for England would've had an assist today for sure.

 

[saivet]

Well, off the ball this happens too much



Basically nullified our press. And this was first half

It was largely the same last season too. Recall looking at pressing stats, where Antony and Sancho (!) we're miles ahead of Rashford (and Garnacho) in terms of pressing.

 

[FerociousCorgis]

This is nonsense. He played as a striker last year. It wasn't his job to create chances - it was his job to score, and he did that last year.

I'm pretty sure he was LW last year for most of the time. We had trash Ronaldo to start I believe then ww and martial at times

 

[Cassidy]

The way we play is literally set up so Rashford get's all the space, the problem is attacks on Rashfords flank either end up with a goal for Rashford or the attack dies. It's one of the reasons why we have no other goal threats. It's like the Ronaldo conundrum all over again just because one player is scoring all the goals doesn't mean the goals will dry up if said player doesn't play.

When we had Ronaldo here everyone was saying he was the only goal threat... Rashford proceeded to have his worst ever season for us and he wasn't the only 'goal threat' in that season for us. Or do you think it's just coincidental ?

I like Rashford and I think he's less of a problem than Bruno imo, he's always going to have problems with decision making etc and consistency. But it's fairly obvious to see that recently he has been very selfish in his decision making for us when compared to how he was last season or his usual self or when he plays for England. Rashford for England would've had an assist today for sure.

We have played multiple games where Antony/Sancho have had the space and done feck all with it.

 

[stw2022]

It was largely the same last season too. Recall looking at pressing stats, where Antony and Sancho (!) we're miles ahead of Rashford (and Garnacho) in terms of pressing.

He's our only player who hasn't made a single tackle this year despite only Fernandes having more minutes than him.

 

[Nicoseth]

I'm pretty sure he was LW last year for most of the time. We had trash Ronaldo to start I believe then ww and martial at times

I'm pretty sure you're feckin wrong. Martial was injured most of the time and Ronaldo barely played and left in November. Rashford was our main striker last year.

 

[FerociousCorgis]

I'm pretty sure you're feckin wrong. Martial was injured most of the time and Ronaldo barely played and left in November. Rashford was our main striker last year.

Ha damn man take a deep breath and relax. Considering we didn't play Sancho much last year and garnacho didn't really get much until late I'm pretty sure that leaves rashford as our only lw so pretty sure he played there quite a bit.

 

[the_cliff]

We have played multiple games where Antony/Sancho have had the space and done feck all with it.

And what's that got to do with Rashford ?

Just because those players are shite doesn't mean Rashford is good enough all of a sudden. Shows how far we've fallen that our current best attacker is as consistent as Nani was.

We want to be a serious team again Rashford has to become a Nani for us and not our best bloody attacker...

 

[the_cliff]

Ha damn man take a deep breath and relax. Considering we didn't play Sancho much last year and garnacho didn't really get much until late I'm pretty sure that leaves rashford as our only lw so pretty sure he played there quite a bit.

He's talking none sense. Last season Rashford played 35 games on the wing and 19 games up front.

 

[FerociousCorgis]

He's talking none sense. Last season Rashford played 35 games on the wing and 19 games up front.

Yeah I mean I figured he played a bit up top but felt like he would've been more at LW

 

[KD6-3.7]

That's a bad analogy because the consequences of crashing a car is not the equivalent of an attack breaking down. Rashford's attacking threat still carries value even if it doesn't always lead to a goal; he draws defenders towards him and leaves space for others. He just needs to get his head up and play a pass more frequently.

How long have fans been saying that for?

if his decision making hasn’t improved since his debut then I doubt its ever going to, but now the club has given him this over inflated ego that he is better than he actually is so now we are going to be stuck with him playing poorly week in week out since no manager will drop him with his wages.

 

[Cassidy]

And what's that got to do with Rashford ?

Just because those players are shite doesn't mean Rashford is good enough all of a sudden. Shows how far we've fallen that our current best attacker is as consistent as Nani was.

We want to be a serious team again Rashford has to become a Nani for us and not our best bloody attacker...

Follow the conversation. I have never said Rashford should be our best attacker and actually I have been saying the opposite.

Rashford output and play is being over scrutinised because he is our only competent threat. It is also heightened on him that he must do more in a United shirt because no one else is scoring goals. If the team was more balanced I think he could play more relaxed and I also think he would be better because he would have more space and others creating for him.

He should work harder off the ball and I don’t like the fact he does not challenge for aerial balls. The rest of it, we need to get better players in the attacking third with him including fullbacks in my opinion.

Hopefully over the course of the season he develops a relationship with Hojlund

Other attackers make the same mistakes in other teams however do not get criticised as much because their teams actually create tons of chances and use other players as outlets and so there 1 or 2 times they get in and mess something up its not as heightened.