PR machine in full swing after he's been rightly called out for not giving a shit on the pitch
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I'd watch his full interview. He said he wants to win the Premier League but knows that's unlikely, so the focus is top 4 and the FA Cup. In that segment, there's nothing wrong with what he said.
He's had a big hand in making it unlikely.
I’d be inclined to believe this if I saw the guy go on the pitch and actually try. Granted in the last few games he’s been a bit better in that regard but that’s literally the minimum expectation of a player that plays for Utd.
I’m sure us fans only know part of the story but whether it’s; I don’t like the tactics, I don’t like my teammates, I don’t like the manager, none of that should excuse the piss poor efforts he’s put in this season.
If you want to change people’s perceptions of you, go out and fecking try! I don’t expect him to score or assist every game, but I do expect him to fight like feck for this badge and us fans and he’s fallen well short of that.
I’m sure us fans only know part of the story but whether it’s; I don’t like the tactics, I don’t like my teammates, I don’t like the manager, none of that should excuse the piss poor efforts he’s put in this season.
If you want to change people’s perceptions of you, go out and fecking try! I don’t expect him to score or assist every game, but I do expect him to fight like feck for this badge and us fans and he’s fallen well short of that.
PitifulI’m getting tired of the whole circus around him. It’s too much for a player who’s nowhere near close to the best players in the world, whether it’s the shambolic efforts on the pitch or non caring attitude off it or the night outs or his PR puffs every now and then, it’s always something. Is he really worth all that fuss going into the future? It’s becoming a joke now. When a player is talked about everything other than his talent on the pitch it’s never a good sign. Cut the cords with him.
Think of the players who's shoes him and the 3/4 owners think he's supposed to fill as the face the club going all the way back to Brian Robson. Any of those players wouldn't even be able to fathom putting on a United shirt and displaying the lack of work ethic, intensity, discipline and teamwork that this absolute imposter has made an acceptable standard at the club he professes to love. The only reason his effort has degenerated so much is that he knew the PR campaign the Glazers attached to him meant he could do whatever the feck he wanted with no risk of being benched for a long period, let alone being sold.
Sad that it's come to this but the standard of what's acceptable when the United badge is on your chest will not return to what it should rightfully be with him at the club.
Did I stay anything about this being a case of style being deceiving? I said players have different styles and instructions. Not everyone is running around the pitch with the same intensity, but I do think he should do more, I've said it in my posts over and over. I also think he should be dropped. Perhaps another managerial failing? And you're either being disingenuous or outright dishonest if you think insults when it comes to Rashford aren't widespread.
Except this wasn't Rashford's style at the start of his career. Surely you can see that? If not, what's stopping Bruno from all of a sudden being lazy, and then you claiming "players have different styles and instructions?" Why is there a difference between Hojlund or other players that play his position when he's out?
You fell for his PR machine. He doesn't have to say this to prove his dedication to United. He just has to show it on the pitch. This isn't a one time thing either. He always pops up with his PR after fans notice his awful body language. I'm surprised you haven't caught on yet. There's a reason why he has the nickname PR Rashford. It's due to fans noticing a pattern.
Rashford is the same player now as he was then. In fact, one of my biggest criticisms of Rashford is that his game has not evolved from when he broke into the team, I'd even argue he has regressed in key aspects like dribbling, but stylistically he's the same player. [add comment about him not doing/being good enough and should be dropped or even sold here]
Nothing is stopping Bruno from being lazy - if he does so, I'll be in the Bruno thread calling the personal insults levied at him unhinged, whilst saying he should be dropped or even sold for not doing/being good enough, like I am here.
Please keep this nonsense about "you fell for his PR" thing to yourself. Let's be civil. I don't even know what the hell you're talking about or if you're even reading the posts you're quoting - your post suggests otherwise.
Agreed, I’ve said for sometime now that this guy is going to end his career with a ton of regrets. At the very end of his career the average footballer should be able to look back with pride that they gave their all, I’m not sure he’s going to be able to do that.
I’d love for him to turn this around, I don’t dislike the guy and am absolutely desperate for him to succeed. At the end of the day he’s living the dream that most of us would kill for. It’s just sad he can’t seem to see that whilst he’s living that dream.
Well written article that had me really pulling for him after finishing it, but then you remember that he just walks around the pitch and puts in minimal effort when he's not making a run in behind or has the ball at his feet. Then it feels a bit fake, because if you love the club as much as you say then surely you'd look to make changes?
Well I have no idea why you think my post isn't directly responding to your points, and is just meant to insult you.
You mentioned that Berbatov was called out for effort too, and thus related that style to Rashford's style. This suggests that Rashford has a style similar to Berba, and people calling him out for his effort are the same as those that called out Berbatov. This is not true. If anyone is more like Berba, it's Martial. From the moment he arrived, he had this body language of everything being so casual to him. Rashford was not like this. Rashford had shown much more effort pressing even under that organized and unorganized presses of his past managers. He fought harder for loose balls.
So I feel like your post is low effort in hand waving away Man United fan's legitimate criticisms of Rashford's effort. This isn't a witch hunt. This is based on actual evidence.
The problem with your "principled" stance of not letting effort effect your opinions on players, is that there is no way to differentiate effort from effectiveness when the two are conflicting with one another. So you base opinions on only effectiveness. This is almost always a great way to judge players being good enough for United. However, if in situations where the effectiveness is gone, effort can be a great way to believe a player has a great mindset to change their fortune provided there is clear evidence of them having effort in the past. There are players like Berba and Martial. It is much more difficult to criticize players like that when they don't have fortune because you can't tell from their body language whether they care, and are working behind the scenes to get back to their best. If a player like Bruno stops doing it, why would you still believe his heart is still at United or in football when he clearly had a penchant for working hard, and now doesn't?
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Strong speech from Rashford. Words mean nothing though… actions will go a long way.
Last season I think was the closest we'll ever come to seeing what it would look like if he puts it all together. On ability alone he should easily be a 25G/10A player at the very least. Go back to some of the assists over the years and you'll see some gorgeous passes and crosses, but as with everything else it comes down to whether he feels like it or not. If top 4 is the benchmark, he's your man. If it's anything more than that, absolutely no chance.
I would have more respect for him if he did this interview while he was bang in form and working hard, not ambling around the pitch.
He's typically picked his form up every time he's been doubted and criticized, but couldn't stop himself from reverting back after having his ego stroked by the media and fans. That's the very definition of player with endless ability that will put you in the top 4 conversation but nothing more.
This is just my theory but I genuinely think Marcus needs Luke shaw more Ryan he knows but also, both players would be more than happy if the club went out and bought Theo Hernandez and Minamoto, both needs high caliber competition, Rashford did well when we had Greenwood, Cavani, fit Martial, Ogalho, Daniel James, and we scored goals that season, neither player wants to play 55-65 games they want to play 35-45 games, 8-10 for their country.
Make of that what you will but the modern game is different, look at Grealish he’s not busting a gut to get in city’s side or England’s first 11, he’s not in the media moaning about his playing time now is he ?
Jacks stats this season are 24/25 games
3 goals 2 assists
Make of that what you will but the modern game is different, look at Grealish he’s not busting a gut to get in city’s side or England’s first 11, he’s not in the media moaning about his playing time now is he ?
Jacks stats this season are 24/25 games
3 goals 2 assists
Rashford's place was never under threat then, and he's also been happy to be propped up as the face of this United side. That alone means it shouldn't matter if there's competition for his place or not. I've seen so many players at this club that in their time were one of the best players in the world at their position, miles better than the player behind them and they gave everything, match after match, season after season. If he needs to be motivated by competition for places to give everything, it's an absolute joke that he's been propped up as the face of the club, and it is an absolute joke.
It's never your fault, it's never you faaauuulllt, always a victim, it's never your fault!
I'd be United through and through, Liverpool through and through and Citeh through and through too if they were paying me 325 a week to go out on the pitch and drag my ass around like an old tired dog.
"you fell for his PR machine" as if I don't have the capacity to think for myself is an insult - especially because what I'm saying in this thread has no relation to that - and again, isn't applicable solely to Rashford
Read that paragraph again and count the leaps of logic you've made. I said not all players have the same style of play and instructions, and used Berbatov as an example of a player that also used to get the same lack of effort criticism levied at him. At no point did I suggest Berbatov and Rashford play in a similar manner/have the same style of play - outside of highlighting that not all players are cardio specialists and play with the same perceived level on intensity.
Talk about low effort. Read above and read what's being said to you, not what you want to respond to.
Another leap in logic. I don't have a principled stance of not letting effort affect my opinions on players. Time and again, including the post you've just quoted - I've said he's not done nor been good enough and should be benched, even sold. Taking imaginary stances for me so you can argue against them is almost as unhinged as some of the personal attacks/insults thrown at Rashford.
The whole thing is so disingenuous; the whole pandemic part in particular. I, and no doubt the majority of posters on here, will never forget what he did and my respect for him in that regard will never be diminished. But that doesn’t excuse strolling around the park, not being bothered and playing like shit.
How about trying a bit harder?
Pitiful this type of article comes out.
Just feck off marcus nobody here wants you any more.
Actions speak a lot louder than words if you really mean it then show it rather than poncing around the pitch not giving a shit.
If there was a middle finger emoji (there might be but I’m an old man) I’d add it here……
Pitiful this type of article comes out.
Just feck off marcus nobody here wants you any more.
Actions speak a lot louder than words if you really mean it then show it rather than poncing around the pitch not giving a shit.
If there was a middle finger emoji (there might be but I’m an old man) I’d add it here……
Just 2 or 3 more years and he will be due a run of form 
That’s an interesting take because that sort of player, who you apparently so despise, was exactly what Rashford was like from first emerging under LvG until about half way through Ole’s reign.
I’m not completely sure of the bit about Ole ruining him, but concede that there might be something in it.
All I'm going to say on Rashford is he gets far far to much hate and a great deal of it including what i have read on here at times reminds me way too much of comments i would see on the Daily Mail and its like.
We have bigger issues than Rashford. He is one of the biggest talents we have and in all honesty the main reason we achieved anything the past couple of seasons.
I don't understand the irrational dislike people have for him and the sheer hatred you get when they criticise him.
Yes he is not in good form now and he clearly knows and it's affected by what is being said about him from the club's own fans.
We have bigger issues than Rashford. He is one of the biggest talents we have and in all honesty the main reason we achieved anything the past couple of seasons.
I don't understand the irrational dislike people have for him and the sheer hatred you get when they criticise him.
Yes he is not in good form now and he clearly knows and it's affected by what is being said about him from the club's own fans.
That was some long statement and to be honest I got bored half way through it. Now that he got that off his chest he might do all of his talking on the field.
He's not in good form because he's not putting in the effort. If you find that acceptable that's your choice, but any sensible person would at least understand why he receives so much "hate" as a result. It's certainly not irrational
did you get to the part where he fell in the playground one day and cut his knee?
Hope he gets a raise after this, he is after all Utd through and through.
Please please please just let your feet do the talking because this will be fecking embarrassing if your shite against city.
Goes out clubbing, misses training, can't beat a man, can't curl a ball, never goes for 50/50s, rarely tracks back and his half ass closing down all on 325k a week. Nowhere near world class yet gets paid and treated as such. I'd rather watch a 16 year old on 1000 a week who will put in a shift and give everything he has to help the club. Only way Rashford wins back any support is to start playing up to his mid tier ability. If PSG do buy him this summer, Utd will be laughing all the way to the bank.
I never said I didn't do that. I said my post wasn't JUST (read JUST) to insult you. My post was clearly responding to your arguments too.
Man I'm having trouble taking you seriously, when you think I suggested that you think Berba and Rashford are the same style of player or have the same instructions. How on earth can you mistake the two, unless you're being dishonest? No, I do not think they're similar in how they effect the game, nor do I think you said that. I'm talking about the effort level without the ball or how they're nonchalant on the pitch because that's the defense you rolled out for handwaving away effort level criticisms. Is that not what you were saying? Rashford is clearly not the same as those types of players. And instructions can't also be the reason for this because the other players that play his position, or when he plays up top compare much more favorably in that area. He's not exactly Messi levels of effectiveness, where it's clear he doesn't have to waste his legs for the effort if it helps them retain effectiveness. Rashford doesn't have either, nor does he provide the same when actually in form.
You clearly stated this
This means that you believe effort is not worth criticizing, and that it should solely be on how good or not good enough they are, similar to Rashford hence the "like I am here." That's a principled stance. You purely want to discuss their effectiveness, and not effort otherwise, why use that Bruno hypothetical when fans would rightly question effort. It's not necessarily a bad thing to have a principled stance, I just disagree with it for the reason I explained. If you don't have a principled stance, then why single out effort as something not worth other fans being upset at to the point that you think they're unhinged? Is there an example of effort that matters in your eyes? If so, I'll retract what I said.
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I don’t understand how it’s difficult to understand the level of shit he gets, but maybe it’s just me. He’s 26, one of the best paid players in the premier league. Apart from a purple patch last season that lasted 3 months, his performances have overall been poor since Ole’s last season at the club. Goals and assists are one thing, the main problem here is that he looks completely uninterested on the pitch, as if he’d prefer to be anywhere else. He avoids 50/50’s, he generally avoids going up for headers and his pressing up top is a disaster. If you consistently bang in goals like in his purple patch last season, then obviously it changes the perspective, but when you neither have the output or effort then it’s going to be open season.
To top it off, he went out clubbing in Belfast two days in a row prior to a match, in a season where his performances have been a disaster since the beginning. There’s just no room for the off the pitch activities that Rashford is enjoying unless he’s performing well every week.The fallout from his trip to Belfast gave him an excellent chance to turn things around, just show more effort on the pitch, have a bigger presence by pressing. It lasted about 2 matches before reverting back to his old self.
The easiest thing to change is effort, he’s being called out by former professionals for showing feck all effort not for not being a fan, which i’m sure he is.
I don’t understand how it’s difficult to understand the level of shit he gets, but maybe it’s just me. He’s 26, one of the best paid players in the premier league. Apart from a purple patch last season that lasted 3 months, his performances have overall been poor since Ole’s last season at the club. Goals and assists are one thing, the main problem here is that he looks completely uninterested on the pitch, as if he’d prefer to be anywhere else. He avoids 50/50’s, he generally avoids going up for headers and his pressing up top is a disaster. If you consistently bang in goals like in his purple patch last season, then obviously it changes the perspective, but when you neither have the output or effort then it’s going to be open season.
To top it off, he went out clubbing in Belfast two days in a row prior to a match, in a season where his performances have been a disaster since the beginning. There’s just no room for the off the pitch activities that Rashford is enjoying unless he’s performing well every week.The fallout from his trip to Belfast gave him an excellent chance to turn things around, just show more effort on the pitch, have a bigger presence by pressing. It lasted about 2 matches before reverting back to his old self.
The easiest thing to change is effort, he’s being called out by former professionals for showing feck all effort not for not being a fan, which i’m sure he is.
The never ending saga. It’s just so boring at this stage. You either love playing football here or you don’t. He doesn’t look like he even enjoys it 95% of the time. Playing him game after game we are literally wasting a space. With someone else even less talented we would have the element of surprise and someone who will surely at the very least work a lot harder. It would lessen the burden on the other players and help us press far better.
Absolutely, we need to show some humanity towards him. Extra 350k a week should sort that issue out.
Peter Griffin family guy springs to mind.
Can’t be arsed reading or watching any of this PR shite. Just like he can’t be arsed most weeks.
BS away, I was one to slayghter Rashford against Luton, and thought he must be a lost cause during the Fulham game, because of the effort issues.
Therefore I need to own up to saying that against Forest, he clearly worked hard. He chased balls others din’t and wouldn’t, and wen’t on many runs behind and many runs deep to meet - too many probably. Apart from creating a situation I think warranted a penalty and one situation that was cles to being a good chance, I don’t think he played too well and neither too bad for a position he is not particularily good in - but I can’t fault him for effort va Forest. It was a whole other showing than the previous games.
He still is pretty crap at duels, but he defintively tried and trued very hard yesterday.
Therefore I need to own up to saying that against Forest, he clearly worked hard. He chased balls others din’t and wouldn’t, and wen’t on many runs behind and many runs deep to meet - too many probably. Apart from creating a situation I think warranted a penalty and one situation that was cles to being a good chance, I don’t think he played too well and neither too bad for a position he is not particularily good in - but I can’t fault him for effort va Forest. It was a whole other showing than the previous games.
He still is pretty crap at duels, but he defintively tried and trued very hard yesterday.
Rashford could have been Messi 2011 and we'd still be absolutely fecking miles from being a PL winning team. This is nonsense.
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