Yeah it’s the biggest miss from his game. He’s definitely better out on the left hugging the touchline, he improved yesterday when Sancho went off and he moved out there.
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Yeah it’s the biggest miss from his game. He’s definitely better out on the left hugging the touchline, he improved yesterday when Sancho went off and he moved out there.
Sounds like something an oppo fan would write. The man literally dribbles past 2-3 people every game (and he's the only one in the team that can do that consistently), he wasn't good, but saying he "can't dribble" is nonsense.
Wrong forum mate.
Applies to a much larger extent to Bruno than Rashford imo. I will hold them to different standards with regards to wastefulness because one plays in midfield the other as a CF.
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If Ronnie and Cavani "stick out" as you say, maybe the problem is with all the other players and not them?
Ronnie's goals speak for themselves and our performances influenced notably with Cavani CF last season as oppossed to Martial, Rashford, or Greenwood playing there.
No. But i remeber he was good in Roma and i wanted him.
Rashford had way more experience at a top club than Salah had at the same age. You have to count that aswell.
Age is just a number. Experience also counts.
You could also say Rooney was way better than Rashford has ever been at age of 18. 6 years younger than Rashford.
So im not taking age to serius unless its some crazy Haaland, Mbappe talent.
Not really a disservice unless you're only talking about their dribbling ability. Rashford and Saint-Maximin are complete opposites as wingers. Saint-Maximin's all flash and no substance, Rashford is all substance and no flash.
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So far this season:
Rashford has 2 goals and 1 assist in 496 mins. Not much substance really.
Since the start of 21 up until now. Maximin has 5 goals and 6 assists, 2398 mins, 33 matches. Rashford: 6 goals, 7 assists, 2056, 31 matches.
One of them is playing for a relegation candidate..
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Let's be honest, if he was playing for any of the teams at the bottom of the table and we were linked with a £30 million move, there wouldn't be many on here that would be that impressed.
At some point, 12 - 18 months of poor form is no longer "form" - it's just the standard that he plays at.
At some point, 12 - 18 months of poor form is no longer "form" - it's just the standard that he plays at.
Suppose we'll ignore the rest of their careers then, as that doesn't suit your poorly constructed argument. Last season Rashford scored nearly as many as Saint-Maximin in his entire career (25) unless you consider 25 goals at 24 substantial. Playing for a relegation is a cop out as exceptional players rise above adversity like that. Rashford has still outperformed him, even with your bizzarely chosen timeline, that's within the timeframe Rashford missed 2 months of the season with ankle injury. I honestly don't know why I bother debating with some people on this forum, if you're only going to paint half a picture there's no point having this discussion, you're more concerned about proving you're correct than you are about being fair.
Allan Saint-Maximin career total in all comps: 25G 33A (9G 12A - PL only)
Marcus Rashford career total in all comps: 92G 57A (57G 38A - PL only)
I actually advocated for selling Rashford yesterday as I'm fed up of him, the original post was just so monumentally stupid I had to defend him.
The point I was making was that people yesterday were claiming Rashford on current form is at the level of Saint Maximin and Sarr types and that's doing them a disservice as he can't beat a man to save his life anymore, and they even have more end product than him currently
It’s less about his past and more about his current form. If you find the year of 2021 to be a bizarrely chosen timeline to display this, then by all means.
On a more positive note (
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), he almost had a lovely assist to Ronaldo.His stats aren't even that impressive especially for a player that Ole gave complete freedom to do what he liked, so posting his stats as a defence for him doesn't even do much to help his case for being a top player.
His performances on the other hand make it clear that he's not good enough for where we want to be. I don't mind him as a rotational player but he's too limited and without the necessary technique to be anything more.
His performances on the other hand make it clear that he's not good enough for where we want to be. I don't mind him as a rotational player but he's too limited and without the necessary technique to be anything more.
What bothered me yesterday was that he started in an offside position and hence an advantage yet he got beaten in a foot race by their defender. He is no longer that quick anymore. he always doesn't try hard or make an effort anymore. As soon as he loses possession he gives up. And most of the time he runs into a couple of players and loses possession. He needs to be dropped.
Rashford's rubbish on the ball. His biggest strength is running in behind like his goal at Leicester.
I disagree with this. He is rubbish on the ball with his back to goal playing like a striker -
However, he can really take on players when playing out wider and dribbling past or through the players.
The assist he nearly set up Ronaldo with in the last match is what I'm talking about.
This is what happens all the time, there will be few who comes up with exaggerated nonsense, others will defend saying that's nonsense then third poster comes up qith "lolzy how can people defend Rashford" completely ignoring why the conversation even started.
I'm yet to see anyone defending Rashford's season or his performance in last few games, what people are defending is the nonsense like "Rashford was never good enough".
He's been shit this season. All his good performances has come when he's been subbed on, I think. Maybe that's what Ragnick needs to do.
That's what happens.
There's this poster who actually posted "Hope Rashford is one of them " and just kidding in white text in the covid outbreak thread and tried to defend it by saying it had white text. Some utter bizarre gimps in our fanbase.
He needs to be dropped. I think he offers nothing to the team at the moment.
Yes, he runs in behind but then loses the ball, so is there even a point in him running in behind?
His football IQ must be the lowest at the club.
Yes, he runs in behind but then loses the ball, so is there even a point in him running in behind?
His football IQ must be the lowest at the club.
I do wonder what he'll be like when he's 27 or 28 with all those miles on the clock and speed such a huge part of his game.
You’re on opposite end of the scale, essentially doing the same things, exaggerating.
more often than not, he stupidly over dribbles and loses the ball because he thinks he's good enough to get past 3 players. he may get through occasionally, but he doesn't do it enough.
Nonsense, opposite end of scale is saying he is elite player. I have said many times he isn't and he is having poor season, had average season last year. How is that being on opposite end of the scale?
I post his goal scoring stats when people question his productivity, its not hard to understand. Or defend him when people come up with rubbish like "he won't play for any top 7 teams in top leagues".
I think that back injury has played a part in his downfall, hampered him whilst playing through the pain barrier and post injury he's had to tweak a few things.
He's also lost that directness, aggressiveness and fearlessness too, he's majorly stagnated the past 3 seasons.
He's also lost that directness, aggressiveness and fearlessness too, he's majorly stagnated the past 3 seasons.
Yeah he definitely doesn't seem explosive. Very passive, almost as if that's his middle name.
I'd prefer Danjuma replaces him if Rangnick wants him gone. Now he's explosive in a way that we've never had in a long time.
I'd prefer Danjuma replaces him if Rangnick wants him gone. Now he's explosive in a way that we've never had in a long time.
This is my train of thought as well. The people writing him off entirely are ridiculous imo.
He’s a good player, hugely out of form, but form is temporary and all that.
Your take on his productivity, the comparison with other players, is being on the opposite end of the scale. The problem isn’t his overall numbers and how he used to perform, but the direction he’s heading in and what it means. Average performances but producing goals/assists has gradually shifted to average performances producing fewer goals/assists and awful performances with barely any productivity. His overall numbers indicates very little, if he continues with the same form as he’s shown so far in 2021, he’ll simply follow the same path as Alli and Martial, to which point it’s quite fair to debate how good either player really was. It’s hardly uncommon that young talents, and there’s an abundance of those, no matter how good they initially look, fail when it comes to continuing their development.
Maybe Rashford will never get back to the form he first showed, maybe that was his short spell, like so many others before him.
Maybe Rashford will thrive under Ralf, he’ll get the guidance he needs, maybe it’s just the injuries that have been holding him back and once everything clicks he’ll start looking like the player everyone expected him to turn into.
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Didn't he miss the start of the season with an injury, he's only been back a couple of months, and even then came back into an attack that wasn't functioning.... seems like massive overreactions in here. Are people saying he should be sold? Really?
Which form is the temporary one
He never showed his class consistently for more than 3 months, even those came after another hugely frustrating period.
I think your too far gone to discuss it sensibly with to be honest bud.
You are saying problem isn't with his overall numbers, the posts I have replied to was about his numbers are not good enough. How can his numbers be not good enough when in last 2 seasons it comparable to any PL player except Salah and maybe Kane.
I agree with the other point, his general performance has been poor this year and very poor this season. So he should be dropped. He should be impact sub and should fight for his place instead of getting free run in the first 11.
He doesn't look at his best for whatever reasons, he doesn't look as quick as he was, doesn't look electric on the field and his work rate is poor. So in short, yeah he shouldn't be starting unless he sorts it out.
The blame falls on Rashford for studying Martial, not on Martial for being the object of Rashford’s studies.
Rashford as usual is doing a wonderful job off the pitch. on the other hand Rangnick already saw like most of us Greenwood´s amazing potential on the pitch.
i cant believe the club rushed to give the number 10 to this lad who clearly has his mind somewhere else. its up to Rangnick now to sort this out or sell him while he is still worth i guess 50 millions.
i cant believe the club rushed to give the number 10 to this lad who clearly has his mind somewhere else. its up to Rangnick now to sort this out or sell him while he is still worth i guess 50 millions.
He isn't a striker anymore. He looks lost when playing up front, he can't hold up the ball, he can't head it. It's a complete waste of time.
As soon as we switched him and Bruno and put Rashford back to the left, suddenly he looked dangerous again. Hopefully Rangnick has noticed that and will considering swapping them around.
As soon as we switched him and Bruno and put Rashford back to the left, suddenly he looked dangerous again. Hopefully Rangnick has noticed that and will considering swapping them around.
My eyes are starting to open that Rashford may have hit his ceiling pretty early in his career.
Did Rashford and Bruno switch position? I thought he dropped deep naturally and that's why Rashford picked the ball in our own half when he created chance for Ronaldo.
In Rangnick's system #10 is very important. They are the ones who plays vertical passes, links everything. Can Rashford do that? I really doubt that.
For me, his best position is as LWF. Since we don't have that position, he should play as one of the 2 CFs. If he can't play then he should be on the bench. Ronaldo and Greenwood should start as CFs, Rashford can be used as a sub.
He needs proper positional coaching now. Too long he's been left to just wonder around and do what he wants.
Obviously the injuries have set him back a long way, but he's always been best out wide. He needs space to dribble. Look at what he did against Norwich at the end where Ronaldo put it over the bar. That's what we should be seeing more often.
Yeah towards the end last 5/10 minutes before DVB came on Bruno went into the middle and Rashford on the left. He then did that nice counter attack and Ronaldo nearly got the 2nd.
Not sure why people are giving up on him, pre surgery he was injured and produced brilliant numbers for a young winger, hasn't looked great coming back from injury but he needs a bit of time to get up and running and the whole team has been poor of late. I'm not concerned, he has time and has shown more than enough in his career to earn more time even if that means re-proving it coming off the bench.
I Agree with this but I also have some extra bits.
For me the whole of Rashford, Greenwood and Sancho have turned from what was supposed to be our Plan A attack to our Plan B players.
Sancho being the more creative player is better for setting up Ronaldo so is more useful.
Playing Rashford and Greenwood on either side of a front 3 with Ronaldo is just not going to work - this is a player that had Benzema setting him up through the middle so I'm not seeing how Ronaldo is going to set up Greenwood and Rashford whilst I'm not going see how they are going to set up Ronaldo either.That's in a 3 man front line.
In a 2 man front line we have the same problems but Greenwood is more of a striker than Rashford who is better playing out wide, so it should be Greenwood in partnership with Ronaldo- however Greenwood isn't exactly going to hold the ball up and tee up Ronaldo. I'd argue that Cavani or even Martial is better at that.
Rashford for me is a pure LW player. He looks like he can't control the ball on the RW even if he can be useful occasionally whilst as a striker he can't hold the ball up or play his more natural game.
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