[Born2Lose]

Glad someone in the media has finally grown a pair to point out what most United fans have been pointing out for well over a year.

This isn't a lack of form, it's a lack of effort, and while the club accepts this sort of mediocrity the decline will just continue indefinitely. The clip shows that when Rashford "plays" as he does currently we're essentially a man down defensively.

I'd rather watch us in the Championship with eleven players showing total commitment on the pitch than have to put up with these whining pampered primadonnas every week.

 

[calodo2003]

We need to change the picture at the top of the page from a Rashford who exuded energy & desire to one more in line with his current output.

 

[The Oracle]

Glad someone in the media has finally grown a pair to point out what most United fans have been pointing out for well over a year.

This isn't a lack of form, it's a lack of effort, and while the club accepts this sort of mediocrity the decline will just continue indefinitely.

Exactly correct.

He was on the bench for more than half the match, so he would have had bags of energy when he came on. He chose not to even break a sweat... pathetic.

 

[TwoSheds]

THATs your big feking excuse? He 'hasn't been given confidence'. Inspite of starting since Ole was sacked 9/10 games whilst in horrendous form?


The ONLY reason Pogba and Bruno played as a 10 and false 9 was Rashford has been in such I'll from he couldn't be trusted to start. His contribution off the bench proved it further......

Next time maybe we can just cut out the middle man, bring him on at DM and start complaints towards him 5 minutes before he gets on the field.

For the record I don't think Rashford's been good enough or worked hard enough this season. Perhaps he's too fragile mentally and needs to be moved on. Given Rangnick hasn't managed to get a tune out of literally anybody in the squad though, I won't let Rangnick be the judge of that. He's a fecking joke perpetrated on us by the Glazer brain trust and unless we get a real manager in the summer I will not back the manager / board over Rashford. Proven disgraces year after year directing our club and until Murtough, Arnold and the rest of them demonstrate anything at all to change that view I will not be slagging off the playing squad.

 

[Greck]

Stop blaming what position RR plays him. Rashford started as the second central striker in Ralf's first 2 games. He was so appalling he got shifted to the right 10 minutes into the second game. Rashford isn't playing poor because of playing out of position, rather he's playing out of position because he is playing poor. RR even wanted to play with 2 strikers originally. Rashford is so privileged he rarely ever had to fight for a starting place. Even when there was competition he was the go-to choice.

 

[GifLord]

For those not in UK

 

[girish]

That is fecking diabolical.

 

[Corridor of Uncertainty]

Lazy thick as shit footballer. Let him go in the summer if any club is stupid enough to pay him the huge wages he'll undoubtedly ask for.

 

[Ali Dia]

This is what most people who defend him dont get. His attitude and willingness to play has been shocking. At his age Rooney and Ronaldo were going in upward trajectory and Rashford is going in downward direction. He has the talent but his temperament is of an average player at the moment and that shows on the pitch. You can have all the talent in the world but your attitude will decide whether you will be great player or a mediocre one.

Martial gets slagged off for the same but when people point that Rashford is equally bad at the same stuff, people start making excuses as team is broken, injuries or make it political.

I am still hopeful he might change his work ethic but at 24, it certainly dont look promising.

He’s been martialed. Last season fair enough, up to a point. This season was his time to show he was up for the work that the new chapter at the club will hopefully entail and he’s 110% bottled it so far. Leak after leak “Rashford feels… bla bla bla”
At least the stats army have finally seen sense. He’s a busted flush unless something major happens to his attitude. All I see is someone who is trying their best to let everyone know he’s pissed off? Fine, then just take it somewhere else and let the rest of the lads and the manager do their work. Talent without application is useless

 

[superdry]

Lies! Lingard put Rashford through twice in second half. Rashford fevked up them moves all on his lone some. Just like the rest of his performance.

Lies!! ? The sooner they're gone the better!

 

[Swiss_Red89]

I defended him a lot, but sadly even I'm loosing hope with him. For some reason, he just doesn't want to put in the hard work and run himself into the ground on the field.

Or could it be that he would want, but is that fecked physically, that he's just not able to put in the amount of running required for this level?
If yes, than he should change something, be it nutrition or a training regime to improve his stamina or whatever.
Anyway, the current version of Rashford and his general workrate when we don't own the ball is just not acceptable. (and it was like this for a long time).
He either improves it in the next 12-15 months, or he will be a strong contender for sale in summer 2023.
It's sad to see how things are developing, there was so much hope that he could turn into a worldclass striker/winger.

Atm, he's very close to getting booed at Old Trafford if he continues like this. Astonishing, when you consider that it's not even two years ago where he would have
received a standing ovation just for entering the pitch.

 

[pratyush_utd]

I am glad that there is a backlash to his “bemusement and seek clarity” PR move. Even Henry Winter who rarely slag off anyone was quite harsh on him in his piece about how to resurrect United. Only delusional fans who worship him here have not seen his lack of professionalism and its funny because same people have no issue in slagging players of other nationality.

I still feel he can turn it around and be a great squad option for United but he really need to sort his attitude

 

[clarkydaz]

Glad someone in the media has finally grown a pair to point out what most United fans have been pointing out for well over a year.

This isn't a lack of form, it's a lack of effort, and while the club accepts this sort of mediocrity the decline will just continue indefinitely. The clip shows that when Rashford "plays" as he does currently we're essentially a man down defensively.

I'd rather watch us in the Championship with eleven players showing total commitment on the pitch than have to put up with these whining pampered primadonnas every week.

i assume Carragher has already been threatened by his PR team

 

[Glorio]

A potentially unpopular opinion here, but I'm beginning to wonder if Rashford is finding motivation hard to come by because he's achieved what he needed from the game i.e. financial stability for him and his family.

It sounds horrendous, but the same school of thought has been directed at a few South American players from very poor backgrounds in the past who made it big and dipped sharply afterwards.

The thinking is that for some of these kids, the hunger to succeed was never about greatness, legacy, or the love of the game. It was about something more fundamental to life: survival and an escape (for them and their families) from a terrible financial state. Talent was basically a lifeline.

When Rashford talks about his charitable initiatives, it's clear poverty was a dominant running theme for his family during his childhood, strong enough that it drove him to accomplish some seriously impressive results for not just his family, but families across the UK. It's possible that it is the same passion that drove him on coming through the ranks and earlier in his professional football career.

As it happens, today he has firmly exorcised those issues (spoken with Obama, has bested the government itself, has unbelievable commercial appeal), and perhaps deep in his psyche, so deep that even he is unaware of it (or unwilling to admit it anyway), his fight is done and he just can't find the motivation to keep pushing himself at the highest level.

This is not me trying to dump on Rashford, it's just a POV that's a possibility

 

[ManchesterManchester]

Just watched Carraghers analysis of the game, very interesting. He highlighted a moment where Rashford had given up and didn’t run back when we were 3-1 down.

Most will remember a couple months ago when he didn’t bother to go to for the rebound for Greenwood’s shot which could have been a goal.

That to me is more concerning than any of his form, if he has lost the desire to play for the team then he needs to be sold asap.

 

[Foxbatt]

I defended him a lot, but sadly even I'm loosing hope with him. For some reason, he just doesn't want to put in the hard work and run himself into the ground on the field.

Or could it be that he would want, but is that fecked physically, that he's just not able to put in the amount of running required for this level?
If yes, than he should change something, be it nutrition or a training regime to improve his stamina or whatever.
Anyway, the current version of Rashford and his general workrate when we don't own the ball is just not acceptable. (and it was like this for a long time).
He either improves it in the next 12-15 months, or he will be a strong contender for sale in summer 2023.
It's sad to see how things are developing, there was so much hope that he could turn into a worldclass striker/winger.

Atm, he's very close to getting booed at Old Trafford if he continues like this. Astonishing, when you consider that it's not even two years ago where he would have
received a standing ovation just for entering the pitch.

He doesn't need to be tired. He has just come on and he stood there all the time. Surely even an unfit 60 year old would have moved more and quicker than him as shown in the clip? He needs to get booed and that may knock some sense into him.

 

[Corridor of Uncertainty]

We all know what's going to happen.

He'll at some point score a couple of goals and will be rewarded with a bumper five year deal on £350,000 a week.

 

[clarkydaz]

A potentially unpopular opinion here, but I'm beginning to wonder if Rashford is finding motivation hard to come by because he's achieved what he needed from the game i.e. financial stability for him and his family.

Ronaldo called it out only a few months being here, young players being given too much too soon with nothing to prove. And this club gives the most

 

[Rocknrolla69er]

Effected by Pogba and Martials attitudes and Ego's in fact its a culture at United now. Numerous players looking like they can't be arsed, no arguments just shift all of them on ASAP I'd suggest the below list to start

Pogba ooc
Lingaard ooc
Rashford
Awb
Bailly
Henderson
Martial

All seem to be in the whiney can't be arsed little clique, sell or release the lot.

We know Fred etc ain't the best but at least they try eh.

 

[stw2022]

Can we go through all the players who ended up not being good enough for as and conclude they were actually brilliant footballers with a lot on their minds?

 

[MoskvaRed]

Do we think he’ll make the England squad for Qatar? Personally I can’t see how he gets picked on merit - England are fairly well-stocked with forwards and, in any case, Southgate has not been afraid in the past to exile consistently under-performing “stars” like Dele Alli.

 

[UncleBob]

Do we think he’ll make the England squad for Qatar? Personally I can’t see how he gets picked on merit - England are fairly well-stocked with forwards and, in any case, Southgate has not been afraid in the past to exile consistently under-performing “stars” like Dele Alli.

If he continues to perform like this he's getting binned, easily.

 

[UNITED ACADEMY]

Disgusting attitude and team's play. From that Carragher video, he didn't even try to press as a team and only ball watching. Hope PSG are really offering us 60m-70m. They need Mbappe's replacement after all.

 

[Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber]

Lies!! ? The sooner they're gone the better!

That has no relevance to lying about them

 

[Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber]

We all know what's going to happen.

He'll at some point score a couple of goals and will be rewarded with a bumper five year deal on £350,000 a week.

Not with Woodward gone

 

[kouroux]

For those not in UK

Rashford is a disgrace tbh. What he did there was unprofessional

 

[Telsim]

Marcus Rashford is an interesting case. I think he epitomizes everything that is currently wrong at Manchester United. At present, he is actively making the team worse when he is on the pitch. I think he will be the most important person in the summer. His fate will define the future of the club.

If the club is serious about becoming better, and I don't believe that, he will get sold during the summer transfer window. His overall ability, while not terrible, is not exactly that impressive. He is a one-dimensional footballer with an attitude and professionalism that leave much to be desired. None of this warrants a place in the team, much less a better contract. This much should be obvious to anyone who isn't completely delusional.

If he doesn't get sold in the summer, but instead gets offered a new, better contract, which I believe will be the case, then the club obviously has no intention of changing anything regarding how it operates. There is no reason he should be kept, worse paid more, other than sentiment, marketability and good PR. The prioritization of those over skill, commitment and hunger is what has led the club down this disastrous path. We are finished as a big club in that case.

 

[The-Natural]

Marcus Rashford is an interesting case. I think he epitomizes everything that is currently wrong at Manchester United. At present, he is actively making the team worse when he is on the pitch. I think he will be the most important person in the summer. His fate will define the future of the club.

If the club is serious about becoming better, and I don't believe that, he will get sold during the summer transfer window. His overall ability, while not terrible, is not exactly that impressive. He is a one-dimensional footballer with an attitude and professionalism that leave much to be desired. None of this warrants a place in the team, much less a better contract. This much should be obvious to anyone who isn't completely delusional.

If he doesn't get sold in the summer, but instead gets offered a new, better contract, which I believe will be the case, then the club obviously has no intention of changing anything regarding how it operates. There is no reason he should be kept, worse paid more, other than sentiment, marketability and good PR. The prioritization of those over skill, commitment and hunger is what has led the club down this disastrous path. We are finished as a big club in that case.

This is exactly how I feel.

 

[Mike Smalling]

So what do people think is actually going on with him? It seems to me like his head is somewhere else entirely, and it's not just a confidence thing.

I know the whole 'he should focus on football' is a bit of a meme, but I can't help but think that all the off-the-pitch stuff has had an impact. Not in the sense that he spent a lot of time on it, because he can only train so much in a day anyway. It's maybe more in all the praise and attention he (rightfully) got, which may have impacted his view on himself as a footballer as well. He maybe got the sense that he had 'made it' a little too early, when in reality he was quite far from being the finished product as a footballer. This patch of bad form seems to have hit him extremely hard.

 

[Red Devil 26]

Marcus Rashford is an interesting case. I think he epitomizes everything that is currently wrong at Manchester United. At present, he is actively making the team worse when he is on the pitch. I think he will be the most important person in the summer. His fate will define the future of the club.

If the club is serious about becoming better, and I don't believe that, he will get sold during the summer transfer window. His overall ability, while not terrible, is not exactly that impressive. He is a one-dimensional footballer with an attitude and professionalism that leave much to be desired. None of this warrants a place in the team, much less a better contract. This much should be obvious to anyone who isn't completely delusional.

If he doesn't get sold in the summer, but instead gets offered a new, better contract, which I believe will be the case, then the club obviously has no intention of changing anything regarding how it operates. There is no reason he should be kept, worse paid more, other than sentiment, marketability and good PR. The prioritization of those over skill, commitment and hunger is what has led the club down this disastrous path. We are finished as a big club in that case.

This is absolutely spot on.

 

[Corridor of Uncertainty]

Marcus Rashford is an interesting case. I think he epitomizes everything that is currently wrong at Manchester United. At present, he is actively making the team worse when he is on the pitch. I think he will be the most important person in the summer. His fate will define the future of the club.

If the club is serious about becoming better, and I don't believe that, he will get sold during the summer transfer window. His overall ability, while not terrible, is not exactly that impressive. He is a one-dimensional footballer with an attitude and professionalism that leave much to be desired. None of this warrants a place in the team, much less a better contract. This much should be obvious to anyone who isn't completely delusional.

If he doesn't get sold in the summer, but instead gets offered a new, better contract, which I believe will be the case, then the club obviously has no intention of changing anything regarding how it operates. There is no reason he should be kept, worse paid more, other than sentiment, marketability and good PR. The prioritization of those over skill, commitment and hunger is what has led the club down this disastrous path. We are finished as a big club in that case.

Spot on. He's a microcosm of the club itself.

A brand first, a footballer/football club second.

 

[MUFC OK]

https://www.skysports.com/football/...nnot-seriously-consider-sale-says-paul-merson

How am I finding myself agreeing with almost every word Paul Merson says? scary times.

 

[MUFC OK]

Spot on. He's a microcosm of the club itself.

A brand first, a footballer/football club second.

I'm sick of hearing this. On what basis do you know that to be true? Because he's not playing well at the moment? He's had a meteoric rise since making his debut, struggled with injury and now a crisis of confidence and our spoilt fans want him out.

 

[MUFC OK]

Marcus Rashford is an interesting case. I think he epitomizes everything that is currently wrong at Manchester United. At present, he is actively making the team worse when he is on the pitch. I think he will be the most important person in the summer. His fate will define the future of the club.

If the club is serious about becoming better, and I don't believe that, he will get sold during the summer transfer window. His overall ability, while not terrible, is not exactly that impressive. He is a one-dimensional footballer with an attitude and professionalism that leave much to be desired. None of this warrants a place in the team, much less a better contract. This much should be obvious to anyone who isn't completely delusional.

If he doesn't get sold in the summer, but instead gets offered a new, better contract, which I believe will be the case, then the club obviously has no intention of changing anything regarding how it operates. There is no reason he should be kept, worse paid more, other than sentiment, marketability and good PR. The prioritization of those over skill, commitment and hunger is what has led the club down this disastrous path. We are finished as a big club in that case.

How short is your memory to not think that Rashford ability is not impressive? What are we expecting from our players, continual improvement season on season until they become the next Salah? He's going through the worst patch of his career but why are you so adamant he should be moved on?

How is keeping a 24 year old player, with his best years ahead of him a decision based on sentiment - it would be an astute footballing decision. Pretty sure we would not be short of suitors if he was up for sale and that would be from teams competing in the latter stages of the CL.

Complete hyperbolic nonsense here, I'm afraid. We're not having a good season at all but this idea of "sell everyone and everything" attitude of ‘fans’ chucking their toys out of the pram is dim-witted.

 

[Bebestation]

The One thing Im worried about is if Rashford is like Kaka and is unable to perform post injury.

That's not an excuse for him, but more that I'd be sad that i won't be able to see his good performances for us or anyone else again.

 

[SmallCaine]

I'm sick of hearing this. On what basis do you know that to be true? Because he's not playing well at the moment? He's had a meteoric rise since making his debut, struggled with injury and now a crisis of confidence and our spoilt fans want him out.

You don’t need confidence to trackback or put in a shift. You just need to work hard. Rashford right now walks on to the pitch expecting others to do the work for him and wants others to treat him like ronaldo, except he has neither the skill nor the reputation to warrant it.

People want him out became he's gotten too big for his boots, he thinks himself a far better player than he'll ever be. All he does right now is pr, so yes that's what he is, a brand.

 

[No Idea For Nickname]

https://www.skysports.com/football/...nnot-seriously-consider-sale-says-paul-merson

How am I finding myself agreeing with almost every word Paul Merson says? scary times.

Well, two reasons why you agree:
1. Merson is English, God forbit he says anything bad about English player. First sentence "It's been two, three months". Really? He has been like that since the restart. Goal here, goal there, paper over crack.
2. You are a fanboi, you will defend him at any cost while blaming everybody else along the way.

 

[mctrials23]

Come on, Rashford hasn't realised his promise at all and he has massively regressed over the last 2 years. Hes getting paid a salary that would put him in the top 20 footballers in the world and hes not even in the top 100. The fans can get behind and support a player who is going through a rough patch as long as they are putting in the effort. What we can't stand and what we get sick of very quickly is a player on $250k/week who can't even be bothered to work for his team.

I never remember questioning the attitudes of pretty much any of our players 10 years ago. I didn't appreciate Rooneys agitating but I never wondered if he was going to give his all on the pitch come Saturday.

We stupidly gave Rashford a salary based on what we thought he would be in the future rather than what he was at the time. Hes now not even close to that level any more. If he doesn't sort himself out, move him on. Even at his peak he wasn't worth the money we were paying him.

 

[Bebestation]

You don’t need confidence to trackback or put in a shift. You just need to work hard. Rashford right now walks on to the pitch expecting others to do the work for him and wants others to treat him like ronaldo, except he has neither the skill nor the reputation to warrant it.

People want him out became he's gotten too big for his boots, he thinks himself a far better player than he'll ever be. All he does right now is pr, so yes that's what he is, a brand.

Why do you think it's his ego by the way and not a post injury thing?

This is what RVP directly said to Rashford :

Robin van Persie has warned Manchester United that Marcus Rashford may always have a “weakspot” after picking up a back injury.

Why isn't that a possibility why he doesn't run as much as before?

I just want to know your opinion.

On Google back pain and running is said "Running with improper form can dramatically increase the stress to the back and can contribute to joint injuries (hip, knee and ankle) developing over time."

 

[MUFC OK]

Well, two reasons why you agree:
1. Merson is English, God forbit he says anything bad about English player. First sentence "It's been two, three months". Really? He has been like that since the restart. Goal here, goal there, paper over crack.
2. You are a fanboi, you will defend him at any cost while blaming everybody else along the way.

There's a lot to be said for being measured in assessing a player. His form has been shocking for over a year now and agree his lack of work rate is not acceptable, I was shouting at him at the Southampton game for giving the ball away and not tracking back. So far from being a 'fan boi', I just don't see a reason to move him on unless he's asking to leave. He can definitely turn this around, look at De Gea who was out of sorts for longer yet has come back in and performed well this season.

I wouldn't be giving up on a 24 year old talent who we've literally seen do the business for United in favour of the unknown.