SAFMUTD
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He's going to score today I can feel it.
Nice to find someone who can disagree on some point without getting angry!
Look, I'm not saying Marcus can never become world-class, of course he can. Who is to say next year he doesn't get 25 PL goals? Nobody can predict that. What I am saying I don't think he will quite hit those heights. That is an opinion, it's totally subjective and is a debate on an Internet forum. Many may have a different opinion. What I have said time and time again to other posters is pointing out a player is NOT currently world-class or highlighting weaknesses isn't sacrilege.
What I will say about Rashford is that you are right about the passes between the lines. The one thing you can't ever accuse Rashford of is not trying things. I would prefer that any day to the likes of Mata who don't try things or Pereira/Lingard who do but just can't execute.
I'm genuinely baffled by the aggression of some posters if you suggest he might not be world-class though....how many players WILL be world-class? You're talking very, very few. Also, not all players in the 23 have to be world-class for us to have a fantastic side. I see no reason why Rashford couldn't start 20 games (in rotation with Sancho and Mason) in a side that wins the title one day
The one thing I will stand by (and probably get called all sorts of names for again) - I think Rashford is an AWFUL centre forward. Really, really bad. No striker's instinct whatsoever and as I said in my very first post, I think you take away all the good bits of his game if you ask him to play as a lone CF. Now, again. I don't get why people are so upset about me saying this. If you think back to our worst run this season, we played Rashford at CF due to Martial being injured. Now, of course I'm not saying we played poorly in those games just because Rashford played CF....but it WAS a factor. It was widely acknowledged at the time that he really struggled against some very poor sides. But hey, we learned something, don't play him at CF! That's not a criticism really is it....it's like saying Luke Shaw is a good LB but don't play him RB or Matic is a good DM but don't play him CB! Lest we forget, he was always a winger in the Youth teams!
Today:The first thing to say is Rashford is not world class and never will be.
Nice to find someone who can disagree on some point without getting angry!
Look, I'm not saying Marcus can never become world-class, of course he can. Who is to say next year he doesn't get 25 PL goals? Nobody can predict that.
I concur. Got a cheeky tenner on 4-0 with Rashy to score firstHe's going to score today I can feel it.
Yesterday:
Today:
Which is it?
Yeah he seems himself as a CF, but in reality when he plays there it strips all of the things that he excels at from his game (facing up defenders, running with the ball at pace, interlinking and playing passes between the lines, long distance shooting etc). Playing with his back to goal is not his strongest point. A great example was Greenwood's goal against Villa and the work Martial did to set it up, beating Mings on the half way line. That's not really Rashfords game.
The biggest criticism of Rashfords game for me is that he makes the most difficult things look effortless, but loses concentration on the basics. It's actually his focus on nailing down the basics this season that has propelled him to another level this season. Hopefully he can roll all of that together next season and be even better.
You didn’t say so. In fact, I can quote the sentence directly before this one, which is presented as a more objective and realistic view:One is my opinion - my OPINION is that I don't think he will ever be world-class
The other is a fact - it is a FACT that we cannot conclusively say he will never be world-class
I agree with this. His inconsistent touch or pass is something that always bothered me about his game. I always thought he was a bit clumsy when running at defenders with the ball.Great point - I actually 100% agree with that. I've struggled to articulate the same point but that's what I mean when I talk about 'base level'.
For example, sometimes Rashford does things that are genuinely world-class (the rabona against Bournemouth last season, the free-kick against Chelsea) however, he also misplaces simple passes and mis-controls the ball far more regularly than you would expect a top player to.
Maybe that's concentration more than bare technique. My opinion is I side towards technique....but if it's concentration then yeah that can easily improve with age
You didn’t say so. In fact, I can quote the sentence directly before this one, which is presented as a more objective and realistic view:
Now, all that being said, I feel that now we’re on an upward trajectory, we have a settled manager who understands Rashford’s best position and the fan/media hype around him has largely disappeared, we can be honest and level-headed about his actual talent.
The post was just a mess, with clear bias presented as the more objective judgement. It wasn’t. You get a lot more leeway when criticizing players if there isn’t a clear dislike based on no tangible empiric basis. You then proceeded to complain about posters lack of quality analysis when called out. Go figure!
We don’t know either way, but what we do know, if you’ve actually watched Rashford from 18 yo until now, is that he’s had a tremendous development.
No worries, he’s not nailed on to become world class, I just think it’s unfair to state categorically that he won’t be. He has surprised me with his development since his first season. Exceeding my expectations so far, so he has a great chance to become a special player. Greenwood is something else indeed, that’s why level headed folks are getting giddy and comparing him to the greats.I'm not being drawn into semantics - I write these posts in 5 minutes on my phone, they're not political discourses! I think it was very clear exactly what I was saying - that I believe Rashford will fall short of world-class
Incidentally, Gary Neville literally just said on Sky that Greenwood, and I quote, is 'another level' to Rashford and Martial. I expect several members of the Rashford fan club on this page must have just melted at the mere suggestion he's not the best player ever
CAVEAT - As usual, I will add that I like Rashford, I rate Rashford (as an AML) and I am merely claiming I don't believe he is or will ever be 'world-class'
Incidentally, Gary Neville literally just said on Sky that Greenwood, and I quote, is 'another level' to Rashford and Martial. I expect several members of the Rashford fan club on this page must have just melted at the mere suggestion he's not the best player ever
My man of the match. Was our biggest threat all game.
Cost us the game. Cant do the basic things right. Gives away the ball with no pressure and also under pressure. Hides from luke shaw when he needs an outlet to pass too. Honestly sick of this.
that chance that he missed cost us the game. he also misplaces way too many passes that put us under pressure. Whats so funny? His inconsistency is killing us.
that chance that he missed cost us the game. he also misplaces way too many passes that put us under pressure. Whats so funny? His inconsistency is killing us.
that chance that he missed cost us the game. he also misplaces way too many passes that put us under pressure. Whats so funny? His inconsistency is killing us.
How many passes has Bruno missplaced today?that chance that he missed cost us the game. he also misplaces way too many passes that put us under pressure. Whats so funny? His inconsistency is killing us.
Are you drunk ? Was our second best player after Martial. Bruno and Pogba were far more sloppy with their passing.Cost us the game. Cant do the basic things right. Gives away the ball with no pressure and also under pressure. Hides from luke shaw when he needs an outlet to pass too. Honestly sick of this.
that chance that he missed cost us the game. he also misplaces way too many passes that put us under pressure. Whats so funny? His inconsistency is killing us.