Fair enough mate. And I might be wrong but Rojo seems to be a really perceptive defender himself. I like Blind but Van Gaal has a way of gradually mentoring and coaching up his players and if Rojo takes to it, I believe he would be a better player for us given his higher ceiling, speed in space and technical ability. Only major concern with him - extremely left footed. Almost to a fault and that could pose a problem in tight situations with the emphasis on pressing.
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Fair enough mate. And I might be wrong but Rojo seems to be a really perceptive defender himself. I like Blind but Van Gaal has a way of gradually mentoring and coaching up his players and if Rojo takes to it, I believe he would be a better player for us given his higher ceiling, speed in space and technical ability. Only major concern with him - extremely left footed. Almost to a fault and that could pose a problem in tight situations with the emphasis on pressing.
https://twitter.com/marcosrojoscp/following
Following Real Madrid and Barcelona. The only United player he's following is Valencia.
I don't know my instagram password so can't be bothered.
Following Real Madrid and Barcelona. The only United player he's following is Valencia.
I don't know my instagram password so can't be bothered.
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Apparently it's on his Instagram. It's probably complete bollox.
Very few people seem to know about him now, though by this time tomorrow, I expect half the members to be experts.
So, we've down to assuming players are joining us judging by who they follow on social media?
Desperate.
Desperate.
Rojo hype.
I keep thinking we need to get the players that are about to become stars. Think Benatia before he went Roma, Vidal before he went Juve, Reus before Dortmund etc. Not saying Rojo is going to become that, but he has the toolset to get there and then in 2 years time we are laughing at why he is being priced at 35m when we can have him now for sub 15m.
Here's a head start:
0 - 0:45 = meaningless drivel
0:45 - 5:00 = Goals
5:00 - 9:00 = some actual defending
9:00 - 13:30 = playing out from the back
Please note: entire video is accompanied by the worst music known to man.
Just based purely on his performances in the world cup, I rate him highly. He was Argentina's best defender in my opinion, and that sounds like not such a big deal but they were rock solid. I would take this guy over a few of the other centre halves we've been linked with. He's versatile, quick, strong, and a talented player.
I wonder if Rojo played above his level at the World Cup. I have not seen him play with Sporting, but going into the World Cup he was seen as the weak link in Argentina's defense and it was 50/50 whether he would be the starting left back. He did have a great World Cup though and was one of the best players in a good Argentinean defense.
Sorry man - what were you saying?
I understand your point about LvG alright man, but maybe if he'd bought some more superstars to fit into his system - then maybe he'd have won a helluva lot more at the clubs he's been at, dont you think?
He's already got top players like Rooney, Mata & Herrera dancing to his song - they were strangers to him at 1st, but they bought into his mantra same as RvP did with the national team.
I've said so many times on here; whats the point him buying good players & gettin an extra 10-15% out of them, when he could buy world-class players & get that an extra 10-15% or more, out of them instead?!
This whole Vermaelaen shit is f*ckin baffling too. I thought it was a joke when the rumours started. He's been a crock for 2 years now & the only sense i can make of it, is that a biased RvP told LvG to get his great buddy & said some shit like: "he's the hardest opponent i've ever faced" type of shite.
Van Gaal should have went for De Vrij instead of Verm - its a no-brainer. My guess is the only reason Barca went for him, was because we were & we're supposedly lookin for Rio & Vida replacements, so United must have known something that not even Arsenal knew about him. Maybe Verm is someway connected to the Sanchez deal too..
Regardless, atleast United told Wenger to f*ck off with their Smalling swap suggestion. That in itself tells a story too, given that the jury is very much out on Smalling's ability to play at the highest level & yet Wenger thought of him as a better player than his own Captain.
If the money's there to make us serious contenders for the title this season - feckin spend it on the best around & none of this Vermaelaen type of signing. We might aswell have kept Rio for Christ sake..
Not a rant at you either Rams. I just dont buy into agreeing with the manager, or the clubs decisions all the time
He looked uncomfortable at LB in the WC to me. Solid defensively though but not going forward that much.
Not sure why people are saying he can play LWB or be a Blind alternative in this system ?
He'd make more sense at LCB though depending how good a CB he is.
Not sure why people are saying he can play LWB or be a Blind alternative in this system ?
He'd make more sense at LCB though depending how good a CB he is.
He was one of their best players at LB.
He was solid defensively but didn't look that great to me. Almost seemed sort of Phil Jones playing RB. Solid defensively for big games but not a natural going forward.
They had a bunch of players who performed evenly or around similar level so yeah he could be amongst their best players, but Garay was their best defender.
I think he's much quicker than Jones and a better crosser. Thought he had quite the engine too.
He's got a great name, looks like hes got lots of tatoos and a good haircut. as long as hes 80+ on fifa ill gladly say he's world class and will welcome him to united.
That's not true at all. Jones is a excellent athlete. Anyway, the point is he looked uncomfortable going forward and not a natural in a 4. Cannot see him playing LWB in a 5 at all.
LB in a 4 he can do a job but CB has been his best position. Sort of similar to Vermaelen, i guess.
Not a very good player who is getting a good move after looking good for a few weeks on the world stage.
I'd happily include him as a LCB if thats the case. I think he's an excellent prospect.
Stood out to me as a hard and passionate defender in the WC other than that I can't comment but if he's a LVG transfer I trust him.
Garay & Mascherano were the main reason for the defensive solidity in that Argie team. Rojo had Garay tellin him what to do & where to be, all the time. If Garay wasnt there - Rojo would probably have went to shite.
Its the same scenario as Jones & Smalling playin together at CB. It didnt work - it was a headless chickens most of the time. Fergie would rarely play them together, but he played one or the other with Rio or Vida - same as he did with Evans, to get them up to a progression standard.
Any CB that does a "Rabona" at a world cup (in their own peno box) - is only interested in his own personal fortunes:
He even tells his keeper to f*ck off when he's given stick for being a flash risk-taking twat..
You reckon Garay didnt make him look good then, or that Mascherano was always there helping Garay deal with things - like last-ditch tackles etc?
You agree with LvG goin for Vermaelaen then?
If so, why, & dont give it the "In LvG we trust" response?!
I'll be honest, it's because I don't know who's left.....Vermaelen wasn't even on my radar as a potential signing when we got LVG in. It came out of the blue for me and I didn't see what others did when we were strongly linked. I saw an injury prone CB who's very best was behind him but silently I was fairly confident LVG would get something out of him.
I never was into the idea of Vermaelen, to me it was a very strange pursuit which didn't reap many advantages. In my eyes we need a defender that combines three roles into one.
1. An experienced level head and ability to command.
2. Technical qualities to play from the back and command the attack as all balls played from this area begin the advancement up the field.
3. Bravery, the ability and knowledge to know when it's time to dive in, make that audacious tackle that would otherwise be a penalty but turns out to be the perfectly timed interjection.
Vermaelen possessed all those skills but could never apply them directly and consistently through injury. However I fear he may prove me wrong and go on to be recognised as one of the best natural defenders in the world.
Moving on however we obviously can not find a CB that posseses those talents AND has the natural advantage of being left footed. What is the next best thing? Finding someone that has all those qualities with the odd admission.
Rojo worked amazingly when he had a covering CB I'm Garay because Garay is a leader, a strong, brave defender who can organise the back and play out. Garay is not coming, he's gone to Russia however I sincerely don't think we will start the season having only signed a natural left footer for the third CB position, it strikes me that it's not that advantage he would give us but also his tenacious attitude and ability to play out from the back (Rojo).
I would be very very surprised if our current mandate is not to partner him with a leader from the back, a Benatia type or Hummels (off the cards) to reign him in when he goes "too far in" we'd look very very very good at the back. We'd have that attitude of "we never give in" combined with intelligence.
Sorry about the long post but you did ask for my reasons for supporting this transfer. In the WC he looked like one of those players no one really notices but I thought he was brilliant, I even remember noticing him and thinking "there's a low profile player that could work for us".
Great post SS (damn you for having shit fascist initials too
) & you've given me good reason to rethink about yer man Rojo. I love to be proved wrong about United if its positive. I always hold my hand up & say i was wrong, so my opinion is just that - mine at the time.I admittedly thought Rojo looked a good player at the WC, but it just pained me to watch the Argie's with any sort of wow aspect, because they were so boring & defensive all the time. The flair has all but gone from the Argie's it seems, but Garay & Mascherano were the stand-out defensive unit of that team, a team that played like a team controlled by Mourinho's park-the-bus mantra & have defenders all over the pitch who have no instructions of how to score goals - apart from give it to Messi & he will score!
The Argie's won all their group games: Bosnia & Herzegovina (2-1), Iran (1-0) & Nigeria (3-2).
The best result the Argie's had, was that they all secretly won the Nigerian National Lottery - for a small $100k fee of course!
Benatia & Hummels would be our dream CB pairing to replace Rio & Vida. So why not throw £40m+ each to Dortmund & Roma for them? That us set if they accept!
Those lads would win us trophies in the same way the forwards would. Unbreakable at the back - lethal at the front!
Central Defence has won us as many games as the front-line has done during Fergie's reign & spending big - brings massive rewards if the right players are bought.
Money talks, so let the money talk Louie
feck me, a rabona clearance.
Now I've seen it all.
Now I've seen it all.
Not one iota of this has anything to do with Marcos Rojo. You didn't even elude to him in a roundabout way.Sorry man - what were you saying?
I understand your point about LvG alright man, but maybe if he'd bought some more superstars to fit into his system - then maybe he'd have won a helluva lot more at the clubs he's been at, dont you think?
He's already got top players like Rooney, Mata & Herrera dancing to his song - they were strangers to him at 1st, but they bought into his mantra same as RvP did with the national team.
I've said so many times on here; whats the point him buying good players & gettin an extra 10-15% out of them, when he could buy world-class players & get that an extra 10-15% or more, out of them instead?!
This whole Vermaelaen shit is f*ckin baffling too. I thought it was a joke when the rumours started. He's been a crock for 2 years now & the only sense i can make of it, is that a biased RvP told LvG to get his great buddy & said some shit like: "he's the hardest opponent i've ever faced" type of shite.
Van Gaal should have went for De Vrij instead of Verm - its a no-brainer. My guess is the only reason Barca went for him, was because we were & we're supposedly lookin for Rio & Vida replacements, so United must have known something that not even Arsenal knew about him. Maybe Verm is someway connected to the Sanchez deal too..
Regardless, atleast United told Wenger to f*ck off with their Smalling swap suggestion. That in itself tells a story too, given that the jury is very much out on Smalling's ability to play at the highest level & yet Wenger thought of him as a better player than his own Captain.
If the money's there to make us serious contenders for the title this season - feckin spend it on the best around & none of this Vermaelaen type of signing. We might aswell have kept Rio for Christ sake..
Not a rant at you either Rams. I just dont buy into agreeing with the manager, or the clubs decisions all the time
Thought he was average for Argentina at leftback at the world cup. However I know that his main role is CB and I've never seen him play the position so will reserve judgement on him as a CB. I did mention him as someone we could might look at as a left footed CB purely because he's built to play CB (athletic) and he's left footed. Would he be someone who calmly plays the ball out of the backline? I have no flipping clue.
Crazy
That Rabona clearance was fantastic. Would have him at Utd.
That Rabona clearance is just like an overhead clearance in FIFA; it just doesn't happen.
Sign him up Woody!
Sign him up Woody!
this is surely bullshit right?
He would be a great signing, but for a player that might be used as back up for Evans/Shaw, it would be quite the expensive back up. No buying into it.
One of the goods things that ARgentina showed this WC...
He would be a great signing, but for a player that might be used as back up for Evans/Shaw, it would be quite the expensive back up. No buying into it.
One of the goods things that ARgentina showed this WC...
Below, is where my reply came from. Rams made excellent points - of which i dug.
If you had of followed "The path of the posts"
you'd have seen what the above, but you probably did of course & you just want to have the craic?!As you know, i have a tendency to go off on one, but you weren't around for me to ask you for guidance brother on many a delicate situation.
You were probably out doin your usual (lame fancy-dress Yew sexual predator routine) - convincing sheep that they're anerosexual expedients of Bull-on-Sheep cross-copulation & convincing said flock, that it's not all a sexually fantasy - but(t) a way of existence instead... AGAIN
Sorry man - what were you saying?
I understand your point about LvG alright man, but maybe if he'd bought some more superstars to fit into his system - then maybe he'd have won a helluva lot more at the clubs he's been at, dont you think?
He's already got top players like Rooney, Mata & Herrera dancing to his song - they were strangers to him at 1st, but they bought into his mantra same as RvP did with the national team.
I've said so many times on here; whats the point him buying good players & gettin an extra 10-15% out of them, when he could buy world-class players & get that an extra 10-15% or more, out of them instead?!
This whole Vermaelaen shit is f*ckin baffling too. I thought it was a joke when the rumours started. He's been a crock for 2 years now & the only sense i can make of it, is that a biased RvP told LvG to get his great buddy & said some shit like: "he's the hardest opponent i've ever faced" type of shite.
Van Gaal should have went for De Vrij instead of Verm - its a no-brainer. My guess is the only reason Barca went for him, was because we were & we're supposedly lookin for Rio & Vida replacements, so United must have known something that not even Arsenal knew about him. Maybe Verm is someway connected to the Sanchez deal too..
Regardless, atleast United told Wenger to f*ck off with their Smalling swap suggestion. That in itself tells a story too, given that the jury is very much out on Smalling's ability to play at the highest level & yet Wenger thought of him as a better player than his own Captain.
If the money's there to make us serious contenders for the title this season - feckin spend it on the best around & none of this Vermaelaen type of signing. We might aswell have kept Rio for Christ sake..
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I don't even rate Blind as a top class player but I would have him over Rojo. Rojo looked a bit erratic at times.
The scouts must have watched him a few times while watching Carvalho.
But this is all based on an instagram follow???...
But this is all based on an instagram follow???...
The last three Argentinians we've had didn't stick around for long. One ended up at Chelsea, one at City, and one almost went to Liverpool.
Obviously this means feck all but I thought it is a bit interesting. We haven't been that lucky with Argentinians or Brazilians for some reason.
Obviously this means feck all but I thought it is a bit interesting. We haven't been that lucky with Argentinians or Brazilians for some reason.
He was a joke at Spartak Moscow for what I know. Though their defense is always ridiculous (Vidic aside), it's a tradition.
I remember Heinze being considered utter crap when he was at Sporting, and my Portuguese relatives were shocked we signed him. Worked out, and as you say, if their defence has always been crap he can't do much all on his own anyway.
How much do you know, the way you phrased it doesnt make it sound like you watched him much.
Thiago Silva played for dynamo and porto at a similiar age and looking at his wiki played 0 games.
I watch RFPL on a regular basis and read a lot as it's my country's league. So a lot, I'd say - I didn't follow Spartak through the season but I see them enough.
Thiago Silva was diagnosed with tuberculosis and didn't play because he was hospitalized for an insane amount of time. Not because he was a bad player.
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