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Wouldn't swap Martial for Messi...arguably(keyword arguably before you diehards get your panties wet) the greatest player to ever play the game?

The love for young talent these days over world class commodities is unbelievable. 0 sense of reality.
 
Obiorahking_ said:
Do you guys really rate Martial over Verratti?
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Fundamental rule of life: Love the one you're with.

Verratti is worth more, is the better player and the swap would be wholly sensible... But nobody would like to see Martial tearing defences apart for someone else.
 
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Obiorahking_ said:
Wouldn't swap Martial for Messi...arguably(keyword arguably before you diehards get your panties wet) the greatest player to ever play the game?

The love for young talent these days over world class commodities is unbelievable. 0 sense of reality.
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UnrelatedPsuedo said:
Fundamental rule of life: Love the one you're with.

Verratti is worth more, is the better player and the swap would be wholly sensible... But nobody would like to see Martial tearing defences apart for someone else.
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You are quite right. It would hurt me to see Martial on a different team, but it would hurt me even more so not see our teams opportunity for success maximized.
 
Obiorahking_ said:
Reus is not world class?
Hazard is not world class?
David Silva is not world class?
Ribery is not world class?
Sanchez is not world class?
Di Maria?

Then you have guys who are up and coming like Douglas Costa, Depay(lots of potential),Dimitri Payet, Lorenzo Insigne( and much more) who are potentially and have a very good chance of becoming world class players too. Can you say that about the CM position, the hardest and one of the most vital positions in the game? No you can't. Make sense now?
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On his day, when fit.
Last season although his return was about the same as Martial this year
Not for about 18 months.
Not for about 2 or 3 seasons.
Just below.
Nope.
 
Obiorahking_ said:
Reus is not world class?
Hazard is not world class?
David Silva is not world class?
Ribery is not world class?
Sanchez is not world class?
Di Maria?

Then you have guys who are up and coming like Douglas Costa, Depay(lots of potential),Dimitri Payet, Lorenzo Insigne( and much more) who are potentially and have a very good chance of becoming world class players too. Can you say that about the CM position, the hardest and one of the most vital positions in the game? No you can't. Make sense now?
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Hazard just had a really poor season. I like Reus a lot but his level of play has dropped since his injuries. David Silva also didn't have a very good season and is more of a number 10. Ribery isn't world class anymore, not even close. Sanchez is really good but suffers from consistency issues. Di Maria had a pretty good season for PSG but I wouldn't class him as world class either. After all, he also failed here at United.

Just like there are good wing prospects, there are plenty of good CM prospects out there. Renato Sanches, Joao Mario, Ruben Neves, Andre Gomes, Tielemans, Bazoer etc.

Also, Payet is 29, he isn't a up and coming prospect.
 
Pexbo said:
On his day, when fit.
Not for about 18 months.
Not for about 2 or 3 seasons.
Just below.
Nope.
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First off all what is your objective of incorrectly trying to contrast this list? Kind of redundant.

Hazard has been a dog since he started in Lile and not to mention was Premier League Player of the Year who led his team to a title.
David Silva is not world class? Please leave.Not for 2-3 seasons...by your logic Neymar isn't world class and neither is Bale?
Ribery is not world class? A Ballon D Or FINALIST? FINALIST? Are you kidding me?

Go away.
 
Obiorahking_ said:
Wouldn't swap Martial for Messi...arguably(keyword arguably before you diehards get your panties wet) the greatest player to ever play the game?

The love for young talent these days over world class commodities is unbelievable. 0 sense of reality.
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Huge difference between Messi and Verratti. Messi would transform any club team in the world into a perennial league winner and a strong CL contender every year. Verratti, as good as he is, isn't on that level. No one really is.
 
DarkXaero said:
Huge difference between Messi and Verratti. Messi would transform any club team in the world into a perennial league winner and a strong CL contender every year. Verratti, as good as he is, isn't on that level. No one really is.
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You are correct, unfortunately I never said anything about Verratti and Messi being on the same level.
 
Obiorahking_ said:
First off all what is your objective of incorrectly trying to contrast this list? Kind of redundant.

Hazard has been a dog since he started in Lile and not to mention was Premier League Player of the Year who led his team to a title.
David Silva is not world class? Please leave.Not for 2-3 seasons...by your logic Neymar isn't world class and neither is Bale?
Ribery is not world class? A Ballon D Or FINALIST? FINALIST? Are you kidding me?

Go away.
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If my opinion is redundant because it's my opinion, I don't think you understand life.
 
Hugely unpopular opinion, but I'd take Wilshere for 30million over Verratti for 60m or whatever silly number he'd cost.

Not saying that Arsenal would sell for that kind of figure but he'd definitely be 30-40m cheaper than Verratti. Mainly because only one of his legs ever seems to be working at any one time but there we go.
 
DarkXaero said:
Hazard just had a really poor season.
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Since when does 1 bad season ever make a player?
DarkXaero said:
I like Reus a lot but his level of play has dropped since his injuries.
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Very debatable, but I think he was an important factor in the revival of Dortmund this season. Fitness is his main problem, but last time I checked it is what you do on the pitch that counts?
DarkXaero said:
Ribery isn't world class anymore, not even close.
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Fitness is his main issue, whenever he plays he still puts up great performances. Bayern where really missing him in big games
DarkXaero said:
Di Maria had a pretty good season for PSG but I wouldn't class him as world class either. After all, he also failed here at United.
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A pretty good season? He is tied with Ozil for most league assists in 1 season. He has been a damn good player for Madrid aswell. How does failing at 1 club dictate his overall status as a player?
Those prospects you mentioned , bar Andre Gomes, are either not CM's or are too raw to be labelled as world class potential.

Me and you clearly differ in definition of world class, but my main point is that finding quality CM's nowadays are clearly much harder than acquiring quality wingers, which can easily be inferred due to the sheer difficulty and qualities the position entails.
 
Verratti is a decent player, but not for that price tag. He looks great in the ligue 1, but I doubt he'd have as much success in the PL. I know everyone hates this argument, but i'd rather have a physical/taller no. 6. Matic who's height is more comfortable for a no.6 would be far cheaper, and his skillsets are pretty equal to Verratti as far as dribbling, tackling, touch, and passing range goes.
 
Xeno said:
If PSG offered a straight swap for Martial, would you take it?
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Tough call. But the answer is no. Veratti is a great player and he can dictate a tempo, I won't compare him to Scholes since he reminds me a lot like Xavi. Xavi was considered to be the best Spanish midfielder in his generation. If Veratti is available then any giant clubs will try to sign him that's how good his potential is. But football is not just one tactic game. There are many ways to make a winning team without having the likes of Scholes or Xavi who can dictate a tempo.
Martial reminds me a lot like Henry or even Brazilian Ronaldo since he has amazing closed control dribble. Martial is attackers who can play left and up front. More versatile than Veratti. Attackers often cost more than centre mid. And there are not many option left to sign attackers who have both same quality and potential as Martial right now, if there is we won't have any issue to sign a right winger. So straight swap will be unfair in my eyes.
 
PSG must realise they can't keep him forever. He's won everything with them and with Ibra leaving his UCL chances have lowered.

The Premier League must be hugely appealing to him, especially under Mourinho alongside Ibra. While PSG are horrible to deal with, if he asks to move they may be open to it for a huge fee to help their FFP (or is that dead and buried?). Surely they don't want to deter future stars from moving to them by appearing to hold players against their wishes?
 
UnrelatedPsuedo said:
Hugely unpopular opinion, but I'd take Wilshere for 30million over Verratti for 60m or whatever silly number he'd cost.

Not saying that Arsenal would sell for that kind of figure but he'd definitely be 30-40m cheaper than Verratti. Mainly because only one of his legs ever seems to be working at any one time but there we go.
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If his legs weren't made toast then I'd agree, he seems hugely underrated, that doesn't help when Wenger insists on playing him as an attacking midifelder when he's clearly a deeplying play maker. But wouldn't go anywhere near him unless he sorts out his injury problems.
 
UnrelatedPsuedo said:
Hugely unpopular opinion, but I'd take Wilshere for 30million over Verratti for 60m or whatever silly number he'd cost.

Not saying that Arsenal would sell for that kind of figure but he'd definitely be 30-40m cheaper than Verratti. Mainly because only one of his legs ever seems to be working at any one time but there we go.
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The last time Wilshere played a full 90 minute game was 6 Leeds United manager before. Paying 30m for someone that is injured all the fecking time is a horrendous piece of business.

Footyislife said:
Verratti is a decent player, but not for that price tag. He looks great in the ligue 1, but I doubt he'd have as much success in the PL. I know everyone hates this argument, but i'd rather have a physical/taller no. 6. Matic who's height is more comfortable for a no.6 would be far cheaper, and his skillsets are pretty equal to Verratti as far as dribbling, tackling, touch, and passing range goes.
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Remember Scholes? I know he is not that successful in PL having only won the league 11 times but he is not that bad? His height and physicality is similar to Veratti's, even their tackling too.

This is football, not rugby, basketball or UFC. You don't need 11 brutes on the field. The most dominant team that club football had ever seen in recent years is powered by 2 "physically poor" midfielders in Xavi and Iniesta.
 
Obiorahking_ said:
Wouldn't swap Martial for Messi...arguably(keyword arguably before you diehards get your panties wet) the greatest player to ever play the game?

The love for young talent these days over world class commodities is unbelievable. 0 sense of reality.
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One of the most exciting young players in the world with 10 years of development over Messi who will start to decline in 3 or 4 years? Call me crazy but I get far more pleasure out of watching talents grow than bringing in world class players.

The thought of Martial in 2 or 3 seasons is what I get excited about in football.
 
Pexbo said:
PSG must realise they can't keep him forever. He's won everything with them and with Ibra leaving his UCL chances have lowered.

The Premier League must be hugely appealing to him, especially under Mourinho alongside Ibra. While PSG are horrible to deal with, if he asks to move they may be open to it for a huge fee to help their FFP (or is that dead and buried?). Surely they don't want to deter future stars from moving to them by appearing to hold players against their wishes?
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Is he making the right noises about wishing to leave? genuine question as haven't read much about the possibility of it happening.
 
People doubting Verratti's physique to play in the Prem.

Go back and watch how he bossed Chelsea's midfield in the 2014-2015 CL at the Bridge when PSG were down a man.

He'd be the best midfielder in the Prem.
 
AbusementPark said:
Is he making the right noises about wishing to leave? genuine question as haven't read much about the possibility of it happening.
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No. It's just some rumors that we want him and Mourinho is in touch with him to convince him to come here. Nothing more.
 
Footyislife said:
Verratti is a decent player, but not for that price tag. He looks great in the ligue 1, but I doubt he'd have as much success in the PL. I know everyone hates this argument, but i'd rather have a physical/taller no. 6. Matic who's height is more comfortable for a no.6 would be far cheaper, and his skillsets are pretty equal to Verratti as far as dribbling, tackling, touch, and passing range goes.
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The best #6 the PL has ever seen, and probably will ever see, is 5'6". The best midfielder in the league, by a distance last season, is 5'6".

You have to be the only person who thinks Matic has anything close to Verratti's ability in any of the aspects you mention. He'd be far cheaper because he's inferior by some margin.

This thing about height in midfield is that's it's probably the least important attribute in these modern times where smaller, more technical midfielders are dotted through the league.Fewer teams play in the air, or look to target short midfielder aerially because it's not a productive way to progress play and it has a larger chance of possession turnover than retention.

In the dying minutes of a game when lumping the ball upfield desperately becomes more prevalent, tactics for midfield as a whole change enough to negate height for the most part so it's not particularly important as an attribute as it was years ago.
 
Footyislife said:
Verratti is a decent player, but not for that price tag. He looks great in the ligue 1, but I doubt he'd have as much success in the PL. I know everyone hates this argument, but i'd rather have a physical/taller no. 6. Matic who's height is more comfortable for a no.6 would be far cheaper, and his skillsets are pretty equal to Verratti as far as dribbling, tackling, touch, and passing range goes.
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Arguably the best mid PL have seeen was just a short 5feet 6 inch guy named Scholes. Matic's skill set equal to Verrati ?? I dont know what game of football you are watching. Verrati dominated the entire Chlesea mid whenever they faced him and none of the chelsea mid could even get close to him.

He is best young CM out there. Its as simple as that. A warrior and a beast who will boss the mid for the whole 90 mins
 
Footyislife said:
Verratti is a decent player, but not for that price tag. He looks great in the ligue 1, but I doubt he'd have as much success in the PL. I know everyone hates this argument, but i'd rather have a physical/taller no. 6. Matic who's height is more comfortable for a no.6 would be far cheaper, and his skillsets are pretty equal to Verratti as far as dribbling, tackling, touch, and passing range goes.
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Bonkers post. The only thing Matic has is a height advantage. The fact that you state Matic's dribbling is even close makes it clear you barely watch him.
 
kenny19 said:
Aren't you the same guy who thinks coman is better than Martial? Now you would swap martial for konoplyanka. :confused:
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No, I don't think Coman is better than Martial, I think that they have the same level.

Now, if we didn't had Martial and if I had the choice between Verratti and Martial, I would choose Verratti because I believe that a player like Verratti is harder to find, Konoplyanka is a stretch.
 
Footyislife said:
Verratti is a decent player, but not for that price tag. He looks great in the ligue 1, but I doubt he'd have as much success in the PL. I know everyone hates this argument, but i'd rather have a physical/taller no. 6. Matic who's height is more comfortable for a no.6 would be far cheaper, and his skillsets are pretty equal to Verratti as far as dribbling, tackling, touch, and passing range goes.
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You can't be serious with these comments ? Matic is good at breaking play up and tackling but thats his limit, only think that might let Verratti down would be the physical side of the premiership but even that aint as much of a problem now, Scholes, Modric and even Kante are tiny and played CM with no real problem.
 
Been here 5yrs and the Caf still has a shock or 2 on offer from time to time.
 
Footyislife said:
Verratti is a decent player, but not for that price tag. He looks great in the ligue 1, but I doubt he'd have as much success in the PL. I know everyone hates this argument, but i'd rather have a physical/taller no. 6. Matic who's height is more comfortable for a no.6 would be far cheaper, and his skillsets are pretty equal to Verratti as far as dribbling, tackling, touch, and passing range goes.
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Are you high?
 
LennonNL said:
Don't you think Martial will be one of the best attacking players in the world in 3/4 years time?
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I do think he will become great in 3/4 years time, my point is that Verratti will likely become even greater playing in a harder and rarer position is all. I am very happy with either players tbh.
 
Pexbo said:
One of the most exciting young players in the world with 10 years of development over Messi who will start to decline in 3 or 4 years? Call me crazy but I get far more pleasure out of watching talents grow than bringing in world class players.

The thought of Martial in 2 or 3 seasons is what I get excited about in football.
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World class talent is a major vitality to winning championships, not with young talents. If you have a chance to grab Messi, you grab him and you don't look back. He is phenomenal talent who would transform our team for years to come.

Age is just a number, Zlatan has been balling out at the age of 34 and is just getting started(according to him).
 
Obiorahking_ said:
World class talent is a major vitality to winning championships, not with young talents. If you have a chance to grab Messi, you grab him and you don't look back. He is phenomenal talent who would transform our team for years to come.

Age is just a number, Zlatan has been balling out at the age of 34 and is just getting started(according to him).
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I'd rather watch Martial fulfil his story with us.
 
Pexbo said:
I'd rather watch Martial fulfil his story with us.
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What is the larger cause that we are all trying to achieve here? For us to become the best team in the world and to be competition with guys like Bayern, Barcelona, Madrid and etc..
What do you think can get us there and establish us Champions League contenders automatically
Martial or Messi?
 
I love Martial as much as anyone but it's fecking Messi ffs. The greatest player of all time playing for United is not an opportunity anyone with any sense passes up.
 
Footyislife said:
Verratti is a decent player, but not for that price tag. He looks great in the ligue 1, but I doubt he'd have as much success in the PL. I know everyone hates this argument, but i'd rather have a physical/taller no. 6. Matic who's height is more comfortable for a no.6 would be far cheaper, and his skillsets are pretty equal to Verratti as far as dribbling, tackling, touch, and passing range goes.
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Nah, he's dominated some of the best midfields in the UCL as well. I think you might just need to watch him a little more because he's not really a Matic replacement. Verratti is more of a CM than a DM and his technique (dribbling in tight spaces especially) is much better than you give him credit for.

He's always paired with Motta + Verratti and Matuidi iirc. So he should work well next to a DM like Matic.
 
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