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Balu said:
I doubt Reus has told Dortmund that he definitely won't extend his contract, so Dortmund pushing him to move abroad doesn't make much sense for them as long as there is a chance to keep him longterm. Also it really doesn't look like Reus wants to leave this summer, so throwing money at Dortmund is completely meaningless anyway, after all the player has to agree as well. Whatever Reus misses out on this season with lower wages, he can easily make up with a significantly bigger sign-on bonus if he moves next year for way less thanks to his release clause. There's no financial advantage for him and right now Dortmund is still a damn good team with a very good shot at trophies.
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Kallech33 said:
Spot on.
Why leave when it doesn't make financial sense and even less sense from a sporting perspective (at least it wouldn't make sense if he'd joined United).
At Dortmund he can compete for the Bundesliga and DFB-Cup in addition to playing in the CL.
If he'd go to United he would only compete for the FA-Cup and miss out on European football.

Still, I think he'll leave Dortmund next year if they miss out on trophies again. After all, he hasn't won anything in his career so far apart from Player of the Year in Germany with Gladbach.
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Do people really think Dortmund can compete with Bayern next season? The latter won the league by 19 points last season (they could have won it by more if they hadn't taken the foot of the pedal for the last few weeks) and should be even better this season while the loss of Lewandowski has weakened Dortmund. I would be shocked if Bayern win the league by less than 15 points. As for the CL it is hard to see anyone winning it outside of Barca, Real or Bayern. Therefore the only trophy I can see Dortmund possibly winning next season is the DFB based purely on the fact that anything can happen in knock-out competitions. Although we are in a bad state at the minute I believe we have a better chance of winning the PL (not that I think we will) than Dortmund have of winning the Bundesliga. The only thing we can't offer that Dortmund can is European football.

As for there being no financial advantage in him moving this summer I could see us paying him a huge wage regardless of how big his transfer fee is. After all there was a report yesterday saying that we are willing to buy Di Maria for £50 million and offer him a salary of £200,000 a week. We are simply that desperate that we would pay whatever it takes to sign a player like Reus (assuming we are interested that is).

By the way I'm not saying that I think he will move this summer. I just feel that to do so would make more sense than some people are suggesting. The most likely scenario is that he will move next summer and for the sake of the Bundesliga I really hope it isn't to Bayern.
 
Redo91 said:
Do people really think Dortmund can compete with Bayern next season?
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We don't have a midfield at all at the moment. Kroos is gone, Martinez is out injured for at least 6 months, Thiago and Schweinsteiger miss pre-season and the first few weeks of the season and god knows if they finally stay healthy for more than half a season. Add a few World Cup winners who might struggle with motivation after all that crazy success in the past 3 years and you could easily see many problems in our team. I highly doubt that we'll see a comparable run like we had in 12/13 and the first half of 13/14 ever again. The team is quality, no doubt, but the idea that we could easily replicate those insane records we broke during those 18 months, in the league and in the CL, is far-fetched in my opinion. I don't think we'll see any Bundesliga team getting near 90 points again for quite some time and Dortmund showed that they can play a 80+ point season and beat us directly, so who knows. If I had to guess, I'd say Bayern will finish the season between 80 and 85 points and Dortmund between 75 and 80 and it needs a few crazy results for Dortmund to change that and win the league.
 
Redo91 said:
Do people really think Dortmund can compete with Bayern next season? The latter won the league by 19 points last season (they could have won it by more if they hadn't taken the foot of the pedal for the last few weeks) and should be even better this season while the loss of Lewandowski has weakened Dortmund. I would be shocked if Bayern win the league by less than 15 points. As for the CL it is hard to see anyone winning it outside of Barca, Real or Bayern. Therefore the only trophy I can see Dortmund possibly winning next season is the DFB based purely on the fact that anything can happen in knock-out competitions. Although we are in a bad state at the minute I believe we have a better chance of winning the PL (not that I think we will) than Dortmund have of winning the Bundesliga. The only thing we can't offer that Dortmund can is European football.

As for there being no financial advantage in him moving this summer I could see us paying him a huge wage regardless of how big his transfer fee is. After all there was a report yesterday saying that we are willing to buy Di Maria for £50 million and offer him a salary of £200,000 a week. We are simply that desperate that we would pay whatever it takes to sign a player like Reus (assuming we are interested that is).

By the way I'm not saying that I think he will move this summer. I just feel that to do so would make more sense than some people are suggesting. The most likely scenario is that he will move next summer and for the sake of the Bundesliga I really hope it isn't to Bayern.
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I think Dortmund have a better chance of winning the league or keep it close than the last two years.
Bayern have injury problems in midfield at the moment and more important Bayern players went far in the WC than important Dortmund players.
Furthermore the players don't seem to be comfortable in Pep's system at the moment.
The trio of injuries, WC and system could give Dortmund an early advantage.

So, if Dortmund are able to capitalise on Bayerns current problems they could gain an early lead in the league and keep it if they don't fall prey to an injury disaster similar to last year.

Thus I'd say that Dortmund have a better chance than United because their only serious competitor Bayern have problems at the moment while United has to compete with Chelsea, City, Arsenal (who all improved IMO) and Liverpool (I'll reserve judgement on them until I've seen more than their first game against So'ton and how they cope with Cl football+league).

I expect United to get back in the Top4 maybe even finish 3rd (if both Liverpool and Arsenal have an average season) but I honestly see no chance at all to win it this year, because I can't see both City and Chelsea stumble.

As for the financial advantage:
If he waits one more year he'll be able to leave for his buy-out clause and there'll probably be a lot more clubs interested (=willing to buy him for the amount of his clause) in him.
Thus he has leverage to get a big signing bonus (IIRC they often lie in the region of a one year salary)
and higher wages.
So from a financial point of view it makes more sense to give up a few million this season for a signing bonus (which alone will be more than the money he loses this season if he stays at Dortmund) and possibly higher wages when he leaves next year.

Additionally Klopp seems to play him in his favourite central postion behind the striker this season intead of playing him on the left wing.

Overall I think it just makes more sense for Reus to wait one more year; see how things develope.
He can gain very little by leaving now but win big if he stays one more year.
 
Redo91 said:
Although we are in a bad state at the minute I believe we have a better chance of winning the PL (not that I think we will) than Dortmund have of winning the Bundesliga.
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No, just no. We are still the underdog but also clearly the second strongest team in Germany and are more than capable of punishing Bayern making mistakes. Our current squad is the deepest, most felxible and overall strongest Klopp ever had at his disposal, while Bayern is probably at their most vulnerable state since Winter 2012.

Losing Lewandowski did hurt us, but also gave us the opportunity to work on our tactical approach. He was a clear target point we played around. Now they are basically no fixed formations in the final third anymore, which clearly benefits Aubameyang and Mkhitaryan, who are also fully integrated now and show their full strength. Especially the latter will become a stand out player in the league barring injuries. These two coupled with the early return of Reus from injury will offer enough offensive fire power to give our new strikers the needed time to find their places in the team.

People often forget that we were neck on neck with Bayern until our whole first choice defensive organisation (whole backline and CM) disappeared in November. We would have not won the league but without this injury crisis which held until the end of the season we would have made them work harder for the title. Such a concentrated injury crisis is unlikely to repeat itself, but we still reacted to it and bolstered the squad. We signed the rather unknown Serbian Milos Jojic, who turned out to be a typical Klopp transfer and helped us a big deal in his first six months already. In this Summer we signed one of the biggest defense talents in Europe with Matthias Ginter as cover for our central defense, which allows us to field a strong CB pair in pretty much any situation. Outside transfers several players also developed nicely. FB Erik Durm made such a huge jump in his development that he made it into the German World Cup squad for Brazil and CM Oliver Kirch is simply a phenomenon who turned into a midfielder with a fine touch and pass at the age of 31.

I´m confident that we can start well into the season and go on a similar run as the beginning of the last season while being way better prepared for injuries. This is a squad, that includes five players who have 15+ goals in them and quality throughout the whole pitch. Like Balu said, this team is capable of playing a 80+ points season. It will depend on Bayern, if that will be enough for the title but we are certainly competive and still the sole serious threat to them.
 
What were his exact quotes? Some are reporting Real (Madrid) and Manchester (United) and some are reporting he said Manchester United. Did he refer to us or Man City?
 
Ok Woody, get started on your pursuit of Reus which means we should have our bid properly prepared and submitted sometime next summer!
 
Señor said:
Ok Woody, get started on your pursuit of Reus which means we should have our bid properly prepared and submitted sometime next summer!
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There can only be one bid next summer if we want to have a chance of signing him and this his release clause of £28m.
 
Well hopefully this means we'll go all out next summer, was always unrealistic for him to leave this summer. We need top 4 though I think.
 
He rejected a big money move? Does that mean we had something agreed with Dortmund?
 
LARulz said:
He rejected a big money move? Does that mean we had something agreed with Dortmund?
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Might just mean our attempts to tap him up were not well received.

Possibility 1: We reached out to Reus's agents first and they rejected the move, so we didn't speak to Dortmund and were going to pay the release clause, or were going to do the deal only if we could get him for a figure lower than the release clause.

Possibility 2: We informed Dortmund we were meeting the release clause or made a deal with them and we were contractually allowed to speak to/get a response from Reus's agents and they rejected the move either based on our wage offer or before we made a offer with a wage figure, they turned it down since he does't want to live in Manchester/not play in the CL/leave Dortmund/has his heart set on Madrid, Barca or Bayern.

Possibility 3: Atletico's President heard a rumour that wasn't true.
 
‘Look, he had an offer for a lot of money from Manchester United and he has not gone… we will not sign him with a lesser offer.’

That sounds like Dortmund rejected an offer, if one was even made, rather than him. But, I guess saying Reus snubbed us is a better headline.
 
I don't see why Reus would've wanted to move to United this summer anyway, so I don't think those questions really matter.
 
Cerezo was asked about that mad rumour that flew round last week that they were buying him for €27m and he basically said, of course not. He then said Manchester had offered a lot of money but had been turned down. So how could Atletico expect to get him.

Nothing about Reus turning us down. Just a lot of money being turned down.

http://www.marca.com/2014/08/19/fut...a9940b223090b9dc192613246a6c6e6e&t=1408516643
 
Pathetic how the ABUs in the media turn what was obviously Dortmund rejecting a bid into Reus rejecting a contract.

Glaringly obvious that Atletico's president was talking about transfer fees, not wages. And if we put a bid in that means Reus had already indicated to us that he was open to the move, because we wouldn't have bid without that information.

Morons pandering to morons.
 
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Balu said:
We don't have a midfield at all at the moment. Kroos is gone, Martinez is out injured for at least 6 months, Thiago and Schweinsteiger miss pre-season and the first few weeks of the season and god knows if they finally stay healthy for more than half a season. .
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so just
---------------Neuer-------------
Boatang---Dante--Badstuber---Alaba
--------------Lahm-------------
Ribery---Gotze---Muller---Robben
--------------Lewondowski------

I would certainly swap Lahm, Gotze, Muller, Robben, Ribery for Fletcher, Herrera, Mata, valencia, Janauzaj,
 
sun_tzu said:
so just
---------------Neuer-------------
Boatang---Dante--Badstuber---Alaba
--------------Lahm-------------
Ribery---Gotze---Muller---Robben
--------------Lewondowski------

I would certainly swap Lahm, Gotze, Muller, Robben, Ribery for Fletcher, Herrera, Mata, valencia, Janauzaj,
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Fair enough, we have a fullback who is quite good as a DM, a versatile forward/winger and an AM, who can form some sort of 3 man midfield. Don't think that's comparable to a strong central midfield though. That midfield clearly lacks balance and is nowhere near good enough to win the league against Dortmund. If Bernat improves and plays leftback, we have Alaba as an box to box option in midfield and Rode looked quite good in pre-season, so there's hope that we get by. But it's of course a clear drop in quality in comparison to our 3 injured options (Thiago, Martinez, Schweinsteiger) and looks kinda make-shift and not natural at all.
 
Balu said:
Fair enough, we have a fullback who is quite good as a DM, a versatile forward/winger and an AM, who can form some sort of 3 man midfield. Don't think that's comparable to a strong central midfield though. That midfield clearly lacks balance and is nowhere near good enough to win the league against Dortmund. If Bernat improves and plays leftback, we have Alaba as an box to box option in midfield and Rode looked quite good in pre-season, so there's hope that we get by. But it's of course a clear drop in quality in comparison to our 3 injured options (Thiago, Martinez, Schweinsteiger) and looks kinda make-shift and not natural at all.
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yeah... still looks better than ours though - afterall its not like you are scrambling to try and sign anderson cleverly or fellaini - as I say I would happily swap with you (and when thiago and schweinstiger are back which should only be a few weeks then you will again be untouchable in the bl)
 
Invictus said:
FFS let us dream you heartless Bavarian After the shitty reign of terror in 2013/ 2014 that's the least we deserve.. :(
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Haha. Okok. We will see. Our chances could be neither that high.

To the Bayern midfield; we will play a 3 men defense and Alaba will be an 6er option. Thiago said that he will come back in september. Add to that a great talent like Højbjerg and a Gaudino who will get some time and we are good.
 
Best we can do is play a good style of football this season and get back up with the top clubs in the CL and hope that we can impress him while also throwing a pile of cash at him to join next Summer. He's good enough that he'll have his choice of clubs though, he won't want to spend a few years as part of a rebuilding process here if we're too slow improving.
 
Januzaj, Reus and Di Maria behind Rooney would get us back to the top.
 
Next summer when his buyout clause becomes active we really need to make a serious move for him. Dortmund won't sell him this summer but it can't hurt to at least let his agent know that we are very interested in him that is of course if we really are but if we aren't that would be a real shame.
 
If his buyout is £25m next season and there is no way he is moving until then, we should look to buy him for whatever it takes this season with a season long loan back to Dortmund just to secure his signature.

If he's worried about Champions League, we should agree a deal that if we bought him for £35m from Dortmund this season, should we fail to make Champions League next year he has a buyout clause with us for the same price.

Nothing to lose for any party and Dortmund get £10m or whatever extra for him.
 
Pexbo said:
If his buyout is £25m next season and there is no way he is moving until then, we should look to buy him for whatever it takes this season with a season long loan back to Dortmund just to secure his signature.

If he's worried about Champions League, we should agree a deal that if we bought him for £35m from Dortmund this season, should we fail to make Champions League next year he has a buyout clause with us for the same price.

Nothing to lose for any party and Dortmund get £10m or whatever extra for him.
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I'd like that.
 
Pexbo said:
If his buyout is £25m next season and there is no way he is moving until then, we should look to buy him for whatever it takes this season with a season long loan back to Dortmund just to secure his signature.

If he's worried about Champions League, we should agree a deal that if we bought him for £35m from Dortmund this season, should we fail to make Champions League next year he has a buyout clause with us for the same price.

Nothing to lose for any party and Dortmund get £10m or whatever extra for him.
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But realistically it will take an obscene offer in the ballpark of £50-55 million for Dortmund to even consider such a transfer. Wouldn't it make more sense to tap him up during the course of the season and give Reus a £10 - 15 million signing bonus if he commits his future to United ? That's effectively like €250,000 - 350,000 per week free wages for one whole year for Reus and brings the total upto £20 million for buyout clause + £10 - 15 million = £30 - 35 million and an effective saving of about £15 - 20 million which could be used to sign another midfield/ defensive player. I'm given to understand this is what Bayern did with Lewandowski with a guaranteed £10 million signing bonus as a gesture of goodwill for committing to the club.
 
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