He is having excellent game(altough not great season), scored two and set up few clear chances. If Bale is worth €100m than he is worth twice.
Marco Reus
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He is one of my favourite players outside of United. He seems to do it effrotlessly. Would have him over Bale to be honest.
Same, probably my favourite player currently not bosnian or a united player. He's brilliant. Was saying I'd take him over bale last season too, he's just a smarter player and overall better IMO. Provides more to the overall game and build up play.
Big call that.
Bale had the ability to win a gave from nothing. Looks unplayable at the with his speed and physical strength.
I do like Reus though. A smart player m, could be a star in the PL. Hope the suggestions that we're interested are true.
Such a great footballer. He's now truly a world class footballer.
Meh, not really that big of a call considering I've watched both plenty of times. Bale scored plenty of shots from range to win the game, but more often then not was pretty quiet otherwise. He's a top class player no doubt, but reus scored only a few goals less, similar number of assists but provides far more in the build up. Both are obviously top class, I just think reus has that bit of extra intelligence that puts him a bit above bale for me. Bale relies on his pace and strength mostly.
Don't think there's any chance we'll get him though. He has a buyout clause that becomes active next summer, so earliest is 2015, even then there's no guarantee he'll want to leave his boyhood club.
Bale has got that ability to score the spectacular and do something out of nothing but Reus overall game is on a different level to Bale.
His passing is far better, better ball control & retention in tight spaces which is a real weakness for Bale, better appreciation of play around him, very efficient at pressing and winning the ball back. Bale has that X Factor about him though, more likely to dribble and smack one in from 35 yards.
Bale is a great talent but for Real Madrid while his numbers look good some of those games have passed him by without him being involved much at all.
Bale is a great talent but for Real Madrid while his numbers look good some of those games have passed him by without him being involved much at all.
I actually think Reus and Bale are on a similar level, Bale with the potentially higher ceiling.
However Reus will cost € 35m in 2015, while Bale cost almost thrice as much. So whoever is going to sign Reus, and the probability of a transfer is high since he rejected several BVB offers to remove his buyout clause for huge amounts of cash, is going to make by far the better deal.
However Reus will cost € 35m in 2015, while Bale cost almost thrice as much. So whoever is going to sign Reus, and the probability of a transfer is high since he rejected several BVB offers to remove his buyout clause for huge amounts of cash, is going to make by far the better deal.
Bloody hell.
Source for that? I only know of one offer (no reliable source cited a clear sum AFAIK) made in fall and the last status as of January was that they were in talks.
Reus would be stupid to get rid of the clause before the WC, because he can rise his own value significantly there. If he signs a new contract, it will be next season and the last Dortmund offer won´t certainly be the last. They will go to the limit for him and he probably knows that. If that will be enough for him remains to be seen.
Well there were at least two attempts of that I'm sure, because some time after the lost CL final in Wembley, Watzke called it their 'first and most important order of business to buy off the exit clause out of Marco Reus' contract'. Much later there was the media report about the rejected offer which you mentioned. Common sense dictates that BVB was repeatedly trying their very best to convince Reus, but failed.
Admittedly there is a chance that Reus is simply preferring to keep his options and observe BVB's further development. In general it's not normal to pass on serious money though. Usually it's a very bad sign.
Thought he was fantastic today against Madrid. Really pushed Dortmund all the way and on another day it would have seen them through.
Reus is a Silva level gifted player who wouldn't look out of place in any team, whereas although Bale's numbers are good he is technically several levels below Reus.
His game against Real Madrid was very convincing, but he's not on Silva's level technically. Every time BVB is forced into possession based football in the Bundesliga the likelihood of Marco Reus becoming invisible increases drastically. He's the ideal reactive, counter-attacking player, arguably one of the very best in the world, but he's not perfect.
Well noone is perfect and he is also only 24, all aspects of his game will only improve in the next couple of years. Skill wise he is as good as most of the top players bar very few like Iniesta.
Craig Noone is 26 and not really that skillful.
Haha! Poor guy actually with that name.
funny what one game can change. I remember Dortmund fans werent that pleased with his performance for most of the season. Anyway. He is not a "build up" player or playmaker in any case. He is very direct and very strong on the counter. Reus and Bale offer more or less the same for a team even so they execute a little different. Reus might be slightly better in tight space (not even sure about that) and his decision making is better, while Bale is the better athlete, dribbler, faster and with a better shot.
Bale is the better player, but not by much. Its not really his fault, that Real paid stupid amounts of money, while not really needing him.
Bale is the better player, but not by much. Its not really his fault, that Real paid stupid amounts of money, while not really needing him.
Bale really isn't better dribbler, let alone player. If you count dribbling as kicking the ball and then outpacing your opponent then Antonio Valencia used to be best dribbler in the world.
Reus' technique, passing is on another level to Bale and passing isn't even one of his better aspects.
Bale was kept pretty quiet by Durm tonight and that's saying something. And comparing Bale's match winning performances against the likes of Southampton is clearly not even close to Reus's beating the likes of Real Madrid and Bayern on his own in a much weaker team.
You look at how many chances he created last night, against clearly superior side, and that 2 goals he scored, Bale simply isn't capable of doing that.
Pretty much difference between the two sides was Reus running the show on one side, and Bale struggling with first touch on other.
Reus' technique, passing is on another level to Bale and passing isn't even one of his better aspects.
Bale was kept pretty quiet by Durm tonight and that's saying something. And comparing Bale's match winning performances against the likes of Southampton is clearly not even close to Reus's beating the likes of Real Madrid and Bayern on his own in a much weaker team.
You look at how many chances he created last night, against clearly superior side, and that 2 goals he scored, Bale simply isn't capable of doing that.
Pretty much difference between the two sides was Reus running the show on one side, and Bale struggling with first touch on other.
I said in the summer, that Reus' last season for Gladbach was on the same level as Bale's last season at Tottenham. He was absolutely stunning and his overall game significantly improved since he joined Dortmund. His season is a bit underrated, imo. He was brilliant in the beginning for Dortmund when they had the best start to a season in the history of the club and when injuries hit them hard, he tried to carry the team on his own but at one point, it was obvious that fatigue and frustration set in. They started with the goal to fight for the league, even if they denied it in the beginning and when they fell behind, he had a few bad weeks. Still, whenever Dortmund has great performances this season, he's at the heart of it and not only with a few brilliant moments, but with his overall attacking play. I'd have him over Bale any day of the week, as a player in general but also as a matchwinner against better teams. At his best, he's the best German attacking player at the moment ahead of Müller, Götze, Özil, Kroos. Draxler has a long way to go, if he wants to start ahead of him on the left for Germany.
In almost every way?
Bale's shooting, physical attributes and goalscoring instincts are better but reus is better in the other areas.
How are you not sure about that? He'd quite clearly better in tight spaces if you've watched the two enough. He's also a better dribbler. Bale usually gets past his man due to pace and physicality alone, which is why he's struggled is seasons for madrid when teams have pressed and cut out the spaces.
So after a round of second leg Champions League games the CAF has deduced that Reus is easily superior to Bale and that Cavani is crap.
Who said that football fans are reactionary?
Who said that football fans are reactionary?
No, there are some ppl who have been watching Reus for years in the Bundesliga and some who have been wanting him at United for ages.
United wanting Reus is a no brainer. He is far superior to anything that we have in his position.
There seems to be a bizarre CAF agenda against Bale though. Probably because of Glaston, that he is British and that he plays for Madrid. I have watched Reus many times as I have Bale. I don't really see how Reus can be pegged as a superior player to Bale on the evidence witnessed so far.
There seems to be a bizarre CAF agenda against Bale though. Probably because of Glaston, that he is British and that he plays for Madrid. I have watched Reus many times as I have Bale. I don't really see how Reus can be pegged as a superior player to Bale on the evidence witnessed so far.
He's class, but I'd definitely rather have Bale.
I think him and Götze make perfect pair(one on the left/right and other through the middle behind the striker), You should get him too.
Germany has some serious talent in their hands, it's funny when you see some players like Müller or Özil that will probably end up fighting for starting spot.
Some people never rated Bale higher than Reus in first place. As for Cavani, I agree that it is quite funny how people find him shit after one game.
That's a bit simplistic. Maybe they felt he was better anyway? He's one of the best wide attackers around either way.
I think it's a tough comparison. If I was pushed to choose I'd probably go with reus. Bald will always get you more goals but I just don't have much faith in his all round game. Reus is capable of putting up great numbers and generally tormenting defenders, a bit like hazard.
If rumours and ITK's are to be believed, he is Barca bound. Unless he wants leave this summer and this transfer ban changes his mind. He is one of the best wingers out there and has potential to become even better. I really like this fella.
Both have 5 goals in 9 games in the CL, both have 13 goals in the league (Reus in 25 games, Bale in 24 games). It's funny that Bale's season is seen as a success while Reus' is seen as overall not so good
. With the exception of last season, Reus matches Bale's numbers, often surpasses them.Where others criticize him too much, you on the other hand are romanticizing the season of Marco Reus a fair bit. Dortmund had the easiest possible start to the Bundesliga season and as soon as the tougher match-ups appeared, especially tactically disciplined and defensive opponents, Marco Reus was nowhere near as effective.
It was Robert Lewandowski who was at the heart of every decisive Champions League and Bundesliga performance in November and December. I recall very well how Robert Lewandowski created all three major chances of Marco Reus against Bayern München. Then again we could observe Marco Reus with rising form after the winter break against the easiest opponents in the Bundesliga and a very varying performances ever since.
Fatigue certainly plays a role, but you cannot deny his lack of effectiveness against defensive and tactically disciplined opponents. At heart he is a reactive and counter-attacking player who excels in open space, the set-up against a team like Real Madrid is simply perfect for his game.
So I find it hard to accept your assessment of Marco Reus as Germany's best attacking player. For me there's too much of a generalization involved.
Fair enough. I didn't want to paint Reus as a brilliant playmaker, that wasn't the point, he's still a winger/wide forward, but his playmaking is definitely better than Bale's. I'd say that Dortmund's performances suffered more from injuries than from better opponents, but we will never know for sure, the season is basically played out. All attacking players look better in open games than against teams defending deep, don't think that proves anything. In general you can't say that Reus didn't perform effectively against the better teams in the last 3 years though, that would be ridiculous.
Madrid are not ''clearly superior'' to Dortmund no matter how ''flavour of the month'' players Perez signs every summer. Even without so many starters, Dortmund proved yesterday that on their day they're capable of humiliating every single club. Dortmund are on par with the best clubs in Europe and I'd have had them as favorites to win the tournament if Gundogan and co. were available.
I don't get the constant overhyping of Madrid. They have been shit against the better teams this season except for that win against Atletico in the Copa del Rey. Their defense is shit as well and that has been the case for many years now.
Madrid might have better players on paper but as a team they're far from the best.
I agree, If you find my previous posts on Madrid I think you would realise we have pretty much same opinion on them.
Why I am mentioning them being superior is because they obviously have better individuals, more stars, are creating more chances for their strikers, so I think it's quite easier to look good in that Real Madrid team(at least statistically wise, it's always about the stats with them), then it is in this Dortmund team, especially with so many injuries. Looking at Dortmund you admire their team play, team set up, pressing, style of play, but with Real Madrid it's always about the individual performances, and one of difference between the two teams is the difference between Bale and Reus IMO. One of them is involved in the game all the time, scoring, creating chances for his teammates and the other one is the most quiet player on the pitch who can win you game, but if he doesn't, he'll end up as one of the worst players on the pitch.
Reus, Gotze and/or Kroos ..... and we're only in April ! I think I'll hibernate during the summer transfer window
(popping out for the odd world cup game of course!)
(popping out for the odd world cup game of course!)
That ball he played into Lewandowski for his rebound second goals was just beautiful. If only our wingers had the ability to do that as well as our key play-a-makers.