Manutd ideal buys

Originally posted by devilish:
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You wanted to know about Cantona’s ability to create chances out of nothing and I had answered you by telling you to watch the Charity Shield game against Newcastle a few years ago (sorry don’t know the exact date because Im bad on that)

Yes Cantona was the driving force behind the double double team. His class and creativity was the major force why we won the double double with a bunch of promising kids. I don’t know why you are laughing, after all this phrase was repeated by half of the Fergie babes include Scholes and Beckham

Now returning on Sheringham and Yorke

Yorke had the class and the positioning of a real link man. His technique permitted him to stay deep while his vision and positioning made him able to score loads of goals. Yorke was a typical link man whom communication with Cole permitted him to swap position with the English striker and sent the markers into chaos. This “change of roles” would have given you the impression that we had two main strikers (this thanks also to Coley’s hard work and altruism) but the truth was that Yorke was the link man and Cole the main striker.

On the other hand Sheringham was one of a kind. He didn’t need technique or pace just because he left his brains do the work but deep down he was also a link man in the sense that he was always at the strikers back, opening him options where to score

Looking back SAF had always worked with a link man. That is why he is desperate to find one now.</strong><hr></blockquote>

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Originally posted by Devilish:
<strong>Manutd ideal buys.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Not 30 yr old journeyman Tomas Christiansen of nothing Bundesliga team Vfl Bochum and currently coveted by equally nothingy Hannover 96.
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Originally posted by An Extremely Boring Man:
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It's just blurb from Devilish. His new 'thing' is this 'linkman' concept...

Let him rumble on...</strong><hr></blockquote>

yes and Pally was a Speedy Gonzalez wasnt he?
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Originally posted by Dans:
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Not 30 yr old journeyman Tomas Christiansen of nothing Bundesliga team Vfl Bochum and currently coveted by equally nothingy Hannover 96.</strong><hr></blockquote>

You still dont get it do you Dans, if we need a 3rd/4th choice forward, just in case of injury to Ruud and Solskjaer, because we do not want to spend lots of money for a player sat on the bench because we play 4-5-1, and we need the money to strengthen other areas such as the wing, and the defence, and the goalkeeper, at 2m for a short term 2yr contract, signing this seasons Bundesliga golden boot winner for 2m or less is surely not a bad thing to do. We've not got a bottomless pit of cash you know. It's a stop gap backup FFS!

You have also said you don't like the linkman idea, so that means you want to sign a 4th traditional forward, yet you dont say who you prefer and how much that will cost.
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Originally posted by Dans:
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30 yr old journeyman Tomas Christiansen of nothing Bundesliga team Vfl Bochum and currently coveted by equally nothingy Hannover 96.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Can he play as link man? Or slink man? If not, there is another German who must be the ideal player for devilish:

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Thomas Linke(man) <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />
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Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
<strong>You have also said you don't like the linkman idea, so that means you want to sign a 4th traditional forward, yet you dont say who you prefer and how much that will cost.</strong><hr></blockquote>

You're doing that thing you said in another thread that people shouldn't do.

Why does it mean that because I don't believe we need a dedicated link man we need a 4th traditional forward instead? Where, Waste, where?
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Originally posted by Dans:
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You're doing that thing you said in another thread that people shouldn't do.

Why does it mean that because I don't believe we need a dedicated link man we need a 4th traditional forward instead? Where, Waste, where?</strong><hr></blockquote>

So you are happy to carry on with three centre forwards are you? I just thought it was logical that in the case of losing Ruud or Solskjaer, it would make sense even to you that somebody must be there to play their role or sit on the bench to substitue Forlan? :confused:

When before in our history have we gone for more than a season with only 3 centre forwards? It's surely an obvious requirement if only for insurance, and you dont go paying 10-15m for a player to sit on his arse for the majority of the time do you?
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Well assuming that the manager is unhappy with Forlan as you suggest then your logic dictates that we would need 2 new strikers. Furthermore the manager might even be thinking about a long term replacement for Ole Gunnar in which case we need 3 new strikers :eek:
 
Originally posted by Dans:
<strong>Well assuming that the manager is unhappy with Forlan as you suggest then your logic dictates that we would need 2 new strikers. Furthermore the manager might even be thinking about a long term replacement for Ole Gunnar in which case we need 3 new strikers :eek: </strong><hr></blockquote>

Who said that he was unhappy with Forlan? And why buy a replacement for Solskjaer now? When the hell has he ever gone and bought a replacement for a specific centre forward years before? :confused:

The point is Dans that for next season whe have the following centre forward options: Ruud, Solskajer, Forlan - in that order. Now, if one or two of those get injured, or combination of injury/suspension, you are left looking extreamly thin.

The Ronaldinho link-man idea wouldn't solve this either, because Ruud is probably the only one of the three we currently have that is capable of scoring so many when playing on his own, so if out, even though Solskjaer is a quality player, we would still look a bit thin. We are currently far too reliant on Ruud, and if he was injured would probably move back to play the 4-4-2. In such a case, we could only currently play Solskjaer and Forlan, with nobody sat on the bench.

So, what do you do? Surely it's sense to have a little bit of insurance? I'm only putting Christiansen foward as an option for the position, and have been doing for a while, because 21 goals this season in the Bundesliga is not bad. There are others: we could get Kevin Phillips, we could get James Beatie, we could get Cisse, we could get Shevchenko.......... etc. All have different price ranges however, and different egos.
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And it's a fair point you make. We still won't be touching Tomas with a barge pole though mate. Ronaldinho whatever you think of him would solve all our problems actually given Fergusons' propensity for employing Giggs as a centre forward on occasion.
 
Originally posted by devilish:
[QB]When Manchester United will roam again the transfer market they should search wisely for good players who are able to play equally well in several positions adding class but also versatility to our team.

I think that we need 4 players

A) Rustu: If Barthez leaves OT we will surely need a charismatic world class keeper and Rustu fits the bill. The charismatic Turkish international is good on air and is a commanding figure in the Turkish defense. SAF wanted him last year and will surely be interested to the Turkish leader, once he leaves his club

RUstu is good but he's over the age we expected from a new goolie.What about trying Tim Howard?Maybe he will be as good as,or even better than Friedal since ppl say he's very consistent and talented,and young.
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btw that's Tomas Christiansen who was today sensationally linked with 2013 CL contender Hannover 96.
 
Originally posted by Dans:
<strong>Ronaldinho whatever you think of him would solve all our problems actually given Fergusons' propensity for employing Giggs as a centre forward on occasion.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I think that he's an outstanding talent, but many wouldn't touch him with a bargepole either.
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Originally posted by Dans:
<strong>btw that's Tomas Christiansen who was today sensationally linked with 2013 CL contender Hannover 96.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yes, probably as thier first choice stiker. He's also been linked with several 1st division Spanish clubs also for a first 11 role. I'm thowing a 21 goal a season less than 2m quid player into the hat as a possibile 3rd/4th choice backup.
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The point about Ronaldinho is that he's a player who can play on the left or up front. He would kill two birds with one stone - I'm talking football alone here not his social life.
 
Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
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Yes, probably as thier first choice stiker. He's also been linked with several 1st division Spanish clubs also for a first 11 role. I'm thowing a 21 goal a season less than 2m quid player into the hat as a possibile 3rd/4th choice backup.</strong><hr></blockquote>

You throw him in. It ain't gonna happen. I'll wager money on it if necessary.
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Originally posted by Dans:
<strong>The point about Ronaldinho is that he's a player who can play on the left or up front. He would kill two birds with one stone - I'm talking football alone here not his social life.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yes, he's a quality talent, I do not deny it. Would he be happy warming the bench?
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Kewell is another player who could play both roles. Give me Harry bloody convict Kewell over Tomas No-man Christiansen any day.
 
Originally posted by uranushk1:
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So you want to make our defence even younger, when Fergie has already pubicly said that we lack experience at the back :rolleyes:

IMO we can go for potential in any position except the GK. We need a finish product, a very secure and confident GK in front of our own net. I'd rather we keep Barthez if we can't sign someone who is a proven world class performer.</strong><hr></blockquote>

We face the lake-experience problem because our Rio has not yet suits him self in the Man Utd strategy.Blanc who play as our start 2 seasons ago had corrupted our defence,Wes's confidence was very down at that time cause by the Blanc performance on the field.And now Rio and him had slowly built an crucial defence at the back line.We r no longer lack of experience,just looking from the better and more professional performance from Rio in the next season.It's important that we now need a young goolie!
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Originally posted by Dans:
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You throw him in. It ain't gonna happen. I'll wager money on it if necessary.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Let's see! SAF has made stranger signings before.
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Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
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Let's see! SAF has made stranger signings before.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Such as?
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Originally posted by Dans:
<strong>Kewell is another player who could play both roles. Give me Harry bloody convict Kewell over Tomas No-man Christiansen any day.</strong><hr></blockquote>

It's all well and good saying that, but would he be happy warming the bench?
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Originally posted by Dans:
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I'll give you Milne.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Graeme Tomlinson, James Jowsey, Tony Coton, Andy Goram, Erik Nevland. ;)
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Originally posted by An Extremely Boring Man:
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Feck off - Superstar was a very logical signing

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he was when we brought him. Unfortunately he got injury prone just after signing an endless contract
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Originally posted by An Extremely Boring Man:
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Feck off - Superstar was a very logical signing

;) </strong><hr></blockquote>

1.4m 1994 money and about 10m in wages later he's released after playing about 20 hours in 9 years - great business. <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />
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Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
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Graeme Tomlinson, James Jowsey, Tony Coton, Andy Goram, Erik Nevland. ;) </strong><hr></blockquote>

See? Why sign Christiansen? Makes no sense.
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Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
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1.4m 1994 money and about 10m in wages later he's released after playing about 20 hours in 9 years - great business. <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

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Don't think we've paid him more than £5m in wages over the 9 years though...
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Originally posted by Dans:
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See? Why sign Christiansen? Makes no sense.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Because it is a short term inexpensive stopgap to add insurance to the part of our game that least needs strengthening in terms of first or second choice quality. Spend the big money where it is really needed. We can get our Cisse or whoever next closed season.
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Originally posted by An Extremely Boring Man:
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And Mal was shite and all!</strong><hr></blockquote>

Donaghy should have been a good signing. He didn't play that badly for us I don't think and certainly doesn't deserve to be compared with Ralph Milne, nor Thomas Christiansen for that matter.
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Originally posted by Dans:
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Donaghy should have been a good signing. He didn't play that badly for us I don't think and certainly doesn't deserve to be compared with Ralph Milne, nor Thomas Christiansen for that matter.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I know feck all about this Christiansen fella

But Mal was shite ;)
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Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
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Because it is a short term inexpensive stopgap to add insurance to the part of our game that least needs strengthening in terms of first or second choice quality. Spend the big money where it is really needed. We can get our Cisse or whoever next closed season.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Then play a youngster instead.
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Originally posted by Zheng Khai Xiang:
<strong>Blanc who play as our start 2 seasons ago had corrupted our defence</strong><hr></blockquote>

Are you devilish is disguise? <img src="graemlins/houllier.gif" border="0" alt="[Houllier]" />
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