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devilish

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When Manchester United will roam again the transfer market they should search wisely for good players who are able to play equally well in several positions adding class but also versatility to our team.

I think that we need 4 players

A) Rustu: If Barthez leaves OT we will surely need a charismatic world class keeper and Rustu fits the bill. The charismatic Turkish international is good on air and is a commanding figure in the Turkish defense. SAF wanted him last year and will surely be interested to the Turkish leader, once he leaves his club

B) Kaladze: He may not have the reputation of a Thuram but the Georgian international is tough, reliable and able to play equally well as a central back, left back or as a defensive midfielder. He likes to sit back and would be an ideal partner for a more attacking minded Rio.

C) Kewell: was one of the few stars that shined in the cloudy Leeds sky. Kewell is a jewel, techniqually gifted and equally versatile. He would be an ideal cover/competitor/successor for Giggs, Scholes and can play equally well as a link man. 7M is a bargain for a star once quoted over the 20m barrier


d) Ronaldinho: Still has loads to learn and yet no one has the raw talent and creativity of the Brazilian international. He ripped single handed the English defense and would add unpredictability and magic to our forward line.
Also he can play as an attacking midfielder and a left winger
 
Rustu: Not a fan at all, extreamly over rated and can do way way better, there are far better options that need to be persued, ie, Robinson, Howard, Cech etc etc. Personally for me it is the young genius Paul Robinson.

Kaladze: Never heard of him myself, im not one to put down such a player although im sure there must be better choices, for example Mexes?

Kewell: Could not agree more, extreamly talented, versatile, creative sheer brilliance. could play the hole, left wing or up front. A must have IMO.

Ronaldinho: I have my reservations about him, like i said often could be either a massive hit or an expensive mistake. Cant see him and Kewell being bought as they are similar in alot of ways, I would prefer to see Kewell and a striker come in myself but there will be no complaints should we buy Ronny.
 
Keeper: Howard or Robinson
I'd prefer someone young so they can form a defensive partnership that will stay together for the next 10 years

Defence: Fine, leave it alone

Midfield: Fine, leave it alone

Support Striker: Ronaldinho or Kewell

:D
All we need to sustain our grip on the Prem and to regain the Champions League
 
Originally posted by Jason F:
<strong>Kaladze: Never heard of him myself, im not one to put down such a player although im sure there must be better choices, for example Mexes?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Mexes is a very good talent, but he's also young and if we're going to add to the defence we need some experience. He doesn't have it.

Kaladze is on the other hand a very good player who obviously has more experience, having played for Dinamo Kiev in the CL and in the last two or three years for Milan. But how much has he played centerhalf recently? A bit like O'Shea really, seems a waste to spend his attacking talents by playing as a centerhalf.
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Kaladze plays with AC Milan. He is a sort of unsung hero at San Siro but had covered extremely well both the central back (making a great tandem with Costacurta), Defensive midfield (keeping Gattuso and Ambrosini on the bench) to settle on the left back, making his, the flank left by Maldini (who now plays as central back)
 
Originally posted by Jason F:
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Kaladze: Never heard of him myself, im not one to put down such a player although im sure there must be better choices, for example Mexes?
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Jason, you obviously spend more time reading this forum than watching football.
Quick reminder on Kaladze:
1. Plays for AC Milan (see this wednesday)
2. Brother was kidnapped 18 months ago in Georgia (and hasn't been seen since) - made worldwide news.

Very good player, but no chance of us getting him Devlish. Milan don't sell their best players.
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What first impressed me about Kaladze was his versatility and ability to mould himself to every manager’s need. (From the attacking minded Terim, to the defensive minded Zaccheroni to the unpredictability of Ancelotti.) But that characteristic is not the only good thing that Kaladze has.

He is a sort of an old type of defender (not flashy skills but determinated and solid at the back), giving his all without ever complaining. He had endured several tactical changes (From central back to defensive midfielder to left back) but he had always given his best without ever moaning even when he was ordered to sit on the bench and act as a squad member. This attitude had earned him respect from several coaches who had lead AC Milan

Whoever has Kaladze is sure that the guy will give his 101% no matter what happens. A classic example was when he played in a heavy injured AC Milan despite being given the permission by the club to leave Italy and go and search for his kidnapped brother.

Milan would be reluctant to sell him and yet with Chivu in their wish list, with Collocini returning and with the defensive midfield already booked by Ambrosini and Gattuso I think that AC Milan would accept a 10m bid
 
Originally posted by devilish:
<strong>When Manchester United will roam again the transfer market they should search wisely for good players who are able to play equally well in several positions adding class but also versatility to our team.

I think that we need 4 players
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what about Taribo West? McManaman? Sinclair?
;)
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Originally posted by devilish:
<strong>Kaladze plays with AC Milan. He is a sort of unsung hero at San Siro but had covered extremely well both the central back (making a great tandem with Costacurta), Defensive midfield (keeping Gattuso and Ambrosini on the bench) to settle on the left back, making his, the flank left by Maldini (who now plays as central back)</strong><hr></blockquote>

Watching Kaladze play this season, I feel he is jack-of-all-trades but not a true master of any position he plays in. Baraja is a better bet in the defensive midfield slot giving Keane the option to move into the back four but I doubt Captain Keano would like that.

A dedicated centre half would probably be a wiser option - Ayala anyone?
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Do they show much Turkish football in Malta devilish? Can't understand how Rustu has built himself such a reputation playing in a below average league and having a very good World Cup. I personally don't think he's the best out there.
 
Originally posted by Gazza:
<strong>Do they show much Turkish football in Malta devilish? Can't understand how Rustu has built himself such a reputation playing in a below average league and having a very good World Cup. I personally don't think he's the best out there.</strong><hr></blockquote>

You're right, he isn't. But a scary look and an ability to rise to the occasion in internationals can do well for anyone.
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PPL here had never understood the concept of why I named those names

Manchester United needed desperately to strengthen its strength in depth (then many ridiculed me about that till SAF himself confirmed that). It seems that money where going to be few (with Kenyon attacking the wage structure) and bringing a world class winger would have eaten ¾ of our funds not to forget that it would be very difficult to bring a world class left winger to OT till Giggsie is there (Kewell early refusal showed that my concerns where justified). I was searching for cheap yet confirmed players who would take the challenge because they have something to prove and naming Macca and Sinclair (my 4th and 5th choice behind Queresema, Savio and Overmars) brought a wave of controversy

On West I had watched him very close during his Italian spell. He is a very difficult character but he is one of the hardest and experienced defenders in the world. I thought that an experienced defender, who had skippered his nation for countless times and who had played well in France, Italy, Germany and England would have made a great and cheap COVER for Rio and Brown.

About Rustu, yes you are right my experience about the Turkish international rely on the World cup, European Qualification and certain CL games. But what I am searching in a keeper at OT is not the reflexes (Barthez is a world class on that) but the dominance and charisma that he emits. Just look at Schmicke. He managed to turn a division 1 level defense (Man City) in a defense solid enough to withstand even our world class forward line. That what our young defense needs. A goalkeeper that doesn’t limit himself of doing great saves but that is able to dominate his area and lead his defense. And that what exactly Rustu did to the Turkish backline
 
Originally posted by lchk:
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Watching Kaladze play this season, I feel he is jack-of-all-trades but not a true master of any position he plays in. Baraja is a better bet in the defensive midfield slot giving Keane the option to move into the back four but I doubt Captain Keano would like that.

A dedicated centre half would probably be a wiser option - Ayala anyone?</strong><hr></blockquote>

You are right that Kaladze is a jack of all trades, but unlike other players of his sort, his versatility was utilised not because he is not good enough but because the circumstances needed that.

Kaladze was brought at Milan as a central defender. With a couple of caps in his hands, a good season with Dinamo and a recommendation from Sheva, Kaladze soon shook away the “unknown” tag and won a place in the AC Milan’s defense. He was a quiet lad, but he was a monster at the back, doing things simple and killing great forwards out of the game.

AC Milan’s manager changed and Zac came to power. The Italian manager demanded more physical strength in the midfield and tried Kaladze more upfront. The Georgian international proved himself to be a consistent player that was able to keep bigger stars like Ambrosini and Gattuso on the bench

Zac was fired and Ancellotti was brought to bring a more attacking approach to the team. Watching Maldini growing old, the former Italian captain saw it right to flirt Maldini in the heart of the defense, creating a vacancy in the left back. Kaladze bullied the Brazilian international and fans favorite Serginho, making his the left flank where he place regularly

Kaladze was always considered as a first teamer at Milan. He is a great professional and a great player.
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Originally posted by An Extremely Boring Man:
<strong>I'd prefer us to buy players who would improve our team

Controversial, I know...</strong><hr></blockquote>

well those players would improve our team

But maybe World cups best keeper, one of the best wingers in the world, AC Milans regular left back and one of the best link men in the world arent Manutds level
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Originally posted by devilish:
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well those players would improve our team

But maybe World cups best keeper, one of the best wingers in the world, AC Milans regular left back and one of the best link men in the world arent Manutds level</strong><hr></blockquote>

Rustu is no better than Barthez

Kewell is not as good as Giggs

Ronaldinho is not as good as Scholes

Kaladze is no better than O'Shea
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Originally posted by MancFanFromManc:
<strong>Keeper: Howard or Robinson
I'd prefer someone young so they can form a defensive partnership that will stay together for the next 10 years</strong><hr></blockquote>

So you want to make our defence even younger, when Fergie has already pubicly said that we lack experience at the back :rolleyes:

IMO we can go for potential in any position except the GK. We need a finish product, a very secure and confident GK in front of our own net. I'd rather we keep Barthez if we can't sign someone who is a proven world class performer.
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Originally posted by An Extremely Boring Man:
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Rustu is no better than Barthez

Kewell is not as good as Giggs

Ronaldinho is not as good as Scholes

Kaladze is no better than O'Shea</strong><hr></blockquote>

But then who is better than Giggs, Scholes and O Shea?

We are not bringing players to replace these players but to compete with them adding strength in depth that even SAF himself had confessed that we desperately need.

Rather than critising others you should concentrate on other options for the team. But maybe Im asking too much from you
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Ronaldinho is a real link man with the talent to be one of the best in that area. His character needs improvement but Im sure that SAF can groom Ronaldinho so that we can exploit his talent fully
 
Originally posted by devilish:
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But then who is better than Giggs, Scholes and O Shea?

We are not bringing players to replace these players but to compete with them adding strength in depth that even SAF himself had confessed that we desperately need.

Rather than critising others you should concentrate on other options for the team. But maybe Im asking too much from you</strong><hr></blockquote>

It's very easy to criticise you though...

Rustu is the most overrated goalkeeper around at the moment. Good shot stopper, yes, and had a decent world cup (but was very lucky throughout the tournament). He's veru prone to mistakesand has no topflight experience and little European experience. No point replacing Barthez with someone who wouldn't be an improvement on him...

Our goalkeeper targets should be Robinson and Niemi.

Kaladze is a decent versatile defender. Not what we need - we already got plenty of versatile defenders. We need a dominant and experienced centre half. Also, Kaladze is eastern European, and they often come with a baggage and Sir Alex won't deal with them after all the trouble with Kanchelskis.

Kewell - by all means, if he wants to come and the price is right, get him. Better alternative than Ronaldinho.

Ronaldinho would be a disaster IMO. South American for a start, and I don't like us signing them. Also, the world cup has made him a very overrated player. It was a poor world club standard-wise, and Brazil didn't play many decent teams. Would struggle in the English league.
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Originally posted by devilish:
<strong>Ronaldinho is a real link man with the talent to be one of the best in that area. His character needs improvement but Im sure that SAF can groom Ronaldinho so that we can exploit his talent fully</strong><hr></blockquote>


What on earth is a 'link man'???? :rolleyes:
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From what I have heard about Tim Howard, he seems the deal goalkeeping-wise. Young, and proven. A legend of sorts in the making.

Defensively, it would be great to identify someone, who like Silvestre, O'Shea, Brown and Gary Neville, can play either CB or FB. I think Escude has been reported to be on that line. I believe also, that someone like Van Buyten or Mexes who just play CB would not be too bad either. We do have able cover in FB positions. But, the verstality would be great to have. Don't know of Mexes' or Van Buyten's verstality that way.

Kewell would be just quite an awesome addition, completely versatile, brilliant and potentially our second most lethal weapon goal scoring wise behind Ruud, if he comes. Quaresma to fill in the RM competing role that Chadwick was expected to take would be a great thing to anticipate too.

Up front, I think we do need to concentrate on giving Forlan more exposure. The boy has pace. And he will be able to, with time, to hone his finishing skills. His style reminds me of the way Andy Cole played for us, except that Forlan may be better eventually because of his two footedness and his long range shooting. With the addition of Kewell, we won't need anybody extra upfront.
 
Originally posted by An Extremely Boring Man:
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What on earth is a 'link man'???? :rolleyes: </strong><hr></blockquote>

Watch Real and Juve and search for a certian Del Piero and Raul. Those are linkmen
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Originally posted by devilish:
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Watch Real and Juve and search for a certian Del Piero and Raul. Those are linkmen</strong><hr></blockquote>

Ah, you mean an attacker who doesn't always play on the shoulder of the last defender, I see...

Is that what Scholes does for us?

Obviously, we can't compete with the likes with Real or Juventus though :rolleyes:
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:( What's the fuss about Robinson... He is a decent EPL GK and nothing more. When people talk about the best GK in EPL this season they said Fridel, Cudicini, etc. Why not keep Barthez, if what people can suggest is Robinson and David James. If they are any good at all, Seaman would not have played in the World Cup last year!
 
Originally posted by An Extremely Boring Man:
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Ah, you mean an attacker who doesn't always play on the shoulder of the last defender, I see...

Is that what Scholes does for us?

:rolleyes: </strong><hr></blockquote>

Then you had really not understood the concept of a link man.

A link man is unpredictable, capable to send a defense in tilt with a wit of class and score some important goals and yet this is not his main priority. His job is to channel all the creativity coming from the midfield to the right direction, exploiting breaches in the defense and set up several golden opportunities the striker. You need technique, vision and class to play that role which many great managers had described as the most important role in the forward line. Great players like Roby Baggio,
Zola and Cantona had enchanted their teams with their creativity, unpredictability and class

Scholes is a great player and one of the best attacking midfielders in modern football but he is not a link man. He lacks of that creativity spark, vision and unpredictability which is needed in a link man.

SAF had always searched for a great link man, experimenting on Giggs, Forlan and Scholes before bidding for Ronaldinho. The fact we keep on calling the most important role in the forward line as the “hole” shows that we still are in desperate need of a link man
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Originally posted by devilish:
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Then you had really not understood the concept of a link man.

A link man is unpredictable, capable to send a defense in tilt with a wit of class and score some important goals and yet this is not his main priority. His job is to channel all the creativity coming from the midfield to the right direction, exploiting breaches in the defense and set up several golden opportunities the striker. You need technique, vision and class to play that role which many great managers had described as the most important role in the forward line. Great players like Roby Baggio,
Zola and Cantona had enchanted their teams with their creativity, unpredictability and class

Scholes is a great player and one of the best attacking midfielders in modern football but he is not a link man. He lacks of that creativity spark, vision and unpredictability which is needed in a link man.

SAF had always searched for a great link man, experimenting on Giggs, Forlan and Scholes before bidding for Ronaldinho. The fact we keep on calling the most important role in the forward line as the “hole” shows that we still are in desperate need of a link man</strong><hr></blockquote>

<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />

Obviously I have not understood the 'conecpt of a link man' - I didn't even know what the term 'link man' ment an hour ago...

You obviously don't appreciate Scholes as much as people who goes to OT do...

Maybe he's not flash enough for you...Not enough of an exciting name...

But he is very much capable of:

1. 'to send a defense in tilt with a wit of class'
2. 'score some important goals'
3. 'to channel all the creativity coming from the midfield to the right direction'
4. 'exploiting breaches in the defense'
5. 'set up several golden opportunities the striker'

I've seen him do this for almost a decade now
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I appreceate him enough to say that he is the best in his department and should have NEVER been moved out of his role, Veron and not Veron. I was critised for that for 2 seasons now and yet I keep to my words despite Veron being (Then) 4 me the best attacking midfielder in the Serie A

And yet Scholes IS NOT A Linkman
 
Originally posted by devilish:
<strong>I appreceate him enough to say that he is the best in his department and should have NEVER been moved out of his role, Veron and not Veron. I was critised for that for 2 seasons now and yet I keep to my words despite Veron being (Then) 4 me the best attacking midfielder in the Serie A

And yet Scholes IS NOT A Linkman</strong><hr></blockquote>

<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />

I think you're a very confused man...
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Originally posted by devilish:
<strong>how did my words confused you?</strong><hr></blockquote>

You keep going on about this 'linkman' concept, and claims that Scholes is not a 'linkman', yet he's just had his possible best season so far mostly playing just off Ruud (which I thought was the 'linkman' role...

You also claim that he (Scholes) is the best 'in his department and should have NEVER been moved out of his role'. What 'department' is this?

Claiming that Scholes lacks vision and class to play in the role he has for the last two seasons shows a profound lack of understanding and appreciation of Paul Scholes. Maybe we should get rid of him as well as Giggs and Sir Alex?
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Originally posted by uranushk1:
<strong> :( What's the fuss about Robinson... He is a decent EPL GK and nothing more. When people talk about the best GK in EPL this season they said Fridel, Cudicini, etc. Why not keep Barthez, if what people can suggest is Robinson and David James. If they are any good at all, Seaman would not have played in the World Cup last year!</strong><hr></blockquote>

Precisely. Robinson is nowhere as good as he's hyped up to be and certainly not better than Barthez. Brad Friedel is the best keeper in the EPL - full stop.
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I agree with Spoony and Canadian Dee ( i think, it was them?...) Basically, We've played our best football with Scholesy starting deeper and Giggsy upfront just behind Ruud. Giggs suits that role, coz he doesn't need to track back as much..thus has stayed injury free. I have no doubt in mind that Ginger's best position is midfield, I love the way he attacks the box from deep positions...reminds me of One Bryan Robson... SAF has been trying to buy a withdrawn forward to play behind Ruud for two seasons.... Iam not surprised that he's interested in Ronaldhino.. a player with pace and dribbling skills, to takeover from Giggs, eventually......

I said before, that we're not DESEPARATE for a linkman... our frontline is more than good enough.....however, I think its imperative that we find young talent to add to the squad.....
 
Originally posted by An Extremely Boring Man:
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You keep going on about this 'linkman' concept, and claims that Scholes is not a 'linkman', yet he's just had his possible best season so far mostly playing just off Ruud (which I thought was the 'linkman' role...

You also claim that he (Scholes) is the best 'in his department and should have NEVER been moved out of his role'. What 'department' is this?

Claiming that Scholes lacks vision and class to play in the role he has for the last two seasons shows a profound lack of understanding and appreciation of Paul Scholes. Maybe we should get rid of him as well as Giggs and Sir Alex?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Scholes is a very intelligent player and one of the most complete attacking midfielders in modern football. He is able to play well both in his attacking duties and his defensive duties and its rare from
an attacking midfielder to have this characteristic. His way to infliltrate the defense from the midfield and score just under the defender’s noses (concentrated on marking the forwards) is world class and only Ballack and Zidane holds this characteristic.

He may not have the through balls of Veron, but he is a more hardworking, more dangerous, faster so in few words more complete.

And yet you need to be different to be a link man. The link man is constantly marked, he needs to have the ability and technique to penetrate the defenses and the creativity to create chances out of nothing (sort of Cantona if you remember him) The fact that we keep on calling the most important position as the “hole”. The fact that SAF is constantly gambling players in that position, the fact that he had brought Diego Forlan (a raw link man) and the fact that he is trying to sign Ronaldinho shows that we need a link man. BUT MAYBE YOU KNOW BETTER THAN SAF

And sorry Scholes best seasons where when he played in the midfield,being part of a team who could score tons and winning trebles and doubles.
This year we didnt even topped the global team goalscorers list, despite having a striker (RVN) that is better than the treble winning attack put together
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