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Kante was a lot better on the football than Ugarte. He was also a really really good dribbler and ball carrier. He was also just a lot better at basically everything.

Will I get yelled out of the room if I give you the moneyball quote?

"Guys, you're still trying to replace Kante. I told you we can't do it, and we can't do it. Now, what we might be able to do is re-create him. Re-create him in the aggregate".

But my view mostly is that a player of Ugarte's profile is useful to have in the squad and even a purist like Pep realized that when he signed Philips and attempted to sign Fred (no one can convince me that they never attempted to sign Fred or it was all mindgames from City or whatever).
 
Will I get yelled out of the room if I give you the moneyball quote?

"Guys, you're still trying to replace Kante. I told you we can't do it, and we can't do it. Now, what we might be able to do is re-create him. Re-create him in the aggregate".

But my view mostly is that a player of Ugarte's profile is useful to have in the squad and even a purist like Pep realized that when he signed Philips and attempted to sign Fred (no one can convince me that they never attempted to sign Fred or it was all mindgames from City or whatever).
I have no doubt he’s useful to have in the squad — never disputed that. As per my original post, when/if we do become properly “good” again, I think Ugarte’s significance will wane. God knows when that actually happens, though. We’ve been shite for ages so I’m sure he’ll continue to play a key part for a while
 
Off the ball - Very good
On the ball - Adequate.
So simple yet so accurate in describing Ugarte.

He makes us solid in midfield and keeps his passes simple, a deep playmaker next to him who is very good on the ball but adequate off it will complement him.
 
As others has said he's fine, when we are closer to pushing for trophies then we will need better, but would still be a good squad option.
 
He is a good player.

Would love it if he can improve the following aspects of his game:
- long passing/cross field switching
- running/dribbling with the ball forward
- goalscoring (he now can score 1-2 goals max per season all comps, many great CDMs like Rodri, Keane, Casemiro can score regularly)

these attributes separate him good from great
 
Nottingham Forest 1:0 Man Utd New
Very poor first half. Was literally non existent and I'm normally someone that likes to back him up
 
He wouldn't get in the Forest side. Vital we upgrade CM in the summer.
 
He is just not that impactful outside of games when it is backs to the wall. It is all a bit limited and one paced otherwise.
 
I think he gets phased out in the next season or so. He's limited in his role. I reckon he would be quality for Fulham in the Palhinha role
 
I’m not sure on how long it takes to recover from it but he did play at high altitude last week which isn’t really the best thing for the body.
 
Think he's another Fred for us. Bags of energy, will always be a useful squad player, but the midfield will always be slightly limited when he's playing.
 
Feel like this kind of game there's no need to start him - we know they will give the midfield space so we need creators. Forest are a bit of a one off in the PL calendar under Nuno, they literally do not want the ball at all unless they are countering. 3 CBs, plus Case/Ugarte to me is too defensive with the context of how they play.
 
Think he's another Fred for us. Bags of energy, will always be a useful squad player, but the midfield will always be slightly limited when he's playing.
Fred was better.
 
I think, he was important today because without him, Forrest would have dominated the middle of the pitch. I agree, in a game like this, having him and Casemiro on the pitch is tricky, but I actually think, Casemiro should have been the one to get hooked earlier to improve the balance. Forrest exposed a known weakpoint there and the whole midfield looked iffy.
 
He's been pretty good this season, not great, good. But he had a poor game against Forest
I’d find it difficult to describe his season as good. This is a £60m midfielder playing for Manchester United. He’s been thoroughly average in my opinion and I think Casemiro has been better than him recently, which is saying something. There’s some big flaws to his game, particularly when playing for a team that wants to control games. He’d arguably be a better fit in a team with lesser aspirations that wants to make the game scrappy, because he does that effectively.
 
Probably more useful in 4-4-2. With 3 at the back, we are sort on number at midfield & attack, thus need our non-CBs to contribute more on progressing play.
 
I’d find it difficult to describe his season as good. This is a £60m midfielder playing for Manchester United. He’s been thoroughly average in my opinion and I think Casemiro has been better than him recently, which is saying something. There’s some big flaws to his game, particularly when playing for a team that wants to control games. He’d arguably be a better fit in a team with lesser aspirations that wants to make the game scrappy, because he does that effectively.
This is not a £60m midfielder, it's a £42m midfielder who may end up reaching £50m if he meets a lot of clauses. I don't think inflating his fee by a third is really necessary for your argument.
 
Think he's another Fred for us. Bags of energy, will always be a useful squad player, but the midfield will always be slightly limited when he's playing.

He has one or two things in common with Fred, but for me hes also the opposite rather than all that similar.

Both have high stamina, energy and workrate.

Fred was an athlete, quite quick for a CM. But his skillset wasnt ideal for either an attacking midfielder - low end product most seasons, or a defensive midfielder - shat his pants when pressed in his own defensive third of the pitch and poor concentration leading to simple passes in his half going astray.

Ugarte on the other hand isnt that athletic, outside of the legs. He isnt fast or strong, he doesnt have a big leap etc. But he is mostly ideal for the DM position and not at all suited to an attacking role. Most of the time he's dependable defensively and sometimes he'll do decently or well when pressed in his own half. But he's not playing some of the nice passes Fred would play between the frustratingly misplaced 5 yard passes

I personally like Ugarte more because its straight forward to find a good partner for him. He does more than his share of the defensive work but not enough in buildup play, so you need to pair him with an offensive minded player who might be a bit light defensively. From our squad thats Bruno, possibly Eriksen on a good day and going forward those are the kinds of players we should look to buy next to him.

With Fred neither the defensive player nor the attacking player makes an ideal partner because he isnt either one. The attacking player leaves you too light relying on Fred defensively and the defensive player frees Fred up to attack more, but he wasnt that good at it.
 
Abysmal midfielder, from his debut against Southampton it was obvious this was another on the long list of terrible Manchester United signings.
 
There's understandable factors this time (travel, games at altitude) but I think it's a bit concerning how often we have to sub him in games.

He's been subbed off in 8 of his last 10 starts and is averaging 65 minutes a game across the season.

Amorim's talked about his stamina/conditioning a couple of times. Firstly saying he's a player who needs more recovery time (in reference to playing midweek/weekend) and then saying he was 'very tired from minute one' against Southampton a couple of months ago.

Not ideal for a player who's very much an energy man, who's entire game is being a physical presence.

Fred was a similar player - at least in terms of counterpressing, energy etc - but you almost feel like he could have played twice a day never mind twice a week.
 
There's understandable factors this time (travel, games at altitude) but I think it's a bit concerning how often we have to sub him in games.

He's been subbed off in 8 of his last 10 starts and is averaging 65 minutes a game across the season.

Amorim's talked about his stamina/conditioning a couple of times. Firstly saying he's a player who needs more recovery time (in reference to playing midweek/weekend) and then saying he was 'very tired from minute one' against Southampton a couple of months ago.

Not ideal for a player who's very much an energy man, who's entire game is being a physical presence.

Fred was a similar player - at least in terms of counterpressing, energy etc - but you almost feel like he could have played twice a day never mind twice a week.

I would argue he's more of a mental player. He's an expert ball winner. Yes he works hard when hes on the pitch, but its his ability to read the game that gets him in position to win so many tackles and its the amount of tackles that are the standout stat for Ugarte. It isnt luck. He just knows where to be to pinch the ball
 
I would argue he's more of a mental player. He's an expert ball winner. Yes he works hard when hes on the pitch, but its his ability to read the game that gets him in position to win so many tackles and its the amount of tackles that are the standout stat for Ugarte. It isnt luck. He just knows where to be to pinch the ball
He also dives in plenty of times and gets nowhere near the ball or breezed past, he doesn’t look as clumsy as Casemiro when he used to do it last season so it isn’t as evident but at least with Casemiro you get some progression - you get nothing from Ugarte apart from shins being kicked
 
I like Ugarte but again it feels like he's another that suits a 3 man midfield rather than a 2.
 
Think he's another Fred for us. Bags of energy, will always be a useful squad player, but the midfield will always be slightly limited when he's playing.
Yeah another Fred who is a single midfielder. Fred was playing with always hiding and not good enough McT, terrible passer and defender. PLaying with Casemiro means being suspect too on a counter as well. Let's judge midfielders when they don't play with legless midfielders like Casemiro or Eriksen.
 
I like Ugarte but again it feels like he's another that suits a 3 man midfield rather than a 2.
But didn't he play for Amorim before he went to PSG? Or have I got that wrong? When we signed Amorim I thought the one play who would hit the ground running would be Ugarte as he'd be playing the same role as he did as Sporting that got PSG all excited.
 
He’s great in games when our backs are against the wall and we set up defensively but in other games he’s pretty ineffective and pointless.

I know he was the flashy name out the two we were linked with last year but I generally think Berge would’ve been a much better signing for us.
 
He needs to be trained to be more progressive on the ball. Other than that, he's fine. Yeah he cost too much but it is what it is.
 
Pretty limited but him going off resulted in a improvement in Forest in the early part of the second half.
 
He needs to be trained to be more progressive on the ball. Other than that, he's fine. Yeah he cost too much but it is what it is.
Yeah and Maguire needs to be trained to be able to race Usain Bolt. Neither are happening - unrealistic!
 
But didn't he play for Amorim before he went to PSG? Or have I got that wrong? When we signed Amorim I thought the one play who would hit the ground running would be Ugarte as he'd be playing the same role as he did as Sporting that got PSG all excited.
Ugarte has his hit the ground running, this is his ability this is him. Unfortunately in the Premier League you need more than kicking shins and winning 50% of duels, you need to know how to actually play football
 
A yellow card machine, which could prove to be a massive liability.

Jury's out, for me.
 
I have no complaints about his performance last night. Nothing special but we were dominant in first half and that changed in 2nd period when Amorim took him off.
 
But didn't he play for Amorim before he went to PSG? Or have I got that wrong? When we signed Amorim I thought the one play who would hit the ground running would be Ugarte as he'd be playing the same role as he did as Sporting that got PSG all excited.
Because EPL is a different ball game. It's a 38 game physical sprint fight. Now add playing in a 2 man midfield.
 
This is not a £60m midfielder, it's a £42m midfielder who may end up reaching £50m if he meets a lot of clauses. I don't think inflating his fee by a third is really necessary for your argument.
The guy's argument wouldn't really hold weight unless he deliberately exaggerated the transfer fee
 
I thought he was fine yesterday. It just wasn't the game for him as Forest were not interested in attacking and we needed to make an attacking change. We know attacking is not his strength, it never was.

We actually lost a fair measure of control when he went off.
 
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This is not a £60m midfielder, it's a £42m midfielder who may end up reaching £50m if he meets a lot of clauses. I don't think inflating his fee by a third is really necessary for your argument.

Ok my mistake, a £42m midfielder. Makes no difference and the point still stands. He’s not good enough and it’s clear now why Enrique didn’t want him.