Where do you look for football gifs btw? Any chance there's a gif of Neuer's dribbling against Leverkusen in the last minutes of our only defeat in the league last season?I do think that De Gea is good at distributing the ball, but there is no chance that he is better than Neuer at it. His kicking reminds me a lot of how good Reina used to be at it, even if he never had the super high passing rates that Neuer does now. And that's not even factoring in these...
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Yeah, but Ronaldo has better hair than Messi so doesn't that make him the better player?
Oh wrong thread, it felt like Messi vs Ronaldo here...
Oh wrong thread, it felt like Messi vs Ronaldo here...
45 seconds in is the best part, the music is really shit, but I can't find a better video at the moment:
Show me a goalkeeper today, who can play like that? I still can't believe we didn't score in the end, we really really deserved to
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Show me a goalkeeper today, who can play like that? I still can't believe we didn't score in the end, we really really deserved to
.I literally just went on Google, searched "youtube Neuer throws" (I thought I once saw a compilation of his long throws on Youtube), and then clicked the first link that I thought wasn't awful.
45 seconds in is the best part, the music is really shit, but I can't find a better video at the moment:
Show me a goalkeeper today, who can play like that? I still can't believe we didn't score in the end, we really really deserved to
That's fecking ridiculous!
Most goalkeepers can dribble in fairness, just they never are out of their boxes to do it, never mind that far up the pitch.
I was referring more to his positioning there, the dribbling was still quite impressive though!
Surprised the Leuverkeusen goalkeeper didn't get up more quickly and try a cheeky punt into the Bayern net before Neuer could get back though. Looks like Sami Hyypia might have been wondering the same thing!
That Leverkusen clip. Never seen a goalkeeper camped on the half way line before.
I honestly do not know how much De Gea have you seen over the last couple of years, but his distribution is one of the best I have seen. Better than even VDS I dare say.
Neuer only has the balls to do that in the dying moments of a losing cause.
Here is the real thing, Rene Higuita:
Here is the real thing, Rene Higuita:
the original OP was only made after an observation regarding the match. It seemed to me that he was definitely someone that the likes of Welbeck could target and put under pressure.
I dont argue the fact that he may be maradona on the ball, just that the other night he seemed flustered with the ball played back
I dont argue the fact that he may be maradona on the ball, just that the other night he seemed flustered with the ball played back
Show me a goalkeeper today, who can play like that? I still can't believe we didn't score in the end, we really really deserved to
What, a terrible first touch, lucky to regain possession and then a bog standard pass. I'd be disappointed if every keeper in the Championship couldn't do that.
May shock people, but I've always thought Neuer was over-rated. By no means am I saying he's crap - he's a very good goalkeeper, but not once did I think he was "best in the world" quality which seemed to be thrown about a lot.
Currently I actually think Courtois is up there (6"6 too what a big frame), would be surprised if Chelsea don't recall him next year, they should sell Cech now I feel as Courtois 10 years younger and great presence plus they could do with some extra money for buying players like Costa in the summer.
Before this season, I still thought we missed out hugely not getting Neuer as a VDS replacement. IMO he is an outstanding goalkeeper, his reach is fantastic and he is intimidatingly massive even for a goalkeeper. As much as Welbeck pissed his pants, I think goalkeepers like Neuer make their own luck in situations like that by forcing the striker into a decision, increasing the chances of a pants pissing.
I disagree, Welbeck didn't "piss his pants" he didn't executed the chip trying to be smart, his leg was too tense executing it so the ball didn't get enough lift on it, the trajectory was wrong, if your leg was slightly more limp the ball would have lifted better, his posture wasn't right.
Equally if he DID chip Neuer, Martinez would have cleared it off the line, he should have just put it to the side, the chance was nothing to do with Neuer, it was Welbeck picking the wrong option.
He had a decision to make and he made a very poor one, he pissed his pants all right. I'm sure the decision would be much easier without a huge GK running at you, don't you think? What do you think I meant by it?
45 seconds in is the best part, the music is really shit, but I can't find a better video at the moment:
Show me a goalkeeper today, who can play like that? I still can't believe we didn't score in the end, we really really deserved to
Bit lucky tbh that he retained position.
Bayern are so dominant in the Bundesliga what does it matter if he cocks up, doubt he would be taking risks if there was a result was on the line.
Hope he continues...Welbz will 'ave him in Munich!
He didn't, he was one of the best players on the pitch, in the PL that first goal of his would have possibly stood, he didn't make the "wrong choice" he just didn't get the contact with the ball he should have, but he was focused on the ball not the keeper.
Players miss chances sometimes, Welbeck has been in very good form this year, Januzaj could have started on the left but he isn't as physical as Welbeck, but honestly Welbeck did terrific yesterday, he gave Bayern something to think about, it was pace that we needed, and he provided it.
You said yourself he 'picked the wrong option', that's exactly what I mean by 'pissing his pants'! I never even mentioned his performance in the whole game, or in the whole season. He made the 'wrong choice' (as you said exactly!!) because he chose such a difficult shot to execute when other options were available, possibly aided by the presence of Neuer to his credit IMO. Stop contradicting yourself just to have an argument with me.
"pissing his pants" makes it sound like he's afraid, he has no fear, it's clear by his performances, especially in the big games.
I think you show great disrespect to Welbeck and his performance by saying that, I'm not contradicting myself, I'm saying yes he could have hit it to the keepers right, but he could have had better contact with the ball, but he did not "piss his pants", he is one of our top performers this year, the only player in the team making those runs or providing that pace, he has the ability to chip keepers he did earlier in the season, just this one he didn't make the right contact.
I'm not having an argument with you, I'm having a discussion it's a forum, that's what they are here for.
My apologies if I was lost in translation, when I said he pissed his pants I mean in making that decision he crumbled - that's all. Perhaps I should have used more clear terminology. I was only talking about that incident in the context of exemplifying what a great goalkeeper I think Neuer is. If this was the Welbeck thread I'd probably have mentioned his overall performance, but it is not. If you are so eager to discuss Welbeck, perhaps you should take it to his thread and not this one? That's twice now you have harped on about his performance in the match, and in the season in this thread, when nobody is even discussing that at all??
I am talking about the scenario in context of yesterday, it was Welbeck, Martinez, and Neuer so I am talking about that scenario, and my views on that, if I am to talk about a specific piece of play, you look at the context, it's like conducting a scientific study without subject.
Yes Neuer is terrific with one on one situations, not seen someone like that since Schmeichel but I don't think it had any real bearing on yesterdays chance, although yes, he is an intimidating figure, I still don't think that's why the chance was not taken, you have to also remember its a CL game, quarter final against the biggest team in Europe, where you are asked to be the main man in the team and exploit the lack of pace, it rested on his shoulders yesterday, there was more pressure than simply Neuers "presence".
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Welbeck didnt piss his pants, it makes it sound like he shirked out of a challenge or something.
he simply didnt execute the chip correctly. If it had gone in, everyone would be praising a brilliant goal from a brilliant young player
he simply didnt execute the chip correctly. If it had gone in, everyone would be praising a brilliant goal from a brilliant young player
Nothing would give me greater pleasure than to see Neuer being caught out with the ball at his feet outside the box. He irritates the hell out of me constantly standing halfway up his own half of the pitch.
Would love to see Rooney lob him or something. Twat.
Would love to see Rooney lob him or something. Twat.
He did piss his pants.
He didn't need to do a chip either, just slot it past him. Sadly he's just not a finisher.
Again, stats out of context. Comparing passing stats from from a player that's 20-21 years old in a team with other players that are 20-21 at the most and play very few games together each year compared to Bayern where Neuer plays 60+ games per season week in, week out, in a team that's arguably the best in the world with players like Lahm to pass to.
There's such a massive difference between the two. Especially with Guardiola and his tactics.
Everyone who watches Neuer now and then will tell you he is great with his feet which was best seen in the Super Cup final against Chelsea where he basically played a DM in the last quarter of an hour.
The bolded bit, however, is bollocks I'm afraid. One of those 'sb underrates my player so I'll go with hyperbole to show him/her how wrong he/she is'. No need for that, Balu.
I think he went for the trickiest option when he didn't need to.
45 seconds in is the best part, the music is really shit, but I can't find a better video at the moment:
Show me a goalkeeper today, who can play like that? I still can't believe we didn't score in the end, we really really deserved to
That's a futsal move, putting your goalie on the half way line while desperately chasing the game. Saw the Dutch futsal team did it, way back when I was a teen. They were down at half time, started the 2nd half that way, and won the game.
On the clip, Neuer had a lucky break, not losing the ball when he was tackled. I don't see anything that impressive there. At the risk of starting a dick waving contest, I reckon De Gea wouldn't look out of place as high up the pitch as Neuer was there.
How so? Pressing is clearly not a strength of United's and the Bundesliga was the quickest to adopt a pressing game across the board of any top European league. Dortmund took over Barcelona's mantle in their back-to-back title winning seasons, Bayern adopted it and then it filtered through to many of the other Bundesliga sides.
I know the Germans all think Neuer is an unbelievable sweeper keeper but I've never seen him look as comfortable on the ball as someone like VdS. Better distribution no doubt but for someone who spends so much time outside his own box I've never thought of him as particularly outstanding with the ball at his feet. De Gea is good but his distribution just isn't at the same level as Neuer and his footwork is similarly unimpressive compared to VdS. There's a few gifs that make him look good but realistically he can struggled when put under pressure because of his footwork and it's not uncommon to see him mess up a clearance because of that (or because he's not hugely comfortable on his weaker side).
He looks a bit clumsy I agree, but he is 6ft4 and massive. He also makes a point of playing it safe, getting his body behind the ball before kicking it. Doesn't win points for being gracious, but it is safer.
Also his distribution is very often right on the spot, was especially noticeable after Kahn who was accurate as a blunderbuss.
The best thing about Neuer are his throws, anyway.
We're shit at pressing which is, among other things, what makes Dortmund and Bayern such strong sides. That's true. However, I'd bet that Bayern players will be first to admit that United pressed them well. There were periods when we went deep just waiting for them to play into our hands but we also went at them higher on the pitch which caused them to either speed up the transition from defence or clear it - unusual for this Bayern side. Munich and Dortmund press far better than us but I refuse to believe that 'plenty of teams' made it more difficult for Bayern this season than we did. What do we understand by plenty then?
We are talking about one game, not the state of our pressing in general. Obviously I may underestimate Bundesliga as a whole but from what I've seen of Bayern this season, they usually look more comfortable in the league than they did at Old Trafford bar possession percentage which itself was inflated by those periods when we sat deep and weren't interested in stringing three passes together.
In 2014, I'd say Nürnberg, Mainz, Wolfsburg definitely played significantly better pressing for longer periods of the game than United in this game. None of them defended as well deep in the box of course, overall I was very positive about United's performance with my comments after the game, but the pressing wasn't that special, imo. 'countless' teams of course was exaggerated (probably influenced by someone writing, he's not used to being put under pressure at all, which is clearly nonsense), but there are definitely more than a few teams in the Bundesliga, that play even against Bayern a high defensive line with great collective pressing. At times, it looks like everyone is trying to copy Dortmund's style but few teams pull it off and are therefore regularly exposed at the back. Still, there's no league in the world, that plays more pressing than the Bundesliga at the moment, that I'm sure off. Don't think that's a great development though, I don't get what's wrong with quality defending inside the box.
I watched the game once again and after rethinking the discussion I have to say that perhaps I went OTT a little bit. Haven't been as wound up during United game since Madrid last season and it seemed to me we pressed more frequently while watching it live. I'd say we didn't press horribly much but when we did - it was effective (for a change). Apologies, Balu.
He is a handball GK
No need to apologise mate
. It would be fecking boring here, if we all agreed on everything.I don't like to talk shit, so when I do, I prefer to admit that instead of floundering further.
.Neuer has one of the best deliveries in the world, but I think this issue is a bit over-hyped. The difference between most top goalies regarding their long balls isnt that big. What sets Neuer apart (besides being a terrific goalkeeper) is his "sweeper" ability to clear long balls 20-30meters in front of his goal. I have never seen a goaly with better timing to run out and clear these balls. Almost every single GK in the world stays in the line and waits for the 1v1 situation, while he is clearing these kind of passes almost every game; often with a header.
I dont know if his technique is exceptional, but he is very calm and controlled, when he has the ball. This allows him to react to the movement of the attacking player and to locate his teammates and make a proper pass, while most GK "have their head down" and just kick it wide.
I dont know if his technique is exceptional, but he is very calm and controlled, when he has the ball. This allows him to react to the movement of the attacking player and to locate his teammates and make a proper pass, while most GK "have their head down" and just kick it wide.
45 seconds in is the best part, the music is really shit, but I can't find a better video at the moment:
Show me a goalkeeper today, who can play like that? I still can't believe we didn't score in the end, we really really deserved to
Tbf that was a touch of a rapist.