Manchester United vs Real Madrid (Thu 27th July, 01:30 UK time)

Yup, but in fairness to Onana it is his first game for United. But we need to gird ourselves for a drop in quality in shotstopping in exchange for the “transformation” is our attack that he’ll deliver.
100% agreed, man. I don't see any "game changer" yet many have talked about.
Seemed to me Onana already had a significant impact on how we play from the back and escape pressure. It's 90', but clear as a day how we are going to use him so those comments are a bit strange.

The bit about shotstopping is bizarre, do we assume Onana will be worse than De Gea who already was average at best (overall)?
 
Seemed to me Onana already had a significant impact on how we play from the back and escape pressure. It's 90', but clear as a day how we are going to use him so those comments are a bit strange.

The bit about shotstopping is bizarre, do we assume Onana will be worse than De Gea who already was average at best (overall)?

People equate some crazy reflex stops to being good at shot stopping, when in truth aside from 1 or 2 seasons DDG was average at best. But, we'll be hearing this shite everytime a goal goes in, Onana has been brought in to help the team play a certain way. In one game you can see straight away how he operates and the impact it has.
 
Seemed to me Onana already had a significant impact on how we play from the back and escape pressure. It's 90', but clear as a day how we are going to use him so those comments are a bit strange.

The bit about shotstopping is bizarre, do we assume Onana will be worse than De Gea who already was average at best (overall)?
Our play from the back was definitely improving. But I was yet to see it as "game changer" that can turn a draw into win or revolution our style of play.

Although it's all still too early.
 
32 pages on a pre season game, feck me.

I can remember on numerous occasions SAF having terrible pre seasons and then going on to walk the league.

...or Van Gaals first preseason, I think it was a USA tour as well. Hardly ever saw this team playing such brillant football. We all know how that ended.
 
Didn't watch the game. But it seems lot of the people are upset about a preseason result. Just remember Haaland was a preseason failure last year in community shield.
 
Don't think in a competitive game, ETH sets up against Real Madrid (or quality opposition in general) the way he set up today. We tried to press RM midfielders and didn't make any headway. And subsequently they had all the space in the world in front and behind the backline. It's a miracle we didn't lose by more goals. Today was just practice and we now know we can't be so aggressive against better quality teams.
 
Our play from the back was definitely improving. But I was yet to see it as "game changer" that can turn a draw into win or revolution our style of play.

Although it's all still too early.
Hm that's a bit strange way of looking at it. The keeper can only do so much, right? I mean - the simplest way to look at it is that Onana improves our play from the back, but the single biggest issue is on the other side of the pitch anyway. Just because we can't seem to get a half decent striker (for whatever reasons) shouldn't reflect on the keeper who is basically doing his job.
Imagine a team that has a very prolific striker but a shit keeper - the same way you can say the striker impact isn't that high because we're still only drawing games.

I think Onana might have a huge impact because it seems like Martinez will be the closest to a playmaker in that team, since we are playing Casemiro + two #10s. I think this is a mitigation tactic because there's no midfielder available who will take the ball from defense and progress it forward (although I would argue we should've gone all in for Caicedo). I might be totally wrong here but I'm trying to make sense of Mount transfer.
 
Hm that's a bit strange way of looking at it. The keeper can only do so much, right? I mean - the simplest way to look at it is that Onana improves our play from the back, but the single biggest issue is on the other side of the pitch anyway. Just because we can't seem to get a half decent striker (for whatever reasons) shouldn't reflect on the keeper who is basically doing his job.
Imagine a team that has a very prolific striker but a shit keeper - the same way you can say the striker impact isn't that high because we're still only drawing games.

I think Onana might have a huge impact because it seems like Martinez will be the closest to a playmaker in that team, since we are playing Casemiro + two #10s. I think this is a mitigation tactic because there's no midfielder available who will take the ball from defense and progress it forward (although I would argue we should've gone all in for Caicedo). I might be totally wrong here but I'm trying to make sense of Mount transfer.

Seen many of those type of claims in here. Just need to see many on those "main priority..." threads, or in his transfer thread.

Agreed 100% that there's so much a Gk can do. He won't turn our team into goalscoring free team.

EDIT: not saying that I dislike what I saw in last game. His passing skill and confidence looked very nice. And also agreed on Mount. I'm still on wait and see phase with him.
 
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How did we play in general?
Can't comment on the full game but from the extended highlights it looked like they had a lot of joy on the transition and had a lot more chances than us.

Maybe the full game paints a different picture but looked like when they won the ball back they were able to get into dangerous positions on the counter quite easily.

Seen the talk about needing a striker but from what I saw the problem was creating chances today rather than missing loads of good chances.
 
How did we play in general?
First half they were a level above us but didnt create anything. They were quick in transition while we struggled to pass through.

Second half we played better as they lost balance after the substitutes.
 
I really loved the game. Our performance needs to improve if we want to play and win against the best. But today gave us an honest opinion of where the team is and what is required.

Onana distribution and calmness at the back was a joy to watch.
 
Onana was the highlight. What a huge upgrade from the last United keeper

Eriksen should be relegated to emergency backup or used in cup games against poor opponents.

We need a striker. Two strikers even. We need them now. No, yesterday. Just buy some fecking strikers
 
Seen many of those type of claims in here. Just need to see many on those "main priority..." threads, or in his transfer thread.

Agreed 100% that there's so much a Gk can do. He won't turn our team into goalscoring free team.

EDIT: not saying that I dislike what I saw in last game. His passing skill and confidence looked very nice. And also agreed on Mount. I'm still on wait and see phase with him.
Sorry I didn't get the point in the bolded part, I'm confused.

Can't comment on the full game but from the extended highlights it looked like they had a lot of joy on the transition and had a lot more chances than us.

Maybe the full game paints a different picture but looked like when they won the ball back they were able to get into dangerous positions on the counter quite easily.

Seen the talk about needing a striker but from what I saw the problem was creating chances today rather than missing loads of good chances.
I've seen post match comments and it was a common conclusion that we were having hard times dealing with dynamic players in midfield as Casemiro&Eriksen were no match for Real Madrid players. It's a bit sad that to hear we have exactly the same issue than we had last season, but preseason and such I guess. Our attacking game was not structured apparently but it's hardly breaking news if you're playing with no striker. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong with this summary. The bolded part is still mostly down to lack of stiker though.
 
Thinking about the game after some reflection, I think EtH viewed this more as a high intensity workshop for him to tinker with the team and players. Bruno on the right to see what Mainoo could do was fine, but once Mainoo went off, the experiment should have ended. Bruno has to play centrally to influence the game. Eriksen just wasn’t ready it looked.

So many curious decisions today, including Rashford centrally. I do t think EtH was all that bothered about winning or losing. He wanted to test certain ideas and did so, which I think is the right idea for a pre-season match.

McTominay, Williams, Pellistri all showed they have something to offer. I know McT is on the auction block, but if he had been brought on instead of Eriksen, we wouldn’t have lost the midfield (or at least as badly). McT disrupted their midfield and his energy made up for some lethargy elsewhere on the pitch.
 
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This thread is peak daft. Pre-season match with new players in key positions, playing against one of the best sides in the world, who are way more settled than us and arguably deserving a draw is suddenly the end of the world? It’s past daft, it’s mental.

For those claiming Kane would have fixed all our woes we have relatively recently had Zlatan, Cavani and Ronaldo, all goal scorers who came off high scoring seasons and scored goals for us to some degree. They didn’t magically cure our defensive issues. We didn’t win the title with them. Spunking the entire transfer budget on one player would be the definition of stupid. We needed, need, reinforcements all over the pitch. This season is about progression. We have needed this rebuild for many seasons and have tried the sticking plaster approach for too long.
Way too erudite and sensible for this forum.
 
Can't comment on the full game but from the extended highlights it looked like they had a lot of joy on the transition and had a lot more chances than us.

Maybe the full game paints a different picture but looked like when they won the ball back they were able to get into dangerous positions on the counter quite easily.

Seen the talk about needing a striker but from what I saw the problem was creating chances today rather than missing loads of good chances.
Where did you see the extended highlights ? Looking for them myself
 
This result in itself is no big deal but the game is a reminder that the problems of last season are still there and will be until we get another three players in. Hoping Mainoo is one of those.
 
Can't comment on the full game but from the extended highlights it looked like they had a lot of joy on the transition and had a lot more chances than us.

Maybe the full game paints a different picture but looked like when they won the ball back they were able to get into dangerous positions on the counter quite easily.

Seen the talk about needing a striker but from what I saw the problem was creating chances today rather than missing loads of good chances.

I didn't see the game but possibly why we didn't miss a lot of good chances is because we don't have a striker or focal point to create chances for.

If no one is their, then it's pointless to put the ball in those areas.

We have a long season ahead, even if we get the atalanta striker, he's very much a top prospect rather than a top striker. I think goals are going to be difficult to come by. I think we should be expecting to achieve a consolidation in champions league spots and hopefully the takeover will take place then next summer we can realistically go for top strikers.

Looking forward to the season but expectations need to be realistic. We're unlikely to do any better than 3rd
 
Thinking about the game after some reflection, I think EtH viewed this more as a high intensity workshop for him to tinker with the team and players. Bruno on the right to see what Mainoo could do was fine, but once Mainoo went off, the experiment should have ended.

So many curious decisions today, including Rashford centrally. I do t think EtH was all that bothered about winning or losing. He wanted to test certain ideas and did so, which I think is the right idea for a pre-season match.

McTominay, Williams, Pellistri all showed they have something to offer. I know McT is on the auction block, but if he had been brought on instead of Eriksen, we wouldn’t have lost the midfield (or at least as badly).
That isn't curious at all tbh, it's second-to last resort (Sancho as "false 9" is the last resort) in case we don't have any strikers, what is exactly the current situation.

90% chance we start the season with Rashford as CF, so this isn't even a test at this point. Bruno at RW was the only test I think, and I thought it made sense on paper - and for the first few minutes before we lost Mainoo. Agree about McTominay but Eriksen needs game time, and that should be priority over winning a preseason game as you said.
 
Decent enough performance for a pre-season game. Onana and AWB being the highlights of the game. We lack striking power up front and Eriksen cannot compete against the top midfields in the game. Plenty to build on for the future
 
It's only pre season but the same problems are clear, bullied physically and a lack of cutting edge up top.
 
Desperate for a striker, can see why he’s after Hojlund, someone to get on the end of crosses/driven balls and knock it in. Gutted about Kobbie, hope it’s not serious. Good to have a run out against a great team in pre season regardless of the result. Great run from Mctominay in the second half too, would have been a great goal if he’d have finished that off.
 
In which alternate reality were we bullied in this game?

It was a narrow defeat to one of the best teams in Europe. An offside goal and a last minute wonder goal after 9 subs were made. United had good chances and I saw plenty of fight in the players. The players will get more from that game than beating some German division 2 side 8-0
 
People equate some crazy reflex stops to being good at shot stopping, when in truth aside from 1 or 2 seasons DDG was average at best. But, we'll be hearing this shite everytime a goal goes in, Onana has been brought in to help the team play a certain way. In one game you can see straight away how he operates and the impact it has.

Onana has some crazy reflex stops as well, at Ajax he made some impossible stops and they changed their training of goalkeepers in the youth acadamy to some things Onana did.


This is from a Dutch article a couple of months ago translated with google:


It is striking that Onana has prevented goals that seem certain, especially in the bottom corners. This is due to a posture that Ajax initially wanted to unlearn.

Until the sports scientists at Ajax decided to test Onana's deviant technique.

Ask any Dutch goalkeeper coach what the ideal position is for a goalkeeper and chances are the answer will be: the feet should be shoulder width apart.

So they looked strange at Ajax when Onana made his entrance. His legs were much wider than shoulder width for a shot, an unorthodox technique he had apparently taught himself at Barcelona.

That intrigued Vosse de Boode. Ajax's head of sports science and data analysis decided to investigate with her department whether the assumptions about keepers were correct. "We used to think we knew how a keeper had to be ready," she told the science program Kennis van Nu. 'We gradually found out that this is not the case at all. A lot of things that we youth players have learned are not optimal for a shot from close range.'

Ajax experimented with numerous questions. How deep do you bend your knees? How wide will you stand? What is the Optimum?

This appears to be subtly different for every keeper. That depends on leg length, push-off power and the angle in which you leave most easily. The most important lesson is that goalkeepers should not drop, but push off when shooting towards the bottom corner. That turns out to be Onana's greatest strength.

"Onana dived to the corner much faster than our own keepers," De Boode said in the podcast POM. 'That wider stance made it much easier to push off to the corner. Actually almost like a skater does. With the narrow position you actually only went up. But the goal is wider than it is high. So you actually have to use your power to the side.'

Onana naturally does this exceptionally well. Together with his explosiveness, that has brought him to the final of the Champions League. And in the Ajax youth keepers are now trained according to his standards.
 
Let's face it, one offside goal and a last minute great goal in a pre-season friendly isn't the harbinger of doom. I was disappointed with Casemiro and Ericksen. We missed Mainoo's energy. Garnacho had his moments, Shaw and AWB look likely to be 1st choice fb. Onana looks promising. Bruno has to be central. Rashford looked a bit lacking in energy. But it's pre-season. In a couple of weeks time will be the time to start griping....something which never changes on here
 
This was so fecking stupid anyway. Why do we have to face these crowd-photoshopping pricks in preseason and why does it always happen when the preseason is in US? Should have had a proper match against Wrexham as promised and advertised instead. This was supposed to be a rest day. I'd say karma has bitten the club in the arse, they tricked thousands of paying fans for Wrexham match, advertised by Fergie himself. There's nothing good that came out of this match outside of Madrid fans gloating in my Telegram group. Actually it's not even good for me. Feck off.

"Good for fitness" does not count. Any team would have been good for fitness. Fecking glazernomics.

is this some kind of satire?
 
Pre season or not.

This is the quality we are going to face in the champions league. Doubtful if we will make it past the group or the second round.

We do not have the elite mentality or the game to face these big giants. We used to be one of them and now we are at least a couple of tiers below.

Ten Hag really had his hands full.
Hyperbole much?
 
Onana was the highlight. What a huge upgrade from the last United keeper

Eriksen should be relegated to emergency backup or used in cup games against poor opponents.

We need a striker. Two strikers even. We need them now. No, yesterday. Just buy some fecking strikers
Not even an exaggeration - we need Amrabat asap as expecting nothing from Eriksen this season. As for strikers I agree that we need two. We cannot count Martial with his injury record so better to just see it as a bonus when he is actually available.
 
We seem to have the same problems -
1) We don't have enough goal scorers. If Rashford scoring rate dips we are fkd. Hojlund will help but not enough.
2) We dont have a second defensive 6/8. To either replace Casemiro or play alongside him in games where we need more defensive stability. Arambat will help play alongside him. Mainoo as well. But I doubt they can replace him as a single pivot.
3) Our attack seems disjointed. Its more hit and hope/ individual skill than a smooth pre-planned transitions.

I'm hoping we somehow magically get 2 strikers and somehow one of our right wingers can both learn to assist and score
 
Telles was world class at set pieces before we signed him

5 months later he couldn't hit a cows arse with a banjo
He just lost his ability? How many did he score or take before and after coming to United?
 
You're fighting a losing battle, mate. Last summer, after the Liverpool match, the place was filled with folk thinking we were going to be title contenders. Because, in Football Manager world, Ten Hag would either transform the team into world beaters overnight or he would be completely shite. There's no middle ground. I'm already worried that if we get anything less than second place on goal difference to City these same folk will be demanding that all of the players are sacked and Old Trafford is nuked because "it's not good enough" and so forth.

Miserable, miserable, fecking cnuts everywhere, man... It's even bringing me down to their miserable level. Which is the fecking point; trying to make everyone feel as shite as they do... Anyway. Time for sleep. This has been my Ted Twat Talk.
Totally agree! It's the same posters on repeat in almost every thread.
 
...or Van Gaals first preseason, I think it was a USA tour as well. Hardly ever saw this team playing such brillant football. We all know how that ended.
We lost to Fulham (i think) in the opener at O.T. Damn what a lot down :lol: