Why would we do that?
Why would we do that?
Wow the doom n gloomers in here...
Not only are they struggling in England for the last 6 weeks and are in no way certs for the title, you have your potential 3 titles in 4 years fact wrong as well.
Keep sipping that inferiority complex cool aid.
True.
That's why I think Arsenal would be the ideal destination for Pep once Wenger leaves in 2017.
He's already channeling Herbert Chapman's legendary tactics in some of his Bayern lineups. Their playstyle and the players technical level would cater to his coaching. And last but not least it would be epic to win the first European Cup of their history for them too.
That way he could either take another year off or stay another year in his current, very comfortable, situation.
Makes a lot of sense IMO
With the way some fans are thinking, what would the chelsea fans should be thinking now? mass suicide?
The truth is we're just in a bad moment with the wrong man in charge, that's it, we aren't crumbling or fading away and even if we miss out on pep and ancelotti we'll still be fine long term imo. The same can be said for chelsea even if they miss out on CL football next season and sack mourinho, it won't be goodbye chelsea and enter spurs.
The truth is we're just in a bad moment with the wrong man in charge, that's it, we aren't crumbling or fading away and even if we miss out on pep and ancelotti we'll still be fine long term imo. The same can be said for chelsea even if they miss out on CL football next season and sack mourinho, it won't be goodbye chelsea and enter spurs.
I think Pep is the Wesley Sneijder of managers.
What bullshit 
This is just a clickbait article based off us losing
This is just a clickbait article based off us losingDefinitely Skype or FaceTime now.Dafuq does 'upgrading contact' even mean?
Were they paging each other before, and have now upgraded to WhatsApping? Or dare I even say a cheeky phone call?
Ive been trying to stay positive for sometime. I have to say, this defeat has upset me more than the Wolfsburg one. It's dawned on me that this coach can't motivate these players and things could start slipping away from us very fast.
Reads like a clickbait article to be honest. Internet usage of United fans is high after the Bournemouth defeat, and there's outrage against Van Gaal => publish a (likely fictional) piece offering them the panacea called Pep. They're just giving us what we want to read in all likelihood. But even if we appoint Pep, that will just be the start of another major, painstaking up-haul - similar to the one we embarked upon during Van Gaal's first season incharge. Because to play the brand of football that Pep plays, personnel wise - we will have to add atleast 2 more forwards, 2 more midfielders, and 1 central defender to the squad - and we must hit on every signing. You can't just appoint a manager without giving him the requisite tools, so that will mean another summer where we will have to spend really big, maybe even break the club's transfer record a couple of times. Seems a bit disingenuous to slag Louis while stating that Pep would need better players, but Pep has a history of working with some of the best players around, and one might argue that the only world class player in our squad is our goalkeeper (plus Smalling who's a borderline case). The club would have to do everything in their powers to support him, and that would probably include selling Wayne before he becomes an 'integral' player/ captain under Guardiola - only to disappoint when it actually his turn to perform and lead.
If Pep ends of joining City, that would be bad enough in a vacuum. But in the real world, it would be even more annoying for United fans, because if you had asked the majority of us for our Top 3 Fergie replacements, I think most would've replied - Mourinho, Guardiola, Klopp (in no particular order). José might be an uncouth person according to some, but his record spoke for itself. And just so it happens, all three would be managing rival clubs just 3 years removed from Fergie's retirement. Might be because of the timing or circumstances or them signing pre-contracts, but we couldn't have handled the post-Fergie transition in a worse way. We knew what happened in 2002, when things went awry after Fergie retired for the first time, and we had more than a decade to prepare for the inevitable. Yet we've just made a complete mess of things.
Have zero faith in the owners to keep the club successful year in and year out unless they get outside help or appoint someone with genuine footballing pedigree to handle our setup above the manager. They lucked out by the continued presence of Fergie who dragged the team to great heights despite a lack of investment (relative to the competition), but when it was their turn to lead the club forward, they've come way short in terms of putting a sustainable system in place to continue the success. And you can draw zero comfort from the history of their other major sports team too. Because since their Super Bowl win, they've had the 15th, 5th, 23rd, 4th, 20th, 17th, 3rd, 20th, 5th, 13th, 7th, and 1st pick in the draft - which loosely translates to them being the 18th, 28th, 10th, 29th, 13th, 15th, 30th, 13th, 28th, 20th, 26th, and dead last team in a league with 32 teams. The history of ineptitude is staggering, and you hope that it doesn't translate to United. It's just really discomforting to know that we don't have a buffer of modern day football men between them and the manager/ future appointment when almost every major club has a great upper management structure in place to maintain a sense of continuity.
Anyway, if we are looking at Pep, we must be upfront about it. Nothing could be worse than serenading him for months, only to find out that he's choosing City and maybe Carlo is heading to Bayern. If Pep is coy, ditch him. Appoint Ancelotti, maybe even as early as the current season if things don't improve under the current manager and European qualification is in jeopardy. Because maybe Ancelotti's appointment will stimulate the players. Also, that way he'll atleast have the chance to assess the squad from close quarters, and then he can identify targets for the summer. Another episode with the manager starting late and shooting blindly at unrealistic targets in the July and August could set us back further (especially in a market inflated by the European Championship in France), and that will put the new manager in a disadvantageous position from the very start heading into next season.
If Pep ends of joining City, that would be bad enough in a vacuum. But in the real world, it would be even more annoying for United fans, because if you had asked the majority of us for our Top 3 Fergie replacements, I think most would've replied - Mourinho, Guardiola, Klopp (in no particular order). José might be an uncouth person according to some, but his record spoke for itself. And just so it happens, all three would be managing rival clubs just 3 years removed from Fergie's retirement. Might be because of the timing or circumstances or them signing pre-contracts, but we couldn't have handled the post-Fergie transition in a worse way. We knew what happened in 2002, when things went awry after Fergie retired for the first time, and we had more than a decade to prepare for the inevitable. Yet we've just made a complete mess of things.
Have zero faith in the owners to keep the club successful year in and year out unless they get outside help or appoint someone with genuine footballing pedigree to handle our setup above the manager. They lucked out by the continued presence of Fergie who dragged the team to great heights despite a lack of investment (relative to the competition), but when it was their turn to lead the club forward, they've come way short in terms of putting a sustainable system in place to continue the success. And you can draw zero comfort from the history of their other major sports team too. Because since their Super Bowl win, they've had the 15th, 5th, 23rd, 4th, 20th, 17th, 3rd, 20th, 5th, 13th, 7th, and 1st pick in the draft - which loosely translates to them being the 18th, 28th, 10th, 29th, 13th, 15th, 30th, 13th, 28th, 20th, 26th, and dead last team in a league with 32 teams. The history of ineptitude is staggering, and you hope that it doesn't translate to United. It's just really discomforting to know that we don't have a buffer of modern day football men between them and the manager/ future appointment when almost every major club has a great upper management structure in place to maintain a sense of continuity.
Anyway, if we are looking at Pep, we must be upfront about it. Nothing could be worse than serenading him for months, only to find out that he's choosing City and maybe Carlo is heading to Bayern. If Pep is coy, ditch him. Appoint Ancelotti, maybe even as early as the current season if things don't improve under the current manager and European qualification is in jeopardy. Because maybe Ancelotti's appointment will stimulate the players. Also, that way he'll atleast have the chance to assess the squad from close quarters, and then he can identify targets for the summer. Another episode with the manager starting late and shooting blindly at unrealistic targets in the July and August could set us back further (especially in a market inflated by the European Championship in France), and that will put the new manager in a disadvantageous position from the very start heading into next season.
Ed Woodward will feck it up and brief that we were never in for him. That's how the man works.
wait. Klopp vs. Pep. vs. Giggs and thats not considering Mourinho/Simeone/whoever or pochettino or Martinez. or. or. happytom82 goes into meltdown.
We're all a bit butthurt right now but to start saying 'City are way ahead of us' and 'We have no chance landing pep because he'll go to city' is ridiculous.
Barely anything in it. We have just as much chance landing pep as City do. Some of you need to man up. Ride the bad times, we're still in title contention ffs.
I'd post a more thorough response, but my wife's in the mood for some upgraded contact, so I best be off. I told her it's a process, but she doesn't seem deterred. The longer we've been together, the less chances I get. Just hope I finish this time. Will need a bit of luck.
Liverpool - Klopp
City - Pep
Arsenal - Wenger
Chelsea - Mourinho
United - Giggs
On the pitch, City are way ahead of us. You only have to watch a few games to see that.
As for having as much chance, Pep is great friends with the City DOF, who gave him his chance at Barca. So that could swing it very much in their favour.
Liverpool - Klopp
City - Pep
Arsenal - Wenger
Chelsea - Mourinho
United - Giggs
On the pitch, City are way ahead of us. You only have to watch a few games to see that.
As for having as much chance, Pep is great friends with the City DOF, who gave him his chance at Barca. So that could swing it very much in their favour.
But Pep will get more control if he comes here. His brother is an agent and I think he'd most likely prefer Pep coming here to line his own pockets. As Pep could buy players that are his clients. Where as Pep won't have as much control over at City.
It's probably not accurate but according to transfermarkt Pere Guardiola only has Thiago Alcantara and Luis Suarez as clients. Luis Suarez
.lol we're in intensive care. We're going through a phase where nothing is going our way. If these things had, we'd have been at the top of the table and in the next round of the champions league -This is while we're in a transitional period, have multiple injuries and have a crazy amount of kids in the first team. There is nothing wrong with United
We've simply too many players not cemented into the first team. There's no definition in this team. If we want Guardiola, we'll get him and after today, I think the club will have made it's mind up. City are not a problem. The problem was going for a manager with a self imposed sell by date, a system designed to hide deficiencies and a shallow squad because he didn't want to 'manage' players.
We've simply too many players not cemented into the first team. There's no definition in this team. If we want Guardiola, we'll get him and after today, I think the club will have made it's mind up. City are not a problem. The problem was going for a manager with a self imposed sell by date, a system designed to hide deficiencies and a shallow squad because he didn't want to 'manage' players.
First of all, his brother is HIS agent so he'll likely earn something wherever Pep moves.
Then, as mentioned numerous times, City's CEO and DoF are Sorriano and Begiri-beki-beki-stan who were vice-president and DoF respectively of Barca when Pep became coach.
If you think that Pep would be counting on more 'control' at United, and on a more cordial, fruitful and supportive relationship with Woody instead of those old buddies of his, with whom he has worked very successfully before, you are deceiving yourself.
That would make Charlton dead and cremated?
Great post.
Yup, the same way Chelsea overtook us and where primed to dominate for a decade.
Just because he has worked with them doesn't mean he'd join them. Guardiola wasn't very happy with the transfers at times when he was at Barcelona.
To a manager it is about control. We are one of few top clubs who give the manager full control.
But it's okay because we'll go after Neymar, Ronaldo, Bale, and Muller.
This seems exceptionally unlikely to happen
No, it can't happen to us.
Today, money talks. It is money and only money. And we have plenty of money. We'll get it right.
Moyes was a blast from the past, it was us clinging to a foregone era. LVG was an effort to modernize. We'll get it right eventually.
(And yes, personally I am sad to admit that football today is just a matter of money. But that's the reality. Unfortunately... )
City aren't far more attractive. They have the money and that's about it. They are a no mark club. As much as some plonkers want to make people think we're in bad shape - look where we are in the league. Look at how many young kids we played? Look how many were injured. These people are reactionaries who don't know what they're talking about
When LVG took charge, we basically lost our back four. So to protect our injuries and youth, we're ultra defensive which has made us toothless. The injuries have hit us harder then most and we won't win the league. But we're not far off. At times we've deserved nothing but at times we've been pretty unlucky. A rub of the green here and there and we'd still be in all competitions. Once we address the balance then we'll make more chances but we need a back line first and a strong core
When LVG took charge, we basically lost our back four. So to protect our injuries and youth, we're ultra defensive which has made us toothless. The injuries have hit us harder then most and we won't win the league. But we're not far off. At times we've deserved nothing but at times we've been pretty unlucky. A rub of the green here and there and we'd still be in all competitions. Once we address the balance then we'll make more chances but we need a back line first and a strong core
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Money is meaningless if it's squandered.
Why is there a random Charlton fan on here ?
I'm sure he's a plant, it's way too random.
I'm sure he's a plant, it's way too random.
sign him tonight if he will. I wouldn't trust LVG to coach my nieces 7 year old league team.
Just having a little wum-up. He knows as little or as much as rest of us, despite the proclamations.
After managing Barcelona and Bayern Munich, it's only logical he would choose United. City would be a fecking downgrade.
Is there a club who has spent hundreds of millions and not ended up among the elite in the long run?
City do play CL football tbf
We're not getting Pep. A big factor in Moyes coming in is that we wanted another Fergie type of manager in terms of longevity. The idea was that Moyes would pick up from where SAF left off and do a 10 year+ stint with us like he did with Everton. It was such a monumental disaster though we had no choice but to cut it short, hence LVG coming in to stabilise the club and build a foundation. We want him to build such a solid base that Giggs can walk in to the job and dominate just like Pep did at Barca. I'm aware that Guardiola didn't directly follow LVG at Barca but he has been credited by many in setting the foundations, as well as at Bayern too. If Giggs goes off to Swansea or wherever, I doubt he's coming back. Where would Pep be now if he'd have been asked to cut his teeth at Getafe? Giggs being LVG's assistant and understudy, the team being full of youth players and set up in an extremely disciplined manner. I'd put money on LVG having been briefed to build a team for Giggs. When we signed Martial he made a comment along the lines of "I'm buying him for my successor" in reference to Giggs. This is the plan we've set in motion.
Now the problem is that it appears LVG's is not meeting his targets. Crashing out in the group stages of the Champions League is a failure on his part, and it's looking like we have a massive battle on now to make top the top 4. The only scenario in which I can see LVG leaving before his contract is up is if we fail to make the top four. Even if we scrape top four again this season I think he'll get the third year, despite his target surely being to improve on last season's position. Pep will be at City in the summer and I reckon it's already verbally agreed as reported in the media, it'll be announced before the season is even over and we won't even make a decision on LVG before then. I don't think we have any interest in Pep Guardiola and our name is being thrown in to the mix because it's customary to link our name to every top manager and big transfer target going.
Now the problem is that it appears LVG's is not meeting his targets. Crashing out in the group stages of the Champions League is a failure on his part, and it's looking like we have a massive battle on now to make top the top 4. The only scenario in which I can see LVG leaving before his contract is up is if we fail to make the top four. Even if we scrape top four again this season I think he'll get the third year, despite his target surely being to improve on last season's position. Pep will be at City in the summer and I reckon it's already verbally agreed as reported in the media, it'll be announced before the season is even over and we won't even make a decision on LVG before then. I don't think we have any interest in Pep Guardiola and our name is being thrown in to the mix because it's customary to link our name to every top manager and big transfer target going.
We've poked him on Facebook, apparently.
Have we DM'd him on Instagram yet?
Are you suggesting we won't be playing in it next season?
When people ask questions like these. Then you know they don't know anything about Man United.