Can't help but think we looked at the fixtures and thought, we can wait for transfers. Fecking arrogance, this should have been sorted long ago. On way back after game today and we were shite, no urgency and no control. There will be excuses such as the assessment line but we need to act fast. I will be shocked if we don't spend big this week.
Manchester United transfer news and rumours for summer 2014
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss Amad saving our blushes in a win against Southampton as well as our now annual loss at home to Brighton. They discuss Amorim's post-match comments, revisit how mid-table we may or may not be, and discuss some transfer news.
I won't, I was shocked already last week.
We are a midtable team, what can we do about it ?
I just can't believe how short sighted we have been. Bringing out the cheverlot guys at half time was the icing on the cake. The fans won't keep accepting all this shit without seeing some serious investment.
Rojo
Vidal (or Stroot in jan)
Blind
Possibly di Maria
Done
Vidal (or Stroot in jan)
Blind
Possibly di Maria
Done
LvG knows we need players but is unwilling to discuss them with the press which is fair enough but we need to make a move ASAP only a couple more weeks left in the transfer window.
If it was for me, the deadline would be this week because we need those new players for the next match ASAP.
It took them 6 months to come good as well. Both had bad starts.
It shouldn't be that difficult to sign players like Vidal and Di Maria , we just need to make offers the receiving club would consider stupid to reject. Would you be ready to spend over 150m on Di Maria, Vidal and Hummels if it meant having those players in our lineup for the next game or would you call it over spending?
You could argue that players like Bale and James aren't worth what Real Madrid paid for them but they are ready to spend any amount if they want a player. What's stopping us from doing the same? The Glazers? All top clubs look at a player and if it means signing him, they're ready to pay whatever the cost.
The next 2 weeks will define our season, I hope it will define it in the right way.
You could argue that players like Bale and James aren't worth what Real Madrid paid for them but they are ready to spend any amount if they want a player. What's stopping us from doing the same? The Glazers? All top clubs look at a player and if it means signing him, they're ready to pay whatever the cost.
The next 2 weeks will define our season, I hope it will define it in the right way.
You've already spent £130m net on adding players to the squad that last won the title. Another £150m would take the total to £280m ... let's call it £250m net if you could sell players for £30m total.
£250m net spend in a period of 15 months would be unprecedented even for the sugar-daddy clubs. So yeah, I'd call it over-spending ... and most of it panic spending.
There's no such thing as over spending on much needed players. Fellaini was a panic buy, that much is obvious. Shaw was needed, we had no fullback and Herrera was a much needed addition to a problem that's been ongoing for 5 years & Mata is one of those players that you don't pass up if he's available. We've actually done pretty good business bar Fellaini, it's just our squad on a whole needs much more investment that should have been addressed in previous windows, but wasn't. Our midfield problems causes even more problems for defence and attack, we're lacking in the area that is most important.
We have neglected our back 4 and our midfield for more than 5 years, without never really addressing problems which everyone could see. Those problems need to be addressed now before it's too late.
Midfield I agree but back four ? What are you smoking, Smalling, Jones and Shaw all arrived in the last four years and that is before you consider Evans, Keane and Rafael who have all stepped up. The real feck up was in letting go of Vidic and Rio in the same window when we could have done with either especially Nemanja. I admit that it will be naive to expect consistency and leadership from any of Jones, Smalling and Evans meaning that we need a top class and experienced centre back.
You talk as if United's income is unlimited.
Besides, did you need Zaha? Did you need Mata when you already had Rooney and they both prefer to play in more or less the same position? Would Di Maria going to make much of a difference? And in any case, the likes of Hummels is way beyond you.
Besides, did you need Zaha? Did you need Mata when you already had Rooney and they both prefer to play in more or less the same position? Would Di Maria going to make much of a difference? And in any case, the likes of Hummels is way beyond you.
Real Madrid spent close to that in the summer of 2009 on Ronaldo, Kaka and Alonso. Over three windows it's not unprecedented at all.
Nothing to do with income, I clearly stated no price is too much if the player is vital to our performances. Needing to spend is different to overspending. You could of read my whole post before mentioning Mata, as you would of known my reasons for not having a problem with buying him, obviously you didn't. I also never mentioned Di Maria and many people share the same view, our attacking third is fine, it's midfield and defence that needs addressing. I look forward to another baseless reply, thanks.
So spending is nothing to do with income? That's laughable! You'd blithely accept a possible net-spend of £250m in 15 months against a backdrop of 1 season with no CL income and quite possibly another one next season. That's priceless!
You may not have mentioned Di Maria, but the poster I replied to originally did. As for Mata, your saying that he's "one of those players that you don't pass up if he's available" is stupid. You do pass on him if you don't actually need him, just as Chelsea did ... especially at the price involved.
The fact is that United have blown a net spend fortune already (since you won the title) with very little to show for it. Before your blow another fortune I'd suggest you get a better team for identifying and negotiating transfers.
We HAVE THE MONEY. Is that such a hard concept for you to wrap your brain around? I'm not going to explain it again, you obviously lack the intelligence to understand. You're welcome to name one club that's lost it's best CB partnership, the best CM, it's first choice left back AND the most influential manager of the past two decades in two years ALL without gaining a single penny to count towards your precious 'net spend'. I swear when rival fans talk about us you guys throw common sense right out the window just to try and make a point about how 'bad' we're doing, beyond obsessive.
You're an idiot, we clearly have the money to spend whether its £250million or not, no one knows. All of that money is generated by the club, we can spend it on transfers if we want to, is that so hard for you to grasp.
Maybe your just mad, because our shirt deals alone are worth more than Spurs overall yearly revenue
Wish we had signed Lovren instead of looking for a ball playing fanny. We need players who can defend and instill confidence at the back.
Way beyond us? Because we're out of the champions league for the first time in 15 or so years?!
No reason a Di Maria would come, from the European champions no less, yet a Hummels wouldn't.
I don't believe that you DO have the money to spend £250m net in 15 months. You can talk all you want about huge sponsorship deals (etc), but you also still have a big debt - a debt that £250m net spend would add to considerably - with big interest payments and face the very real prospect of 2 successive seasons without CL income and profile.
And if your club has "lost it's best CB partnership, the best CM, it's first choice left back ... in two years" ... all without adequately replacing them, then it's your club (not rival fans) that's thrown "common sense right out the window".
LvG is known to hand out his players instructions on opposition team even when the team is from division 4, so I don't think it has got anything to do with arrogance or taking the first few fixtures lightly.
Well, let me know when Hummels signs for you ... I won't hold my breath.
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Maybe your just mad, because our shirt deals alone are worth more than Spurs overall yearly revenue
You might want to re-think your calculations a tad.
If you're a top player and you want CL football, would you take a risk on us? I think it's a hard choice to make.
Rojo and Blind isn't going to change this lot.
Rojo and Blind isn't going to change this lot.
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He's settled there, even Barcelona couldn't shift him. But the point is, he's at Dortmund, not at a club we'd have no chance of shifting a top regular player from.Just ask Kagawa, although he's turned out fairly tepid in fairness.
You Tottenham fans seem to be surprisingly arrogant and cocky. I find it odd. You're neither a traditional rival or a team we've regularly been competing with, so find it quite odd you're all over every bad result of ours. The type of fans who taunt us about no Europe when you're in the Europa, a cup that most fans accept binds them.
£144m for Spurs last season wasn't it? £50m for United from Chevrolet, £20m for training kit and the new £75m deal with Adidas ~ £140m. Though obviously the adidas deal doesn't start till next season.
We might not sign Hummels but odds are there will be a significent layout between now and the window closing. We may have been a bit slow in getting players in but a new manager in a WC year is a reasonable excuse. Evaluate the squad and the clubs performance in the transfer market when the windows closed not before.
So what is it you want United fans to admit? That our deal making has been a clusterfeck? agreed, that we don't have the money to spend another £100M this summer? Not agreed, we have the income to do it this one time.
We have the income to spend £100 million + every window if the Glazers would spend our profits on transfer, not saying this is the right way to go, but with the right owners we would be a monster in the transfer market.
Yeah but I was talking about £100M more on top of the £125M we've spent since January, I can't see us spending that sort of cash very often.
It's not our fault they all left at the same time period lol.. The money has to be spent for that very reason.
We don't need to spend it every window we need to spend it for 2 - 3 windows in a row during this heavy transition phase. After that its back to normal transfer windows bringing in only what's needed.
The Welbeck one is such a non story its incredible. Van Persie's already missing a few games getting his fitness up. Hernandez looks like he could well be on his way out. No way would we therefore dream of letting Welbeck go!
I didn't. I said a few weeks ago that we needed players in and bedded in for the start of the season, that the current squad looked "mid table" and that without this, our title challenge would be all but over by Deadline Day.
I got shouted down.
Replies like "it's only mid-July (laughing smiley)" and "our current squad will win those early fixtures"
I stand by my comments.
United still needs to spend $200-250 million because the last two windows have been full of acquisitions that don't fit together.
Only the Herrera deal made any sense.
The Mata deal was a fleecing by Chelsea. Mata is one of the more overrated players in the PL.
Shaw was far too expensive a deal not to mention that it's likely that the benefits of the deal won't be seen for a few seasons.
Fellaini is a squad player that only works in one system.
120 million spent and there still a massive hole in the midfield no leadership at the back, poor depth, and lack of a "farm system".
United is far far behind the top clubs in Europe and each day it gets worse.
Only the Herrera deal made any sense.
The Mata deal was a fleecing by Chelsea. Mata is one of the more overrated players in the PL.
Shaw was far too expensive a deal not to mention that it's likely that the benefits of the deal won't be seen for a few seasons.
Fellaini is a squad player that only works in one system.
120 million spent and there still a massive hole in the midfield no leadership at the back, poor depth, and lack of a "farm system".
United is far far behind the top clubs in Europe and each day it gets worse.
We really need to start being ruthless more than anything. We need to put a certain standard and if a player doesn't perform consistently at a certain level that's required, he's sold no matter the price he was signed for. It's these declining standards that have led us further down the table and our rivals further up.
Get rid of Nani, Anderson, Fellaini and Hernandez asap. Should be able to fund parts of the Benatia and Rojo transfers.