Manchester United transfer news and rumours for summer 2014
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One of the Sunday rags saying we'll make one last bid of £30m for Hummels then £17m for Blind when we get knocked back by Dortmund.
30m will be refused flat out.. Waste of time even faxing/emailing that.
17m for blind seems a bit steep though, suppose the joys of a proposed having a decent World Cup.
Vidals the key for me. vidal would have more of an impact on our season alone than courdrado + a CB in my opinion.
I think this week might be our last reasonable chance to sign anybody. We're likely to win our first 2-3 games in the PL and that would make LVG feel good about the squad and have less urge to upgrade it.
Totally agree.i just want Utd to sign Vidal.
I'd give my toes to actually sign anyone!
Even a corner flag minder. I don't care at this stage!!
Even a corner flag minder. I don't care at this stage!!
I think the Hummels situation typifies it for me. A top quality player in a position we desperately need to strengthen and if reports are true we're seemingly still trying to get him on the cheap. When you want to buy a player a club doesn't want to sell you need to pay sometimes well over the odds to get him. All around us clubs are doing business but we don't seem capable of that.
22 days and counting.
22 days and counting.
I openly blame our CEOs and Fergie for putting up and maintaining an outdated culture of refusing to pay over the odds even though our needs in certain positions are crying out loud. In certain cases, we pay over the odds, but we don't in others. People have enough of seeing us without a consistent line of conduct that would help us get whoever we want according to the laws of the market.
Sunday Supplement is back today and they are discussing United and V Gaal now, maybe they will talk about the players we are getting linked with.
Is it just me who doesn't rate Hummels? Lacking any pace whatsoever and turns like a 3 ton army truck.
He's a great defender but I agree about having no pace that wouldn't be great in the premier league. Benatia in my opinion would be much more suited if we can get him of course as there was a suggestion yesterday that Chelsea was going in for him, plus Roma are not the best club to negotiate with.
No, you aren't the only one. There are people who think the same as well as a whole bunch of people who overrate him.
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Why that overemphasis on pace? For all that we know, I don't recall either John Terry or Rio to have that much pace while splitting the glory at the peak of their respective careers. The reason why I rate Hummels is because he knows how to compensate his so-called lack of pace and how to stop an opponent dead in his tracks. He is a nice mix of Vidic-like abilities and Rio-like abilities.
I would take that army truck who has more high-level winning experience than most players of his age bracket long before a guy who hasn't never been in that kind of spotlight nor won anything wherever he played before. If the new CB is expected to be the new deputy in the back 3 or back 4 (which will be necessary considering how none of our CBs is that kind of leader), better for us to find someone who has already shown that he can be a presence both on the pitch and in the dressing room. If Benatia is to cost us around £30M while unproven in high-pressure situations, that kind of money and a little more would be better spent on someone who has been there and done it all in his current environment.
What are you smoking over there? Rio was rapid until he hit 30/31, it used to get him out of trouble a lot. Someone like Hyypia would be a better example.
In most cases clubs won't be willing to sell any of their top players with no time to replace them. I fear that if we don't act until the season starts, we won't be able to get more than 1 in. I said the same thing last summer with 19 days to go in the window and 6 days to go to the start of the season. We won't sign any top players unless we do it before the first game. August is right about the time when clubs start holding you at ransom as deadline day quickly approaches.
I'm extremely bored with this window now. I think I want a clear out more than I want to sign a player at the moment. Anderson, Fellaini, Nani and Zaha need to go. Hernandez should leave for his sake. The quicker we get rid of these players, the more time we have to replace them.
The PL is fast paced and LVG needs a ball playing CB and although Hummels is quality his pace is lacking and the most important point is that at the minute Dortmund will not be selling him. If someone like Benetia is available we have got to try and get him, considering Vermaelen is going to Barca. Vidic wasn't proven in the PL either!
I agree unless our academy was Churning out academy players, but they were not. Failing to produce players from the academy, and unwilling to overpay on players to strengthen our weakened area's. Perhaps fergie still thought there were Vidic and Evra type bargains on the market
What is the advantage of getting rid of players before we sign new ones?
Two of the best central defenders the game has ever seen were also among the slowest you'd ever wish to see - Beckenbauer and Moore. Why were they the best? Because they knew what was going to happen and where it was going to happen before it happened. You don't need pace if you can read the game.
The whole game has changed since then defenders were purely defenders and would rarely venture outside their own half. I agree about being able to read the game and I know that's also something LVG rates highly intelligent footballers but the main problem with Hummels is that he is not for sale! So pace or no pace we ain't getting him, let's move on and see what else is out there!
You got some kind of memory disorder? Rio was near impossible to out pace in his prime! He was lightening fast when needed, but read the game so well hardly needed to get out of 2nd gear!
Yea hahaha, too say rio had no pace, he must have watched Ferdinands final few years of his career, and even then he still Had some pace. The reason rio and Vidic worked like a boss, they could cover each other's weakness's
Especially when there was a drug tester about!
Oh god yeah I remember that!Especially when there was a drug tester about!
Well maybe Sir Alex did think it was. He rated Cleverley on par with Thiago.
Even if cleverley turned out to be a world class midfielder, united were still short on allot of area's at the time
I might be wrong but did we even attempt to sign a midfield in Fergie's last three summer windows?
We made an offer for Modric but Spurs wouldn't let him go to United (they'd rather get a smaller fee from Real Madrid) and I think it is pretty much confirmed we made a move for Sneijder. All other midfield talents we just let pass us by.
Jesus Christ lads we're not in the champions league it's not that easy to get players that are. If we sign 5 players from champions league clubs this season we'll probably have to pay them all 200,000 a week
Yes, but we are where we are and if we want these players we'll have to pay whatever it takes.
Were we not told though, that a lack of CL football would be no bar to signing top players?
We were after one or two, but it seems to me looking into how united went about their business from 2009 to 2012, we will get has much blood out of a stone has possible from their point of view. Trying to compete with man city, chelsea in the PL, in Europe trying to compete with Madrid, Barca, Bayern etc etc, with a tight budget under fergie. And the life cycle of fergie's last great squad was 2006 to 2011, but he kept getting blood out of a stone with a squad's life cycle coming to an end well after its time. Change should have come against barca in may 2011, but we kept going with the same squad without any serious editions
If we look at united's spending between 2009-2012
in 4 years we spent about just over 100 million in 4 years, and since ronaldo left, our next world class signing was RVP in 2012, and not once was a CM signed. Quiet a record, our last CM signing was 2007, and it took 7 years for the next one, if people count fellaini has a CM signing then it is 6 years
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Hopefully with a bit of luck, we finally see some decent movement this coming week. 6 days until Swansea and LvG is back a week, settled and all that after having assessed the squad.
I'm thinking a nice 55m bid accepted by Real this evening
I'm thinking a nice 55m bid accepted by Real this evening
I don't think it works like that. If we have a good thing going on players will know that we'd be back in CL next season. For example footballers moving from Ajax, Porto, Sporting etc. know well they have a better chance to not only be in CL but also win it at some point here. I think we will be in CL final within 5 years.
Hmmm becoming sceptical now that anything major is going to happen.
Maybe Woody was over confident in who he could sign.
Maybe Woody was over confident in who he could sign.
It is a bit of a myth we are finding it hard signing players, when we are in Europe the club were not exactly attracting the best players, we lost our best player in 2009.When we were champions of England in 2009, 2011 and 2013. Let us not forget how the midfield was not strengthened for 6 to 7 years when we were champions and in europe. So it is not the fact we are not in Europe, its the way the club has done business all these years in the transfer market, especially under fergie between 2009 to 2012
If we end up the window with the two players we have signed already it will be a blunder by Woodward IMO. After abysmal season fans wanted assurances about club's future more than anything and we would end up with more departures than incoming transfers and would have to count mainly on LvG magic. It has been awfuly quiet these past couple of weeks which makes me think it is a possbility. We still have a good team capable of getting top 4, t's just not as good as Manchester United should aim for.