sounds like we won't have any more in or out before the end of the tour at least, he wants to evaluate the players first before letting people leave or brining players in, which makes sense, if he can get more from some players then good, if not he will sign instead
Manchester United transfer news and rumours for summer 2014
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss Amad saving our blushes in a win against Southampton as well as our now annual loss at home to Brighton. They discuss Amorim's post-match comments, revisit how mid-table we may or may not be, and discuss some transfer news.
Not when your midfield options going into the new season consist of herrera fletcher cleverly fellaini anderson with carrick injured, it does not get any better when its young valencia and nani to choose from out wide, adding the fact we have lost all 3 of ferdinand vidic evra, and LVG has inherited a brittle set of defenders who on average get injured 2 months, and when they return they are most likely injured, AGAIN. Herrera is expected to carry this midfield. and he's a newbie in the PL.
So it is not FM, its reality. There big problems within the squad, and apart from luke shaw, ferdinand vidic and carrick need long term replacements, and the squad is a worry especially when our attacking options do not really dove and tail, when none of them have any pace, and we have way too many number 10's. If your attack has no pace, and the midfield is very immobile and not very creative and gets overrun week in week out, its a recipe for disaster. The big Spanish clubs in Spain have mobility and pace, the Germans work hard but they have power and drive to overpower teams, as Germany do and bayern can do before guadiola changed that approach.
I do not think our midfield has pace mobility or creativity what so ever, they gets overrun every game because at this level, they are not good enough, bayern was the final coffin in what this midfield truly is. The squad is infested with too many number 10's, a brittle defence, and an attack that is not the quickest. So yes we need a facelift, problem? its going to take time, and unless we make top 4, its going to be hard to attract top players, the harsh reality of 7th
So you're fine with LVG allowing the likes of Young, Nani, Cleverley, Smalling, Anderson and Valencia to give all United fans even more painful performances to remind everyone how poor they are? Those 5 players in particular (notice that I didn't add Fellaini in there) have been serial failures for more than one year already. There's nothing more left to get from them. If any those 5 spots should be left open for a couple of signings and a few youth players to fill.
We are in serious need to find a new leader in midfield, and no young mid will grow up adequately unless you find that leader and sell all the deadwood plaguing our midfield unit.
How many years does this squad dodge the bullet? in how badly some of these players are, especially midfield. We will be lucky to make the top 4 if its the same midfield going into the new season, that is for sure. Some of these midfielders like fletcher anderson and nani have been here since 2007, and we are in 2014, and none of them are good enough any more, is it going to take another 7th place finish? to realize they are out of their depth at this level
That area has been left so long without proper signings, even a signing like herrera cannot improve our squad, because too much garbage is already in the midfield area for starters. That is like paying down a 200k debt, and paying back 50K of it, the problem is still there
I'm a bit sceptical about this business of evaluating the players over the next 3 or 4 weeks, due mainly to the fact that we play our first league game at 12.45pm on 16th August - only 4 weeks tomorrow. It'd be a bit silly in my view to be deciding we need new signings when the first league game is already upon us, particularly in a season where we need to make a fast start if we're going to be anywhere in contention.
I have a feeling the wheels may start turning on the signings front a bit sooner than that - assuming the Glazers are prepared to make the money available. Even if they do I don't expect any world class signings.
Then again, there may be no more new signings - something I feel is the more likely scenario judging by the way things are going.
I have a feeling the wheels may start turning on the signings front a bit sooner than that - assuming the Glazers are prepared to make the money available. Even if they do I don't expect any world class signings.
Then again, there may be no more new signings - something I feel is the more likely scenario judging by the way things are going.
The 3 - 4 weeks thing is just a smokescreen, its obvious we're going to buy.
He can't very well come out and say it though, transfer business is best done in private.
He can't very well come out and say it though, transfer business is best done in private.
I don't know Van Gaal is a manager known to work with has his got, he probably thinks if Sir Alex won the title with an average bunch of CM's (excluding Herrera) he can do the same.
I'm not saying we dont need additions, quite the opposite, we need 2, 3 more players for this season at least and our midfield is really in a dire situation. It's just that people are going about marquee signings too much. I'm sure LVG knows what kind of players he need and they dont have to be so called 'signings'.
Probably not.
Our first 5 league games are all against opponents even Moyes could have won against, that is without good signings like Herrera and Shaw. I doubt there's any rush. I think what van Gaal was trying to say, but of course couldn't at a press conference, is "I want to see just how much of last season's downfall was Moyes' fault." He wants to see how this squad will perform under more competent management and evaluate things from there. If we had Chelsea in the 2nd league game and City in the 4th, then there was something to rush for. But with our opening fixtures in mind, I think van Gaal can have the commodity to use the tour as a proving ground and make his judgement after it's over, then start signing.
wtf daily star saying Toure turned down United after City accepted 40m bid. How is making things up in the media even legal?
The worst thing is people will actually believe it, and it's only people dumb enough to read The Star that are dumb enough to believe something like that.
Maybe but I can understand PPL acting like that when we see the shit in our squad, we need players better than what we have got, not better, but miles better, because I cannot seeing us getting far with the shower of shit we currently have in midfield
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I am hoping the 3-4 weeks comments were more about not making ourselves look desperate to buy/sell players but I don’t expect much to happen when we are on tour. Do trust LVG to get more from the players but there are gaping holes in the squad that not even he can correct without adding new players, a new cb and cm are essential and a winger, another cm and cover at fullback would improve us dramatically, 7 players in one window is clearly not going to happen though so another 2 or 3 on top of shaw and Herrera is probably the maximum number of new additions.
Vidal is the only marquee signing I can see us making but that doesn’t look good at the moment, I can’t see Reus or Hummels being sold and Di Maria is probably unrealistic as well, so expecting us to sign players like De Vrij, Vermalen, Blind, Depay, Alex Song etc.
Vidal is the only marquee signing I can see us making but that doesn’t look good at the moment, I can’t see Reus or Hummels being sold and Di Maria is probably unrealistic as well, so expecting us to sign players like De Vrij, Vermalen, Blind, Depay, Alex Song etc.
A CM and a CB would put us in a very strong position to get back in the top 4.
Anymore than 4 signings in a single window risks that it will go horribly wrong IMO.
Well we are wasting money on more shit, remember better than what we have got, not slightly better. Which always exposes the myth we are the biggest in the world, if we that is our signings
It would if they are top quality players like Hummels and Vidal but if not then it will be a big ask to finish above Arsenal, Chelsea or City and we will be in a battle with Liverpool and maybe Spurs for 4th. I agree signing 5 or 6 in one window is too much but at some point we will have to, last summer we needed a lb and 2 cm's who were first team players we got none of those. We now have shaw and herrera but are still one short of what we needed last year so we are still playing catch up. Since last summer it's become apparent we need a winger and a cb to come into the first team so we are still 3 short at least and that isn't taking into account the lack of depth in cm and fb.
I dont believe for a second That we are done in the market. With the current squad we would struggle getting 4th and another year without CL would be catastrophic. We need at least another CM, a CB and a winger.
I agree but I can’t see the Glazers agreeing to spend another £80-£120m on the squad after they have shelled out £60m already and £60m odd last season so I think we need to be realistic about the calibre of players who are likely to arrive. The improvement will come from players being better suited to his system rather than being huge upgrades on what we have in terms of ability.
Hm it seems Manchester City want to sell Matija Nastasic ... I doubt they would sell him to us, and they would at least double his price but anyone thinks he could be a potential next Vidic (although a bit different in style)?
There is no chance we will finish above City, Chelsea and Arsenal, a top 4 finish would be a massive achievement and no one should be looking beyond that IMO.
Not if we get a CB and CM we wont.
I think there's absolutely no way we'll be top 10 next season. Staying up will be an achievement IMO.
Hopefully we can make a challenge in the Championship. Im not convinced though, there is a lot of scrappy teams in that league and I dont think the likes of Rooney and Van Persie have a chance.
I think 2 or 3 years in the Championship and we might be able to make it into play-offs. There's no way we'll finish above Nottingham, Leeds and Barnsley in our first season.
Your right, I should check my expectations, I think if we hover above the relegation zone and perhaps get a draw against Leeds and Wolves well be ok. Tough ask at Ellen Road but we should have Owen Coyle in charge by then so I hope he can rally the troops, get rid of all the foreign players and play the classic british way.
I think since we are rebuilding we should expect an improvement of a place a year, by 2025 we should be back in the Prem.
muppet season gets stranger every year. We have to allow LVG to assess his squad before he runs off everyone we don't rate.
We already have Herrera and if we get Vidal somehow that's already a better midfield. Maybe one more CM, CB and a winger and suddenly we have a very good squad.
What exactly has Smalling done wrong when hes been played in the correct position?
He has done nothing wrong but look at his list he puts Nani and Valencia two players who creates a huge number of occasions, yeah they are frustrating but they creates things, and for Anderson he has never been a bad player, on the contrary his only problem is his fitness which is enough to get rid of him.
Excellent sarcasm, do you really think there is any chance we will finish above all 3 of those teams.
No, I don't think that a team who was consistently in the title fight for several years improved by two very good players and with a very good manager in charge is capable of finishing above Arsenal who haven't finished higher than 4th in ages. It's certainly completely IMPOSSIBLE that we will finish ahead any of them becasue you say so.
If we get a decent CB and a decent CM our team will be about as good as theirs. If we get a winger on top of that we'll be title challengers, definitely.
de Gea
Rafael new CB Evans/Smalling/Jones Shaw
Herrera new CM
Mata Rooney new winger
van Persie
It'd be a cracking team. CM is the most important, then CB, then winger (we could play Valencia, Kagawa or Januzaj there). If we sign no one then Arsenal are the only team of these three that we could finish above.
What a load of shite.Smalling's been shit when he's played out of position. He's a good centre back and hasn't been a 'serial failure for more than a year' there at all, not even close.
You are only saying top 4 would be a "massive achievement" because of Moyes' Dreaded season though. He's gone, brother.
I am not fine with it at all and while I get him wanting to see the current players under a new system, we all know most of the midfielders are shit so maybe we can save himself a month of watching them feck about and buy a fecking midfielder.
The spirit of Moyes remains, people still think we have an awful, awful terrible team that can't compete because smug Scot has told them so.
I'd imagine he's weighing up which of the players at his disposal will make the squad rather than the first team. I'm sure he's aware we need at least 1 more starting midfielder (if not two after Carrick), a couple of defenders to replace for Vidic Rio and Evra and it would make no sense to wait until after the tour to make moves on this, especially as LVG wont be doing any of the negotiating. I'm sure our transfer business has been well under way for some time now and I'm reasonably confident we'll start the season with a much better team and squad than last season.
Exactly this, look at how Liverpool used the midweek break to sustain a challenge til the last hurdle. Title contenders is not beyond our reach.
I'm pretty sure that evaluating the players will be mainly to decide who's going to leave more than who we should sign.
I'm willing to bet my house that we're going to make at least 3 major signings, during the next month van gaal will decide whether he'll need to sign better squad players or not.
I'm willing to bet my house that we're going to make at least 3 major signings, during the next month van gaal will decide whether he'll need to sign better squad players or not.
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Sure, you can be your house anyday!