I'm sure Woodward is aware of the time of manager/person LVG is, and that he won't accept deals being made over his head.
Not to mention that Cavani isn't that big of a name and he'd cost a fortune.
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I'm sure Woodward is aware of the time of manager/person LVG is, and that he won't accept deals being made over his head.
Not to mention that Cavani isn't that big of a name and he'd cost a fortune.
Doesn't matter how good the ingredients are if the chefs crap the food will be as well, SAF with Mata, Fellaini and Januzaj would have won the league and I'm sure Van Gaal will as well with or without new signings.
I've heard a lot of people bemoan the fact that we haven't acted quickly like Chelsea or liverpool, but I can guarantee that if we had bought Emre Can people would have gone ballistic "not United quality" and "from Kroos to this unknown"
I know I'm optimistic but I can't help it really looking forward to the new season, hopefully with some great transfers, but if not well it can't be any worse than last year can it?
Perhaps we have actually asked our army of scouts to do some fecking work form a change and they have found some decent players that are not going to cost us tens of millions of pounds.
You know, like other clubs do.
There is nothing that gets on my wick more than watching blatantly obviously good players moving to clubs for peanuts while we stand by and mull over established players with no interest in moving no matter what money you throw at them.
We don't need world class players, we just need better than what we have now, of which there are hundreds of players to choose from.
I am talking about the midfield by the way.
You know, like other clubs do.
There is nothing that gets on my wick more than watching blatantly obviously good players moving to clubs for peanuts while we stand by and mull over established players with no interest in moving no matter what money you throw at them.
We don't need world class players, we just need better than what we have now, of which there are hundreds of players to choose from.
I am talking about the midfield by the way.
Before they even got CL football, City were able to sign many top players like Silva, Yaya Toure etc... Money sometimes talks more than CL football. Glazers need to realize they will have to pay top dollar to stay competitive.
Baines didn't want to leave anyway; no harm, no foul. We got Fellaini. The Fabregas bid isn't looking so silly now, is it? He was obviously encouraged by the Fabregas side of things.
I think it is deluded personally to say that Van Gaal 'will win the league regardless of us making any new signings or not'. I mean, on what basis exactly? Us getting LVG in just gives us a class manager. Welcome to the club, several other teams have class managers too. We will not win the lrague with a more rubbish team than at least 3 of the other lot.
Just buy some good football players. It isn't a groundbreaking concept for a good football club.
It is, isn't it? I said it before- it's like some people forget that we finished 7th in the league AND there is no certainty that we will get back either. We are in really poor position to sign players we need.
Until the season starts I won’t blame neither of van Gaal and Woodward. We really, really don’t know what is happening out there.
@Wibble
Laporte is a young Frenchmen playing for Bilbao, being courted by Barcelona and Bayern Munich. He's a superb defender and was in La Ligas Team of the year. Laporte has said recently that he's happy at Bilbao.
Ginter is a young German playing for Freiburg (at the World Cup), being courted by a number of clubs. Again a superb defender but Dortmund are favourites to sign him.
Laporte is a young Frenchmen playing for Bilbao, being courted by Barcelona and Bayern Munich. He's a superb defender and was in La Ligas Team of the year. Laporte has said recently that he's happy at Bilbao.
Ginter is a young German playing for Freiburg (at the World Cup), being courted by a number of clubs. Again a superb defender but Dortmund are favourites to sign him.
Surely Woodward has to take some responsibility for that as well? He appointed David Moyes and he failed to bring in any quality players last summer.
No it was Fergie
Sorry but the Glazer family own the club and Ed Woodward is the chief executive. If they considered asking Fergie who he thought it should be and just giving them the job without proper due diligence was the correct process then it is their fault.
Moyes was appointed before Woodward was though wasn't he? Seems you are just trying to push more blame on Woody.
Gill announced he was going well before the end of the season and Woodward was confirmed as his replacement in February 2013. I'm not sure how involved he was in the Moyes appointment, I'm not trying to push the blame on him for anything but the club has been a mess over the last year and he's been in a senior role.
It was announced but he didn't take over until Gill left which was after Moyes was confirmed, just like Moyes was confirmed but he didn't take over until the summer after Fergie left.
Yes the club messed up, but again like I said I don't see how Woody can be blamed on the Moyes appointment.
I am willing to give him a chance still, but his prep work last season was abysmal
Sorry I hadn't really read the full conversation. I presume he would have been involved but you're right, it's not fair to blame him for something where we can only speculate about his role.
I think we need a director of football, I think Woodward's in over his head.. He has a tough summer ahead esp. with LvG having to deal with the WC.. I dont want to soubd pessimistic but Woodward doesn't give me the confidence to believe we'll sign the players we need to rebuild the team
I agree, its early days I know but without stating the obviously the deals to date weren't exactly the hardest to make. Woody had pretty much the rest of the season to ensure the other deals. I know LVG may have had his own targets but you cant tell me there aren't overlaps? Kroos, Cesc, Sanchez, Shaw et al are pretty universal. The other side of it is if there are players of say a lesser standing, surely those would be easier to put in place now whilst you trash out the bigger targets?
Chelsea obviously had identified Costa, a premium player from Liga champions, and got the deal done for 32m?
Am I looking at it too simplistically. We really appear to be making hard work of it, and I'm sure we would have wanted at least a couple of signing done before the WC?
Maybe we've learnt from last year, and would rather deal with transfers has we've historically done, and not released anything until we are more certain that we've got our man?
Who bloody knows......
Chelsea obviously had identified Costa, a premium player from Liga champions, and got the deal done for 32m?
Am I looking at it too simplistically. We really appear to be making hard work of it, and I'm sure we would have wanted at least a couple of signing done before the WC?
Maybe we've learnt from last year, and would rather deal with transfers has we've historically done, and not released anything until we are more certain that we've got our man?
Who bloody knows......
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Costa had a release clause. Not as much negotiating needed as our targets.
Most big players have a release clause. Didn't the goofy racist at Liverpool. Arsenal released that and it didn't make it any easier to write the cheque. Trigger it is just the start of negotiations, transfer aren't just about money.....
Why we won the league two years ago with a worse team than the others, we have class players like I said. People were desperate to sign Mata when he was at Valencia we have him now and people are still not happy.
At the end of the day I'm not in charge and neither are you, Louis Van Gaal is and he'll sign the players he wants for his system not for us, no amount of complaining is going to change that.
Everybody, just write Woodward is useless and everything will be well.
Worked for so long...
He had no influence on Moyes appointment. Last summer was a disaster and he was responsible for that to some extent, but we’re talking about this summer. People blame him already.
Do not forget that Woodward has yet to prove himself, and also that he is the Glazers right hand man. When he proves himself by making some major signings for the club before the transfer deadline this summer then fine. But remember he was involved last season too in a bigger way than David Moyes. He has this window to prove himself. I am still very suspicious of the guy.
"In 2005, Woodward advised Malcolm Glazer and the Glazer family during its successful takeover of Manchester United. The Glazer family then recruited Woodward to join the club in a "financial planning" role.
In 2007, Woodward was given charge of the commercial and media operations of Manchester United. It was in this role that Woodward is credited for United's success in tying up lucrative sponsorship deals with companies around the world. In 2005, the club's commercial revenue was £48.7 million. In 2012, it stood at £117.6 million.
Woodward was appointed to the board of directors and named executive vice-chairman of Manchester United in 2012. After the retirement of CEO David Gill the following year, Woodward was promoted to the top operational role at Old Trafford in a restructuring of the club's boardroom. Woodward was succeeded by Richard Arnold as the club's commercial management director.
Woodward's first transfer window, where Manchester United completed the signing of Belgian midfielder Marouane Fellaini from Everton, but failed to acquire other transfer targets, was described as being "disastrous" by The Daily Telegraph." In Quotes taken from Wikipedia.
Article fails to mention signing of Mata a world class player in January, don't particularly like Woodward but his two transfers have been 50/50 so far.
He has till September 1st, times a ticking woody
I don't particularly have the utmost faith in him but people at least need to wait until we are approaching the end of the window before they write him and this summer off. He still has time on his side and for all we know he might pull off a blinder. I don't think he's unaware of how much we need to strengthen. The managerial change and the WC haven't exactly helped his cause because if we believe what was reported him and Moyes had deals lined up and LvG may not have wanted to proceed with Moyes' targets (which is fair enough) so it was back to the drawing board. No need for people to start losing their shit now but I really hope we start making waves soon.
The thing is, Fergie and Gill had to step in to make it happen.
he did feck all last summer and if he does feck all again he should get sold to liverpool.
Did they really? If true then he really is pathetic
I've only seen that in the tabloids if true then yes he should resign, proof?
He has been very succsesful in bringing cash into the club there can be no doubt about that. But is this cash going onto the field to strengthen the team or is it being sucked out. This summer window will reveal the answer. I am really worried right now. Hope my worries are unfounded.
I don't know about you guys, but I read all these on/off transfer stories and I wonder where are all these world class players David Moyes said were dying to play for United. I've become cynical about it all and I assume most are playing United for a fool as part of a negotiation tactic with their own clubs.
I hope that come kick-off in August we have some genuine world class quality at the club, but I have no idea exactly who that will be.
I hope that come kick-off in August we have some genuine world class quality at the club, but I have no idea exactly who that will be.
Widely reported at the time. There are also photos/videos of Gill and Fergie meeting Roman and his cronies, with Woodward trailing along behind them.
Sorry I don’t understand your post. I already said multiple times that last summer was a disaster, it’s common opinion. Of course he has to prove himself. What I’m saying is that it’s silly to blame Woodward at this stage as far as transfers are concerned, partly because we are in very difficult position to bring quality players.
Why did you bring up those quotes on Woodward? I think I’m missing your point.
Meanwhile Moyes gave all the credit to Woodward for making it happen.
Pogba, a player we should have kept for nowt, for 60 million? Kinell.
http://www.theguardian.com/football...er-60m-old-trafford-louis-van-gaal?CMP=twt_gu
http://www.theguardian.com/football...er-60m-old-trafford-louis-van-gaal?CMP=twt_gu
Just hoping that these players leave:
Young
Valencia
Fletcher
Zaha on Loan
Powell on Loan
Lingaard on Loan
And that we get:
Shaw - 25m-30m
1 Class CB - 25m-30m (Hummels/Garay/Mangala)
1 Class CM - 25m - 40m (Fabregas/Kroos/Strootman/Vidal/Schweinstieger)
1 back-up full-back - 10m (no clue)
This is the minimum we need.
One out of Kagawa or Nani can go, if we can get a winger in 20m-30m.
This can give us the following 1st and 2nd line-ups:
1st line up: DDG, Rafael, Jones, NEW_CB, Shaw, New_CM, Carrick, Nani, Mata, Rooney, RVP
2nd line up: Lindegaard, New_FB, Smalling, Evans, Evra, Cleverly, Fellaini, Welbeck, Kagawa, Januzaj, Chicha
This squad will get us into the top 3.
We can buy that winger and the extra CM the season after the next, once we have secured a UCL spot.
Young
Valencia
Fletcher
Zaha on Loan
Powell on Loan
Lingaard on Loan
And that we get:
Shaw - 25m-30m
1 Class CB - 25m-30m (Hummels/Garay/Mangala)
1 Class CM - 25m - 40m (Fabregas/Kroos/Strootman/Vidal/Schweinstieger)
1 back-up full-back - 10m (no clue)
This is the minimum we need.
One out of Kagawa or Nani can go, if we can get a winger in 20m-30m.
This can give us the following 1st and 2nd line-ups:
1st line up: DDG, Rafael, Jones, NEW_CB, Shaw, New_CM, Carrick, Nani, Mata, Rooney, RVP
2nd line up: Lindegaard, New_FB, Smalling, Evans, Evra, Cleverly, Fellaini, Welbeck, Kagawa, Januzaj, Chicha
This squad will get us into the top 3.
We can buy that winger and the extra CM the season after the next, once we have secured a UCL spot.