Indeed. I think all the frustration of not having a functioning attacking line up, plus the aquisition and debut of Pedro for Chelsea has caused a bit of desperation on my part
Manchester United Summer Transfer Window 2015: What do we still need?
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Indeed. I think all the frustration of not having a functioning attacking line up, plus the aquisition and debut of Pedro for Chelsea has caused a bit of desperation on my part
I know what we've spent, that was then though this is now, I just have a feeling that going for and hearing stories about players like Muller, Bale, and Neymar is just some sort of lame way of keeping the fans happy whilst signing nobody.
As things stand we should get CL this season, and should scrape in the top 4 again, that ticks the big two money boxes for the Glazers/investors, the Adidas deal is done, so why do they really need to push for any more than 3rd/4th, financially it doesn't offer much more than 1st atm.
I am a cynical beggar but to me it seems we are reining the spending in just as we get close to having a top squad for no apparent reason, hence my reasoning.
The amount of complaining on here is laughable. We sign 4 fantastic signings and have kept 3 clean sheets in a row in the league and our game play has steadily improved. If we get a few injuries then we can cope with it as the strength in depth we have is fantastic. Under Fergie I cant remember many seasons where he signed 4 players and the fans not being happy about it, we have to trust LVG and what hes doing. Hes brought us back Champions League football, brought in high profile signings, sure his philosophy might be irregular and the goals and buildup play might be a bit slow but its getting their. Hes stopped the goals leaking in even though we have our best player sitting in the stands.
I do agree we need another creative and pacy winger and a striker but I think we will be fine this season with the players and squad we have. The players we lost over the summer didn't contribute much last season so wont be too much of a miss, Falcao is proving his worth at Chelsea.
I do agree we need another creative and pacy winger and a striker but I think we will be fine this season with the players and squad we have. The players we lost over the summer didn't contribute much last season so wont be too much of a miss, Falcao is proving his worth at Chelsea.
If we don't sign a striker who can do the business i dont believe we have any chance of winning the league.
It doesn't matter how many players we've signed imo. Yes, we have kept 3 clean sheets but I thought we were competing to win the league? Not the defensive solidarity stakes. City are absolutely blowing teams like Chelsea away and we're looking solid at the back against Newcastle.
So what your saying is that we keep signing players and discarding the old signings instead of trying to get a system to make it work? Sounds like a Real Madrid philosophy here. City look unstoppable at the minute but they have been buying players for 4-5 years now, we have had 2-3 seasons at it and still need another season or so to make it work, Chelsea done the same thing when Roman arrived, it takes time. For us to sign another 3 players then we need to make space for them and who else can we sell now with the prospect of the new signings arriving and then turning out like ADM or Falcao?
To help win the league then clean sheets and defensive solidarity is a part of it and part of the reason we finished 4th last season, we conceded too many weak goals at the beginning of the previous season.
I'd be with you here normally but it's hard to understand why we have left ourselves so short in the most important part of the pitch, LvG has worked wonders with the defence, and finally brought us a midfield to be proud of but he has so far left us dangerously short up front, I don't think that can be in dispute, if we go as we are there is little doubt we are in for long season where many of the games will be 1-0, 0-0, 1-1 etc.
I think the problem for me is he has shredded the attack without having a replacement, we should have kept RVP until we had another player, as we should either Nani or ADM imo, if we still had them I'd be agreeing with you.
Totally agree we should have replaced or kept RVP, or we should have got Pedro as he would've been good for us. It will be a long season, but although we didn't get the result we wanted in the Newcastle game we did start to show some signs of improving in our build up play. Rooney needs dropped to the bench with Chicharito up front and Herrera in behind and then things will get better.
That maybe so but LvG won't do it, reckon best we can hope for is Rooney in the number 10 role with Chica up front.
Herrera might as well bring his slippers for match day for the foreseeable.
Just hoping for Rooney to hit form soon or to get suspended for a few games to give LVG the chance to try a few other options. Yea he doesn't seem to like Herrera at all, hes against Brazilians and now hates Spanish players, Mata better watch out.
Agree, if we get the right sided player we so desperately need I think Mata will be out of the team, much as as I'd love to see him in the number 10 role though.
Rooney will no doubt get an injury at some point and that will be the chance to try to something different, problem is I don't think LvG really rates Hernandez, so we could see something like this:
Young-----------Memphis-----------Mata
-----------------Januzaj------------------
Who knows maybe it'll work
Why do you think that? He gave him 2 sub appearances and I'm sure he'll start at some point if he proves his worth. He looked good in those 2 games.Agree, if we get the right sided player we so desperately need I think Mata will be out of the team, much as as I'd love to see him in the number 10 role though.
Rooney will no doubt get an injury at some point and that will be the chance to try to something different, problem is I don't think LvG really rates Hernandez, so we could see something like this:
Young-----------Memphis-----------Mata
-----------------Januzaj------------------
Who knows maybe it'll work
I've seen this logic banded about by a few posters as if we were in a defensive crisis and this is what LvG needed to fix. I can only think it's because our manager has this focus so the philosophy has spread?
Fact is in our last two title winning seasons we conceded 37 and 43 goals which is exactly what we've conceded in our last two seasons as well.
The difference was a massive drop in goals scored under Moyes (64) with LvGs team then managing even fewer (62).
Whether its tactical changes or reinforcements up front its critical that LvG starts to rectify our lack of goals.
Most people are complaining that we needed to sign another defender yet as you have provided we aren't conceding anymore goals than usual, so Otamendi wasn't required.
We do need players up front and buying them and all the other players needed in one window proves tricky, look at the amount of teams that bring in 7 or 8 players and then struggle for so long to bed them all in. We want players who can come in and make a difference and at the minute there isn't many available that we could get. Pedro is a mistake and I think we should have got him, KDB is another player available and we should be looking at but LVG wants Muller or Bale only it seems. I admit this is dangerous as neither will be leaving this summer no matter how much we through at it, the player needs to accept our offer also. We do need more goals up front and targeting Neymar is another waste of time, I do commend the club for wanting the best players in the World but there going the wrong way about it and makes us look silly buy trying for these players and then they sign a contract extension or rule themselves out of contention. I mean c'mon we are in for Mane and he is as consistent as Nani, the only saving grace in that one is that he was taken off injured today.
Berahino would be a good player to get in, hes fast and can score goals. Felipe Anderson would be the RW choice, if we managed these two then we would be title challenging but I expect next summer before we address the striker and wide positions.
One of the few players in our team that can chip in with goals, but by VG's bizarre logic the midfield cannot take chances
Isco, Laporte and Mahrez wouldn't be a bad way to end the transfer window.
Well, at least Bale, Neymar and Muller are the threads at the top of this forum (not Fellaini, Baines and Osman). Even if we manage to sign just ONE of those this week, it will have been a good window.
Tongue firmly in cheek hereBlooming heck!
'Just one'
A winger and a striker would be a very good way to end the summer business for the club.
A quick look at our transfer strategy this year is enough to see that something has changed in respect of the past 2 seasons. All our signings were in the 12m-30m mark, we got rid of the high earning players (RVP, ADM, Nani, Falcao etc), we moved Blind in defense rather than bought an expensive CB and brought players which should be at the lower end of our wage structure window. Most of these players were shrewd signings. Darmian is a quality full back, Schneiderlin is a rock in midfield and Depay is an exciting player to watch. Having said that we opted for Bastian whose got one leg already in his career's grave rather than opted for a better and more expensive option. Not to forget that we refused to spend that extra 2-3m needed to bring Pedro.
By the looks of it we're back to the value policy, which isn't necessary a bad thing when you're on top but may cause issues in our current situation. If we sign no one else than i dont think that the squad is better off this season than it was last year. Surely CM is sorted and the defense has improved a lot thanks to Shaw and Darmian. However we also lost RVP (a regular scorer for us) and ADM (our main assist man last season). Not to forget that we'll probably be missing the committed DDG of old irrespective on whether he stays or goes. That's a shame because he was our best player for the past 2 years.
By the looks of it we're back to the value policy, which isn't necessary a bad thing when you're on top but may cause issues in our current situation. If we sign no one else than i dont think that the squad is better off this season than it was last year. Surely CM is sorted and the defense has improved a lot thanks to Shaw and Darmian. However we also lost RVP (a regular scorer for us) and ADM (our main assist man last season). Not to forget that we'll probably be missing the committed DDG of old irrespective on whether he stays or goes. That's a shame because he was our best player for the past 2 years.
I don't think that's the case mate.
I said it before - all the big clubs have the best players and don't want to part with them at any price. Wenger pointed out that there was lack of available class strikers and thus Arsenal are unlikely to buy by then end of the wind.
Pool of talent in medium clubs (which usually were happy to sell) has dried up. Our purchases could be described as digging up last good available players from feeder clubs.
and tbh did we have any alternatives? Darmian? Name a better full back who moved this summer? Maybe Clyne is on par. Schneiderline? Him, Vidal and Bastian are the best cm to move this summer. attackers? Depray, Streling (whom we had no chance in hell of buing) and Pedro would be my top three.
IMO we have done very well with our signings but we still need more talent obviously.
Im sure price tags were no problem for us.
i doubt. Makes no sense for the selling club. Unless they have abundance of attacking talent. Like Barcelona. Oh wait.
Players move at the right price. We could have gone for Vidal whose a much better than current Bastian, however the latter was cheaper. Pogba was also available for the right price same as De Bruyne, Pedro, Griezmann, Douglas Costa etc. The players are there if you want to spend and we could have kept players who are better off to what we currently have (ADM, Nani and RVP are much better than Mata/Valencia as RW and frigging Chicarito) but chose not to because they were costing us too much money
I am not really complaining about the signings we've made. Apart from Bastian I think all the players we've got were top notch. Depay is an exciting talent, Darmian is the best available right back and Schneiderlin is a rock. However let us not be naive. This squad as it is now is not an improvement to last year's one
Is Reus not an option? The right money would surely tempt Dortmund.
Reus would definetely improve us and i do believe we could get him but we would have no chance. We couldn't even manage to secure Pedro. No chance of getting Reus imo for the price being touted. Signings like Reus make a lot of sense which is why it's unlikely we'll end up going in for him.
Has anyone mentioned we need a striker?
Van Gaal has said we need pace in the final third- for the life of me i cannot imagine we are not trying to sign someone- not a striker per se but someone with pace to burn down the right flank- whether that be an out and out right winger or someone cutting in on there left. He knows the problems- he is not an idiot- its just getting someone this late in the window. If we do get someone it will be at an inflated price like with Di Maria. Everyone can see our problems so it adds 10 million to anyone.
Personally i don't see anything happening. So give Lingard a go i say. It's better than failing with the same stale tried system. I don't think having him in the team would force us to lose goals in a game, and he might just add something going forward? It's just his lack of involvement so far gives me reason to believe he is looking to maybe sell him or loan him out again if he does find what he wants in the transfer market.
Something needs doing. It may have to come from within what we have got already though and not a nice new shiny player.
Personally i don't see anything happening. So give Lingard a go i say. It's better than failing with the same stale tried system. I don't think having him in the team would force us to lose goals in a game, and he might just add something going forward? It's just his lack of involvement so far gives me reason to believe he is looking to maybe sell him or loan him out again if he does find what he wants in the transfer market.
Something needs doing. It may have to come from within what we have got already though and not a nice new shiny player.
Don't know if he's been mentioned previously but anyone think Jefferson Montero would be a good addition?
Pace to burn, tricky and creative. Him and Memphis would be the ones to beat a man and create some space for others. Plus if we sign him this week he won't play against us on Sunday
Pace to burn, tricky and creative. Him and Memphis would be the ones to beat a man and create some space for others. Plus if we sign him this week he won't play against us on Sunday
A quick fix would be Zlatan and Mané.
We need a number 10 who can control the ball both in the air and on his feet, deliver key passes and score goals.
Secondly we need a strong player with a very good acceleration and some pace. Mané is inconsistent but wow he has the speed.
It's hard to accept but Rooneys best date has expired many years ago. Mata is creative and delivers good passes but is to light weighted and to slow. Januzaj has potential but I'm not sure his a number 10.
We need two quality forwards to be a serious challanger!
We need a number 10 who can control the ball both in the air and on his feet, deliver key passes and score goals.
Secondly we need a strong player with a very good acceleration and some pace. Mané is inconsistent but wow he has the speed.
It's hard to accept but Rooneys best date has expired many years ago. Mata is creative and delivers good passes but is to light weighted and to slow. Januzaj has potential but I'm not sure his a number 10.
We need two quality forwards to be a serious challanger!
Thought of a couple of decent wife men we could take a dip on.
Carlos Vela, quick skilled and gets goals.
Nolito , never seen him play but apparently very good.
Carlos Vela, quick skilled and gets goals.
Nolito , never seen him play but apparently very good.
A striker and a proper right sided attacking player.
I really like the look of Mane, quick, skilful, heads up player. The thing that worries me is how often he acts petulant and frustrated which in turn stops his concentration on what is important. The weekends game before he went off injured showed that, he had chance going forward, it didnt work out so he turned away from play frustrated with himself and missed the poor control from the opposition player which he could have capitalised on. I also wondered just how badly injured he really was, my gut feeling was that his head had given up on the game. Gut feelings are often bollocks but his mentality does make me wonder if he will become as good as he could be.
We definitely still need a striker and I'd also say we need another pacey winger. But if we were just too go for one then it's got to be a striker.
My biggest issue though is what do we need in a number 9 other then goals? See speed is a definite problem in our side but so is holding up the ball and bringing others in to play.
Really we should have gone for Benteke but hey that ship has sailed so I'd really like us to go for Lukaku. He's quick, strong, mobile with a good touch. He'll run the channels and gives us something different to front.
This summer so far has been good and that can't be overlooked... But there's more work to do. I understand the argument to bring in players slowly to allow them to settle but I'd say all of our players have settled quickly.
Plus I think this season is too early for a title charge. So bring in another striker to allow them a season to bed in. That should give us enough to get top 4. Then next summer we may just need one or two players at most which will make it easier to bed them in.
My biggest issue though is what do we need in a number 9 other then goals? See speed is a definite problem in our side but so is holding up the ball and bringing others in to play.
Really we should have gone for Benteke but hey that ship has sailed so I'd really like us to go for Lukaku. He's quick, strong, mobile with a good touch. He'll run the channels and gives us something different to front.
This summer so far has been good and that can't be overlooked... But there's more work to do. I understand the argument to bring in players slowly to allow them to settle but I'd say all of our players have settled quickly.
Plus I think this season is too early for a title charge. So bring in another striker to allow them a season to bed in. That should give us enough to get top 4. Then next summer we may just need one or two players at most which will make it easier to bed them in.
Do these quotes excite you for the coming days?
Woodward strikes me as a riverboat gambler. M&A background, "Watch this space" and now that quote. Guess he's got something up his sleeve again, because if not there's going to be a lot of disappointed fans and no way to amend things quickly.
Sweet Jesus feck that is quite possibly the worst piece of sports journalism I have ever, ever read. I mean he makes no coherent point, has taken two Pedro deflections as proof that he has the "big-game know-how" that will lead Chelsea to victory....divine lord, that is genuinely the worst article I have seen in a long time. There's no overarching point, there's no logic to it...it's the kind of attempt at journalism I feel would fail a Junior Cert English exam. Christ.
Aren't those quotes from the article saying we turned down Ibra?
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