So many exciting quotes from LVG going around. 
Manchester United Summer Transfer Window 2015: What do we still need?
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Whats LVG being saying about Transfers ?
Who the hell else thought SSN were trolling Utd fans with the whole "we've got some big news concerning Villa making a loan move permanent" ......over Scott Sinclair.
Then I remembered TClev is out of contract anyway.
Then I remembered TClev is out of contract anyway.
Playing against Barca away maybe. Otherwise no thanks.
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Rory Smith, apparently.
Suedesi posted that yesterday and got mugged because of it. Are we going to believe it this time?
I suppose I missed whatever happened then. I did a quick search for Suedesi and didn't see anything related.
Varane would be a good start.
ideally we would:
- keep De Gea
- sign a midfielder
- sign a right back
- sign a striker
- sign a center back
(in that order)
and also get rid of Evans, Falcao and Nani. unsure about RvP/Hernandez working out either even though both are good players.
Do I expect it to turn out this way? Nope.
- keep De Gea
- sign a midfielder
- sign a right back
- sign a striker
- sign a center back
(in that order)
and also get rid of Evans, Falcao and Nani. unsure about RvP/Hernandez working out either even though both are good players.
Do I expect it to turn out this way? Nope.
No winger?
we just signed Depay, who in all honesty was the #1 signing I personaly wanted to happen this summer.
otherwise I think players like Di Maria, Mata and Januzaj are great options to have as well.
I know what your saying but still think LVG is looking for a winger of the world class level. Depay is youth development.
I assume LVG eventually wants to get back to his favoured 433 - when we line up for the CL final next year I would expect us to look something like:
.................................GK....................................
RB.................CB...........(Smalling/Jones/Rojo)......Shaw
...............Mata..........CM...........Ander...................
...............Di Maria......Rooney....Depay......................
GK: Still harbour hopes that DDG will sign but I'm expecting him to go - if that happens I think we will sign a young keeper to be the understudy and eventual successor to Valdes.
RB: Seems to be quite a weak position in terms of transfer options, I would personally go for Janmaat and I'm slightly surprised that we didn't sign him last year.
CB: Considering Smalling's and to a lesser extent Jones' limitations as footballers, this defender needs to be a good passer of the ball and generally comfortable on the ball. I'm afraid I have no idea who that is.
CM: Schweinsteiger please, think Bayern are finally ready to sell and he is made for the Premiership.
CF: I think we also need a pacey goalscorer to replace Falcao/RVP/Hernandez, Dybala would have been absolutely perfect, oh well.
I would recall Nani from his loan and give him another chance to deputise in the wide positions (alongside Valencia, Young and Adnan).
.................................GK....................................
RB.................CB...........(Smalling/Jones/Rojo)......Shaw
...............Mata..........CM...........Ander...................
...............Di Maria......Rooney....Depay......................
GK: Still harbour hopes that DDG will sign but I'm expecting him to go - if that happens I think we will sign a young keeper to be the understudy and eventual successor to Valdes.
RB: Seems to be quite a weak position in terms of transfer options, I would personally go for Janmaat and I'm slightly surprised that we didn't sign him last year.
CB: Considering Smalling's and to a lesser extent Jones' limitations as footballers, this defender needs to be a good passer of the ball and generally comfortable on the ball. I'm afraid I have no idea who that is.
CM: Schweinsteiger please, think Bayern are finally ready to sell and he is made for the Premiership.
CF: I think we also need a pacey goalscorer to replace Falcao/RVP/Hernandez, Dybala would have been absolutely perfect, oh well.
I would recall Nani from his loan and give him another chance to deputise in the wide positions (alongside Valencia, Young and Adnan).
It's great that we have so many options to push for, this transfer window really seems coordinated well, i for one will appreciate us not going into long transfer sagas this year.
well, you're partialy right, I mean Depay is very young, and I think most of us expect that he'll need some time before we see the best of him, however being the top scorer (as a winger) and best player of the league, regardless of it being the Eredivisie is no small feat, and while he's far from the finished product I do expect him to make a noticable contribution in his first season.
While I wouldn't mind getting Bale for example, it's not exactly where I'd start in terms of improving the squad given that we now have quite a large amount of wingers, and while we can all agree Di Maria's season hasn't been a success, I do expect him to pick it up next season. Add to that Mata who's been playing well of late, now Depay who's surely going to get atleast a decent amount of game time, Januzaj who should also get some minutes should he not get sent out on loan. And those are just the ones I'd actually really like for Van Gaal to work with and give minutes to, not to mention Valencia (technicaly a RB now though I guess), Young who surprised everybody this season but regardless of how well he played he'll never be the one I'd want United to have to turn to, and Nani who still has a long contract here. Add some youth like Lingard and we're already at 8 players.
On the other hand we've got 1 right back who is never fit, which meant Valencia, primarily a winger has been our #1 choice for the entire season, since he's the only one actually able to play that role, Jones and Smalling weren't, aren't and never will be right backs.
We're a Carrick injury away from more or less losing it in midfield regardless of how well some of them seem to be playing otherwise.
And for all the "star-power" up front we haven't had a single player hit the 20 goal mark. Granted Rooney would have had he been playing striker all season but still. Falcao has been a complete miss, RvP's best days are behind him, Hernandez couldn't find a place in LvG's system last year so I can't see him doing any better this year, meaning we're more or less left with Rooney (thank feck for that) and Wilson. We're going to play in Europe next season so we can''t expect to rely just on what we've got. Ok, RvP will probably stay for another year but at this point, as quality as he was his first season here, I would actualy prefer it if he didn't.
I'm not so sure about that. Like mentioned above, we're stocked on wingers. I assume Nani/Lingard will leave and Valencia will be a fulltime rightback, Januzaj might get a loan but I'm not so sure about this.
LW: Young, Memphis, Januzaj
RW: Di Maria, Mata, Januzaj
If we buy Bale that means we either bench Mata/Young/Memphis/Januzaj or we bench Di Maria again. The latter isn't going to happen (very much doubt Di Maria will play in midfield either) so that would mean we bench alot of players to fit in Bale who doesn't offer anything we really need. Long range shooting/freekicks = Memphis, although he's only the prospect buying Bale would seriously hamper his gametime and development. It would probably also mean the end for one of Januzaj/Mata since there's no way van Gaal wants 4 left footed wingers and 2 right footed wingers, of who one is 30 years old and the other is 21.
in my opinion we need
RB (Clyne)
CB (Experienced)
CM (Gundogun)
CM (that Roma chap naiaiangolaaaa)
Winger/ Forward (Bale / Sterling)
With depay already i think we win the league with those additions.
RB (Clyne)
CB (Experienced)
CM (Gundogun)
CM (that Roma chap naiaiangolaaaa)
Winger/ Forward (Bale / Sterling)
With depay already i think we win the league with those additions.
Januzaj shouldn't stop us buying a winger. Not close to the first team at present. Badly needs a loan.
Bale offers 20 goals a season and direct pace. Non of our other wingers offer that and with our current strikers neither do they. At the end of the day it's about trying to win the league not trying to be the next Arsenal. Talent squad with no bite.
More like stocked with bang average wingers.
If Ronaldo or Bale will be available Van Gaal will want them no matter what. He said few times in the past that any of the elite world class players are welcomed here.
I see a lot of logic in your post however Young is hitting his 30's and Mata is more of a number 10 than a winger with flashy dribbling skills. We need a specialists who can beat defenders with pace & technique.
The only way I could see it happening that we buy Bale is if the following happens:
-Januzaj goes out on loan and his chances in the future will be slim because he'll be up against Memphis, Di Maria and Bale for a couple of years.
OR
-Mata leaves, but I seriously doubt this. Mata is a player who fits van Gaal's profile, he would have to be used in midfield if Bale is coming. We need to buy a Matic type for that to happen.
-We still have money to burn after we buy a goalkeeper, centreback, rightback, midfielder(2?) and maybe even a striker. I don't think van Gaal will go for lesser options to save money for Bale, that would be stupid. There's just no way RM will sell their record transfer for a loss, if LvG can get all his targets for under 60m (we already spent 22m on Memphis) he'd have 70m for Bale. He'd spend 150m this way, he'll probably have a bit more with outgoing transfer but not much - 90m maybe for all those other players?
-Di Maria leaves. Again, nothing suggests that this is going to happen. The only clubs who could realistically afford him are struck by FFP or don't want him (Bayern & RM).
-LvG completely gives up on his favorite part of his job: educating youth. He won the CL with kids but has now decided that he needs a superstar and will bench Young, one of our best players this year and his new transfer Memphis. Bale his best position is on the left (he'll never play in the middle for van Gaal) where he can shoot from long range, exactly the thing we bought Memphis for.
-He gives up on the fact that he likes inverted wingers.
I just can't see it happening. He's not going to displace Rooney as a striker either. There are much better options if he does want a winger, why should he go for the most expensive one out there even though he doesn't really fit in?
-Januzaj goes out on loan and his chances in the future will be slim because he'll be up against Memphis, Di Maria and Bale for a couple of years.
OR
-Mata leaves, but I seriously doubt this. Mata is a player who fits van Gaal's profile, he would have to be used in midfield if Bale is coming. We need to buy a Matic type for that to happen.
-We still have money to burn after we buy a goalkeeper, centreback, rightback, midfielder(2?) and maybe even a striker. I don't think van Gaal will go for lesser options to save money for Bale, that would be stupid. There's just no way RM will sell their record transfer for a loss, if LvG can get all his targets for under 60m (we already spent 22m on Memphis) he'd have 70m for Bale. He'd spend 150m this way, he'll probably have a bit more with outgoing transfer but not much - 90m maybe for all those other players?
-Di Maria leaves. Again, nothing suggests that this is going to happen. The only clubs who could realistically afford him are struck by FFP or don't want him (Bayern & RM).
-LvG completely gives up on his favorite part of his job: educating youth. He won the CL with kids but has now decided that he needs a superstar and will bench Young, one of our best players this year and his new transfer Memphis. Bale his best position is on the left (he'll never play in the middle for van Gaal) where he can shoot from long range, exactly the thing we bought Memphis for.
-He gives up on the fact that he likes inverted wingers.
I just can't see it happening. He's not going to displace Rooney as a striker either. There are much better options if he does want a winger, why should he go for the most expensive one out there even though he doesn't really fit in?
world class players are always welcome, ofcourse, but given that a winger is the last position (apart from arguably LB) we're in need of players wouldn't it make sense to take care of positions we're actualy in dire need of?
and apart from rightbacks in particular, the market this summer seems like it should be filled with talent.
... and I'm still gonna tell you what Louie said. We'll go for every best player that is out there while we are still in the process of clearing out the squad just like we did a year ago. Bale is not a new idea, we already had funds for him in 2013 and we were in almost constant contact with Madrid about him and few other of their players. Budget for this deal existed probably in SAF's era.
First you create a solid rivalry in the squad, then you look who can keep up with the standard of football and quality which in United should be above Chelsea by the way and then you'll know what's your optimal lineup. We can't just resign from signing elite footballers just because Ashley Young finally found form in a late stage of his career.
We can create depth of pure quality and I believe that's the plan. Add the injuries to the equation and you know that it will hit us at some stage of the season while trying to keep up on four fronts. I'm sure everyone will get their chance in rotation system between competitions.
Every position is important if you want to build team for every competition out there, that's why we should look to solve every problem of this team, no matter what department we're talking about.
Good news is we got more than two months this time. After Woodward's statements I expect nothing but a productive summer.
it is, but some are more important than others, and while I got nothing against getting Bale in, I'd much rather see us sign great players in other positions, get that taken care of, and then get him in if need be. As much money as United supposedly have, there's alwalys a limit and breaking another transfer record on a player that, while being an improvement on our current options, plays in a position we're stocked in the most, doesn't make too much sense to me given the circumstance. For the price that's being mentioned we could take care of a couple of other positions. I know it's not my money but still, I think we should focus on what's urgent first and see what happens with Bale...at the very least he shouldn't be a priority
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Why is that quote relevant for Bale only? Wingers is the position we need strenghtening the least, that quote is much more suited for midfield and defence. If Memphis is out of form we have Young or even Di Maria who can take his place, not the worst options. On the right we've got Mata as backup, not too bad either. We need competition in the holding midfield role, for Herrera too and many here don't see Fellaini as long term option either. Our defence is a shambles, we don't have a rightback, our keeper might be leaving and we don't know what will happen to RvP either. Again, if he wants quality competition in those places like you said, there's no way he can buy all that under 100m. I never said anything about Bale's qualities, but it's his pricetag. Why would he buy the most expensive option in football for the position we need it the least, if he's just had 1 short transfer window at the club?
I'll give you a LvG quote in return: I can't bench Di Maria next season, if you pay that amount of money for a player, you must play him. If we've got Rooney, Di Maria, Bale and Mata next season the only one who can get benched for a long time is Mata. This will hamper Memphis his development and Young would never get a sniff either. Januzaj would be up against 3 quality left footers and his future at the club will be questioned with van Gaal's insistence on inverted wingers.
You're absolutely right, there are formations that needs more work and organizing however every transfer is an individual matter. I don't think we have a luxury of making a schedule of who we sign first. We were rushed into Memphis deal because we have PSG breathing down our necks and blatantly spying our youth progress and scout network. Good for us Andreas Pereira is another sign of a lesson learned from the past.
Do you need a number of Louie's quotes how many times he had to read a list of injured players and lamenting over unbalanced team and lack of choice ? Di Maria won't play every game in the season. We'll be mostly saving him for Champions League clashes and Premier League games in hope there will be no injuries in two matches a week system.
If there's alternative to Bale like Felipe Anderson and if LVG will think of him as an upgrade then fine with me and yes indeed the defense could use some overhaul too. Same with midfield.
I pretty much agree with every argument but difference with me is that I don't see a problem in creating Fergie's headache type of situation which was far from something terrible. Actually it was great thing to watch outscoring every big firm in 1999 with Cole, Yorke, Solskjaer & Sheringham even if some teams were bit better in other formations. I'm sure we would do just fine now with good pack of goal scoring wingers this time.
There's also a balance type of issue here and you may be right that we'll need a bit more complicated planning which left or right footed player to use to get more variety on the pitch without too much 'stronger left legs' at disposal. With that I simply cannot argue and I won't... but still Bale for me is the closest thing to replacing Ryan Giggs.
I think we will drop everything and go for bale if he becomes available at any point in the window, even if it means that someone like di Maria or mata becomes surplus to requirements.
In the meantime we will be looking to add a rb, cb, cm and striker, those four are all essential signings that we have to make no matter what. With de gea leaving I would say a keeper as well but I expect we will go with Valdes for a season. Lots of players leaving as well but once it is all done I think LVG will have the type of squad he actually wants rather than making do as he has done this season.
In the meantime we will be looking to add a rb, cb, cm and striker, those four are all essential signings that we have to make no matter what. With de gea leaving I would say a keeper as well but I expect we will go with Valdes for a season. Lots of players leaving as well but once it is all done I think LVG will have the type of squad he actually wants rather than making do as he has done this season.
Unbalanced team had nothing to do with our wingers. It has to do with that he always has 4 defensive players on the pitch, after he moved away from 352 (3cb+1dm) he didn't have this. In a 433 he wants 2 defensively good midfielders. He played Rooney in midfield alot because he's one of the few with Blind, Fellaini and Carrick who can give him balance. Buying another superstar winger won't balance our squad at all, it'll only create headaches like you said.
Those players weren't on 250k a week though. Like van Gaal said, he just can't bench those kind of players if they're fit (the club would kill him). No they won't play every match, but if they remain fit they'll play. That's why if he wants another winger (it's possible) Bale would be the most absurd option, because we actually have decent cover there and need a right footer much more than a 4th lefty.
If we've got the funds after we're done strengthening the other positions and van Gaal could still bring in Bale I wouldn't be dissapointed, but it just doesn't make sense right now.
Right now perhaps not but wait till the game against Bayern or Barca while having another big clash in Premier League against Chelsea or Arsenal and having three days to regenerate and prepare for that. Reducing risk is also sign of improvement. Deals like that won't damage us especially with manager who sees Manchester United as his biggest and final challenge in a career.
Find me a winger like Bale or youngster with similar potential and I'll change the tune. We got more than two months to sign another Memphis so you'll never know what may happen. Perhaps Januzaj or Pereira is the answer... I certainly do hope so. That would save time, money and headache.
We don't need a huge amount of signings but if we sign these players we're linked to,
Bale
Otemendi
Schweinsteiger
Clyne
Schneiderlin
Also With Memphis already in the bag. Then I have no doubts we will be challenging on all fronts. I'm almost certain that Ed is going to go full Muppet and go for a marquee signing this summer be it bale or pogba.
Bale
Otemendi
Schweinsteiger
Clyne
Schneiderlin
Also With Memphis already in the bag. Then I have no doubts we will be challenging on all fronts. I'm almost certain that Ed is going to go full Muppet and go for a marquee signing this summer be it bale or pogba.
The thing when comparing Bale to the other options like Di Maria and Januzaj and Young is that he's a genuine double figures goal threat and a huge upgrade in that department on all our wingers.
he is, I don't think anyone on here doubts that, but I wouldn't want to prioritise getting Bale over a midfielder, right back, striker and center back. Those are positions that need to be filled, rather urgently imo, noone's arguing Bale's quality but while we're low on numbers and/or quality depending on the mentioned position, we're actually way better off in comparison in our winger department.
Having a lot of great wingers is hardly "a problem", but you can arguably only play 2 at a time (atleast in their primary positions). What good is it having let's say Bale and Depay on the wings and Di Maria/Mata/Januzaj on the bench if for example Carrick and/or Rooney get injured and nobody else was brought in? Blind is a good player but he's not Carrick, and with Falcao seemingly turning shit and RvP not aging well, a young and unproven James Wilson is your next best bet. Might seem a bit harsh on some players, but if we're going to win the Premier League or hope to challenge for the Champions League we need quality depth in said positions.
I'll say it again, I wouldn't say no to Bale in general, but even with a supposed "insane warchest" you can't say spunking out another record fee for a player wouldn't hinder other potential deals.
The general view I get is that the money for Bale is separate from anything else, I doubt we'd jeopardize the overall squad balance LvG craves to buy him, he's be the cherry on the icing IMO, at least from a club perspective as I'm not really pro or anti buying Bale personally. I do think if we got him the striker would wait for another season with our front 3 set as Memphis/Rooney/Bale, with Bale adding the goals the new striker would have been expected to add.
If mitten is correct and we have deals "ready to go with lvgs say" is it fair to expect them done this coming week?
Lvg also goes on holiday tuesday IIRC
Lvg also goes on holiday tuesday IIRC
That's the perception I have as well, that LvG and Woodward plan to reinforce in multiple positions to obtain what LvG calls "balance", and Bale could be a part of it, not at the expense of other positions, although I'm skeptical he'll come. Also, with a threat like Bale, I could see a fit Rooney back into 20+ goals in a season form. I think the main thing is that Woodward and LvG could prove to be a completely different beast to the latter Fergie and Gill era. Personally, I'm expecting big things.
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