Hmm im sure a signing on fee and half that a week wouldnt be too bad for him, especially if its a good club. He hasn't got many years left no point wasting them as a sub if he can play first team elsewhere. That said if United were to play better football next year his ability and experience would be good to use in champs league, but i would rather try someone knew.
Manchester United Summer Transfer Window 2015: What do we still need?
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And Bale of course.
Thats a very good point Shel. I'm jumpin on that bandwagon.. Yippee Ki Yayyyy...
Striker (rooney and rvp are both shite and unreliable these days)
Cdm/6 (nobody can replace carrick nor fill in when injured)
Cm/8 (we simply cannot rely on fellaini as plan a)
Rb (i will stab my eyes out if i ever have to see valencia play and give them ridiculous torpedos or stare contests)
Cb (ours are just handicapped when it comes down to building up
Gk (if ddg goes)
Cdm/6 (nobody can replace carrick nor fill in when injured)
Cm/8 (we simply cannot rely on fellaini as plan a)
Rb (i will stab my eyes out if i ever have to see valencia play and give them ridiculous torpedos or stare contests)
Cb (ours are just handicapped when it comes down to building up
Gk (if ddg goes)
Stop bringing in so many players, let the 2015 team gel a bit.
we only really need 1 midfielder that can cover both positions (#6/#8, priority should be cover for Carrick), meaning we'd have 3 possibilities at DM and arguably 6 in the other 2 midfield spots. Ideally we'd start Carrick, Herrera, the new signing, Depay, Rooney and Di Maria/Mata. The new signing would be said midfielder or striker.
Unfortunately this current team isn't good enough for more than the 4th place. Since we plan to challenge for trophies next season, we need to sign at least 5 more first team players. It's unrealistic to think that we would change our starting lineup so significantly but unfortunately, there is no other way around it.
I agree, I'm not thrilled about Rooney as our main #9 as I think he lacks key attributes, but we know he's going to start all of the time and it's better if he does so up top than as the supposed creative hub in midfield. That is why I can see the interest in Bale, him and Memphis could bag 30 goals between them either side of Rooney IMO.
Sell Mata and Di Maria and bring in Bale plus another midfielder. We need 2 midfield players anyway, a box to box and a holding mid, unless you want to see Fellaini start next season?
Naturally i would tend to agree with you, but we've all seen from our own successful teams & that of our rivals teams - what it takes to win titles & trophies.
There's a fine line between winning & losing & we dont have that quality to get over that line atm. What we have is a team that was good enough to achieve 4th spot - thats it mate.
I dont like doin the man-for-man comparison thing too much, because it just opens a can of worms & its all very boring & tedious, not to mention its been done so many times on here, but its a basic method to gauge how good your team is against a title winning team.
Great coaching & management are all apart of it of course, but when the opposing manager is quality, you got be able to match your team with his & then let the manager earn his crust.
We aint a title winning team without bringing in upgrades for the 1st 11 & the squad. Why do it gradually, when you can get the key players in now & have a proper go next season is my main focal point here.
We could have lost 4th spot after the run we went on (3 losses & no goals scored - f*ck possession stats either). We should have got 3rd spot, but we f*cked that up because the squad isnt capable of replacing our best players when they're out of the team i.e. Carrick for instance.
I find it incredible that many United fans are willing to wait for another 2 seasons for a title win, or atleast be right up there for all the main trophies.
Do folk think the club are that patient? F*ck no they arent! They want to win the title next season, the Champions League, the FA Cup & the League Cup. If folk dont believe that, then they've less ambition than the club has
Leaving this team as it is, hoping it will become a title winning team is like stashing away a bottle of Cider and hoping when you go back in a couple of years it's turned into Don Perignon or one of those other bottles of fancy plonk. It won't have, it'll still be Cider.
This, as ridiculous as it looks.
We may also need a goalkeeper and it'd be nice to have a fully functional Di Maria too.
We only have to look at the Liverpool example to see how a club & its fans think that only a few additions will bring them success, the season after a positive one.
We can go even further back to when Pool won their last title too. They thought they had everything in place to continue their success & then Leeds, us, Blackburn & Arsenal came along to piss on their parade.
They'd no forward-thinkin, but they had a multitude of proper cockiness & egotistical mindsets that all was rosey in the garden.
Fergie's a director at the club & a constant match-goer - same as Gill (when he's the opportunity, given his role with FIFA now & UEFA previously) & our Bobby also. Those fella's wont let us stagnate like Liverpool did & they all surely know - aswell as the club, that what we have now is only a scrapper for 4th spot, 3rd at best & thats not good enough for us.
Bar this season of gettin back into Champions League spot, United dont celebrate anything other than winning anymore. Gone are the days when beating Liverpool once was a successful season & we finish mid-table; when the fact of the matter is - Pool beat everyone else & won titles, but lost our cup final. That's small club mentality & we've buried that shit long ago.
I keep bangin this drum, but to win - not just challenge for the title / Champions League & the rest; we need 2 CB's, an RB, 2 CM's & 2 Strikers (Falcao's gone & so might RvP).
Personally i dont see us gettin all of that, but i'm sure the club will be doing all they can to bring in what we need & not have to rely on emergency / unqualified promotions to the first team, due to mass injuries like we had this season. We'd 11/12 squad players out for weeks upon end & we had the same old shite with Rafa, Jones & Smalling being part of the Sicknote Squad once again & when Evans was fit (and out the Sicknote Squad) - he was atrocious.
Evans & Rafa are as good as gone & Jones & Smalling need to be goin to India for some Guru Yoga & then onto Bangkok for Muay Thai conditioning..
We can go even further back to when Pool won their last title too. They thought they had everything in place to continue their success & then Leeds, us, Blackburn & Arsenal came along to piss on their parade.
They'd no forward-thinkin, but they had a multitude of proper cockiness & egotistical mindsets that all was rosey in the garden.
Fergie's a director at the club & a constant match-goer - same as Gill (when he's the opportunity, given his role with FIFA now & UEFA previously) & our Bobby also. Those fella's wont let us stagnate like Liverpool did & they all surely know - aswell as the club, that what we have now is only a scrapper for 4th spot, 3rd at best & thats not good enough for us.
Bar this season of gettin back into Champions League spot, United dont celebrate anything other than winning anymore. Gone are the days when beating Liverpool once was a successful season & we finish mid-table; when the fact of the matter is - Pool beat everyone else & won titles, but lost our cup final. That's small club mentality & we've buried that shit long ago.
I keep bangin this drum, but to win - not just challenge for the title / Champions League & the rest; we need 2 CB's, an RB, 2 CM's & 2 Strikers (Falcao's gone & so might RvP).
Personally i dont see us gettin all of that, but i'm sure the club will be doing all they can to bring in what we need & not have to rely on emergency / unqualified promotions to the first team, due to mass injuries like we had this season. We'd 11/12 squad players out for weeks upon end & we had the same old shite with Rafa, Jones & Smalling being part of the Sicknote Squad once again & when Evans was fit (and out the Sicknote Squad) - he was atrocious.
Evans & Rafa are as good as gone & Jones & Smalling need to be goin to India for some Guru Yoga & then onto Bangkok for Muay Thai conditioning..
- A RB (@holyland red , I agree)
- A CB to partner Smalling
- A Carrick replacement (Please be Verratti)
- Bale/Griezmann
- A Striker
In terms of priority:
A right back
A central midfielder in his prime (mid 20s)
A backup for Carrick
Another central midfielder backup
A centre back (preferably Laporte)
I don't want a new GK regardless of what De Gea does. Valdes with Johnstone on the bench is good enough for me.
I would also try and get rid of Rooney and get a proper number nine in, but unfortunately that is not going to happen. More tippy-tappy in front of packed defences and our lone striker and captain breaking down every single decent move we make.
A right back
A central midfielder in his prime (mid 20s)
A backup for Carrick
Another central midfielder backup
A centre back (preferably Laporte)
I don't want a new GK regardless of what De Gea does. Valdes with Johnstone on the bench is good enough for me.
I would also try and get rid of Rooney and get a proper number nine in, but unfortunately that is not going to happen. More tippy-tappy in front of packed defences and our lone striker and captain breaking down every single decent move we make.
Pretty much this, Though we might be getting in Possibly 2 CM's.
I don't think psg would sell us Veratti unless adm is involved.
at this moment
---------------------cech--------------------------
clyne------smalling------otamendi-------shaw
--------------carrick/schweinsteiger-----------
----------herrera----------gundogan-----------
----bale------------rooney--------------depay--
2nd team
--------------------valdes--------------------
valencia-----jones---------rojo----------blind
-------------carrick/schweinsteiger-----------
---------mata---------------fellaini----------
---januzaj----------wilson----------------young--
so,
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cech =£10 million
clyne = £18 million
otamendi = £35 million
schweinsteiger = £8 million
gundogan = £20 million
depay = £25 million
bale = £60 million
total = £176 million
outs
de gea = £30 million
rafael =£4 million
evans = £5 million
di maria = £50 million
lindegaard = £2 million
van persie = £5 million to Qatar
powell = £2 million
cleverley = out of contract
hernandez = £8 million
nani = £8 million
total = £114 million
---------------------cech--------------------------
clyne------smalling------otamendi-------shaw
--------------carrick/schweinsteiger-----------
----------herrera----------gundogan-----------
----bale------------rooney--------------depay--
2nd team
--------------------valdes--------------------
valencia-----jones---------rojo----------blind
-------------carrick/schweinsteiger-----------
---------mata---------------fellaini----------
---januzaj----------wilson----------------young--
so,
ins
cech =£10 million
clyne = £18 million
otamendi = £35 million
schweinsteiger = £8 million
gundogan = £20 million
depay = £25 million
bale = £60 million
total = £176 million
outs
de gea
= £30 millionrafael =£4 million
evans = £5 million
di maria = £50 million
lindegaard = £2 million
van persie = £5 million to Qatar
powell = £2 million
cleverley = out of contract
hernandez = £8 million
nani = £8 million
total = £114 million
I would be surprise if we bring in more than 4-5 signings this summer (Depay counted).Quality is the key.Most of the signings from this season need more times to prove themselves as well, plus LVG is well-known to prefer a small squad with multifunctional players and youngsters to be used in case of injury crisis.
I'm not the best when it comes to transfer discussion but a CB (Otamendi?), a CM and a striker would be my pick of what I think will happen (Depay already came).Perhaps a RB as well (I don't believe Rafael is 100% gone).
I'm not the best when it comes to transfer discussion but a CB (Otamendi?), a CM and a striker would be my pick of what I think will happen (Depay already came).Perhaps a RB as well (I don't believe Rafael is 100% gone).
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Right, with a Suarez/Aguero type of striker we could get away with playing a shit no.9 and if shit really hit the fan (re Rooney's form) we would already have a replacement in place.
Fair enough but it pisses me off no end when we keep giving our players away for peanuts .You know we pay RVP around 12m per year?
The wages being payed at United is Ridiculous and with the figures quoted for wages for Nani and young it's no wonder no one one will take them off us .
How Nani was given a 5 year deal at that time was ridiculous .
Back on topic though , can anybody tell me how long rvp as got left on his current deal ???
1 year.
Ta mate !
Looks like he's off to juve to become re born again (on a third of his current wage) like everybody else that goes there .
Letting this team gel isn't an option, it's a team lacking quality and going nowhere, 4-5 players have to be signed if we want to have any chance of being better next season.
Gk, rb, cb, cm and striker are all going to be essential signings, could Be argued we need one or two more than that as well but it's too much for just one window.
That team it's.....it's...... Beautiful
I noticed there was no ADM in there so instead of using him as a bench player we should test PSG resolve if they really want ADM they can have him so the Only change I'd make is selling ADM to PSG and getting verratti in return and placing him instead of schweinsteiger.
Problem is if we made that many changes then next season would still be transition as that's half a new outfield team and you could add a keeper to that of Dave leaves...
Might be what it takes to get this team back to the top. If we don't make the changes and Chelsea/Arsenal/City add to their squads we will have no chance. We cannot stand still.
Oh I agree we need to bring in players in these positions I'm just pointing out that if we did next season could also be the same as this season where players need time to gel.
Thing is those are the basic requirements we need. We definitely need to stop relying on Carrick so that's the defensive midfielder part, Fellaini is useful but such a player should be considered a squad player and not a starter for Manchester United. I'd rather we have a proper play-maker in our midfield like Gundogan or Modric. Unless we want to keep playing a winger at right back, we need to sign one. A goalkeeper will also be necessary if David De Gea leaves as you pointed out and we must sign a CB unless we want to play half a season with Blackett, McNair or both in our back 4 like the first half of the season.
Then there's the position up top. Rooney and RVP have no Welbeck to cover for them this time around and they're not as good as they were when we were in the Champions league last time around and I think it's too early for Wilson.
We definitely need a top striker as well to give a boost to our attack because we have no threat at all with the above 2.
This is the result of a team that was neglected for far too long and we never received reinforcements in areas we've been crying out for many years.
That team it's.....it's...... Beautiful
I noticed there was no ADM in there so instead of using him as a bench player we should test PSG resolve if they really want ADM they can have him so the Only change I'd make is selling ADM to PSG and getting verratti in return and placing him instead of schweinsteiger.
if bale is suddenly made available by real i think we can bid for bale and let di maria go. if not then i'm okay with giving di maria a 2nd season here.
I still think we need 6 or 7 players unfortunately. We got through this season, just, but players playing in positions that don't suit through out the season showed some depth issues when we had a few injuries.
If De Gea does go I think Valdes yesterday proved, while his shot stopping is still very good, his command and control when coming for balls is a major flaw.
LVG clearly doesn't like Rafael, so we need a right back. Valencia has done excellent there, kudos to him, but we still need depth there.
Defence needs a leader, somebody to take control. Somebody to partner Smalling as a starting partnership
Take an injury to our midfield, and we do not have a replacement. Rooney playing there has been a big issue this season. We need at least 2 players here.
Mata on the right has done ok, but a natural winger come forward is needed to maximise the potential of that position.
Then up front, the problem we have is that Falcao has gone, RVP cannot do it any more, so we need at least 1 striker, if not two
So: GK, RB, CB, CM, CM, RW, ST, ST
With Depay coming in, that would potentially be 8/9 players. The problem is, if we don't sort it, we are always going to be in this transitional stage
If De Gea does go I think Valdes yesterday proved, while his shot stopping is still very good, his command and control when coming for balls is a major flaw.
LVG clearly doesn't like Rafael, so we need a right back. Valencia has done excellent there, kudos to him, but we still need depth there.
Defence needs a leader, somebody to take control. Somebody to partner Smalling as a starting partnership
Take an injury to our midfield, and we do not have a replacement. Rooney playing there has been a big issue this season. We need at least 2 players here.
Mata on the right has done ok, but a natural winger come forward is needed to maximise the potential of that position.
Then up front, the problem we have is that Falcao has gone, RVP cannot do it any more, so we need at least 1 striker, if not two
So: GK, RB, CB, CM, CM, RW, ST, ST
With Depay coming in, that would potentially be 8/9 players. The problem is, if we don't sort it, we are always going to be in this transitional stage
That wouldn't be ideal as that's just too many players at one go and would undo all we have achieved thus far. I would cut down on the RW, ST, ST and look to fulfil those with just one player. That player could either be a versatile striker or a Reus type of winger so that we could line up as:
----Carrick-----New CM-----
------------Herrera----------
New striker-Rooney-Depay
givng is control, drive and creativity in midfield to supply our attack and shield the defence.
I get what you are saying, and in an ideal world, too many changes isn't the best thing, which is true, but we are struggling right now. RVP has lost it, so if we replace him with a RW come striker, I can only really think of Bale or Sterling, that is fine to an extent, but none are that good playing as a striker, but also, who would fit in at RW if they got injured. Mata has done ok, but really, I think we need a more direct player there. Januzaj maybe, but he really needs a full season starting.
Also, when I said bring in 2 strikers, I more meant one established one, and one who would be happy playing limited time. Maybe Wilson should be that person
Indeed, this a problem for us. Maybe if RVP is determined enough to have another season as a starter somewhere whilst he is still young enough he will take a pay cut...not all players are money grabbers and he's a multi-millionaire already.
If RVP is unwilling to take a pay cut I think our best hope is to arrange some kind of money+RVP exchange deal for a player we want. 50/60m+RVP for Pogba, for example. It might even mean paying Juve more for Pogba than without RVP in the deal which seems insane but when you factor in the money we would save on RVPs wages and the money Juve would have to spend on his wages then it makes sense.
Muller. Can play in all 4 forward positions to a high standard. Would fit in with the 'philosophy' better than Bale as well. If we gonna spend 60 mill plus on a player this window, my vote is for Muller.
What happens if we buy 8 players this window and still don't win anything next season? do we do it all again the following window? That is not the Manchester United I want to support.
I would rather we buy 5 at most signings to strengthen key areas (RB,CB & CM) we already have Memphis to strengthen our attack.
Our team is not as far off the top as many think. With a solid defence (Smalling has already improved dramatically, a composed player next to him and we will be set) and a better than average RB (anyone would be better than Valencia) would already improve the team immeasurably.
Add a few more bodies to the midfield (with a Carrick replacement being a priority) and we will challenge next year imo.
So:
RB: Carvajal (unlikely but he is the best of the bunch in Europe at the moment)
CB: Laporte (one of the best young CB's in Europe, left footed, composed and very good on the ball - would compliment Smalling fantastically)
CDM: Schweinsteiger (to alternate with Carrick, brings experience, leadership and real class. Also if the press reports are true, would be a bargain)
CM: Scheiderlin (consistently one of the best CM's in the premiership, would start for any English team, the midfielder to bring 'balance' to LVG's 'philosophy'
Attack: Memphis (young and hungry. potential to be great. good signing)
And if he becomes available for Woodwards Marquee signing: As mentioned above, Muller for me (only bring him on if we sell ADM)
I would feel very confident of that team challenging
I think we need at least 13 new players.
But honestly, a right back is a must, as is another midfielder. Memphis has already been secured and he's an important signing. All other acquisitions aren't mandatory IMO - we might get a center half but only if he represents significant improvement over Jones, Smalling and Rojo. We might get a forward but staying with the line of Rooney, van Persie and Wilson won't be a tragedy. If De Gea leaves (I think he will) we should probably get a goalkeeper. I don't think we need major overhaul at all.
But honestly, a right back is a must, as is another midfielder. Memphis has already been secured and he's an important signing. All other acquisitions aren't mandatory IMO - we might get a center half but only if he represents significant improvement over Jones, Smalling and Rojo. We might get a forward but staying with the line of Rooney, van Persie and Wilson won't be a tragedy. If De Gea leaves (I think he will) we should probably get a goalkeeper. I don't think we need major overhaul at all.
This summer will be where the rebuild really begins, we will add at least another four players, lots of departures as well. It will mean more transition but it is the only way forward, going with what we have and 1-2 new signings won't be enough and from what LVG is saying he seems to agree with that.
Last summer was basically us throwing money at the problem to get back in the top four but the price of years of no value and replacing SAF with someone who was completely under qualified and incapable of making decisions is now apparent.
Last summer was basically us throwing money at the problem to get back in the top four but the price of years of no value and replacing SAF with someone who was completely under qualified and incapable of making decisions is now apparent.
Would juve even be interested...
Dybala has been signed?
Option on morata?
Tevez has 1 year left on his contract?
Llorente still there
That said i think Rvp would score a ton of goals in Italy (when he is fit anyway)
I have no idea, just one example. Are we linked to any players from other Serie A sides? La Liga would be an option too but not sure if any of the better La Liga sides would be interested.
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If De Gea leaves, we then need a keeper.
So your list then consists of of the 5 players you name, + a keeper, so that's 6, and IF Muller becomes available, that'd make 7 players.
That in itself is a big change in personnel and not a team you want to support...
But seriously. I say 8 or 9 players. These would be them.
Cech, Clyne, Otamendi, Bastian, Gundogan, Bale, Depay, Benteke
If bale isn't available and De Gea stays, my list suddenly becomes a 6 man list.
I just really don't want to go into next season with Rooney and RVP
If De Gea leaves, we then need a keeper.
So your list then consists of of the 5 players you name, + a keeper, so that's 6, and IF Muller becomes available, that'd make 7 players.
That in itself is a big change in personnel and not a team you want to support...
But seriously. I say 8 or 9 players. These would be them.
Cech, Clyne, Otamendi, Bastian, Gundogan, Bale, Depay, Benteke
If bale isn't available and De Gea stays, my list suddenly becomes a 6 man list.
I just really don't want to go into next season with Rooney and RVP
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